General Balls wrote...
If you're playing a New Game + it's a glitch that affects a few people, I think. I was completely unable to settle the fight between Jack and Miranda, or convince Miranda to stop pouting afterwards, with my Paragon score pretty much maxed.
Normal games don't seem to have the problem, at least in my experience.
Sovereign z wrote...
I'd also like to know if this was a problem with the NG+ to. Thanks to anyone that can properly answer this question.
Kim Stolz wrote...
Those are some of the hardest persuades in the game.So unfortunately for some people they aren't going to be able to get them without being completely renegade or completely paragon. Now, trying not to spoil anything for anyone, some persuades are easier if you go paragon and some are easier if you go renegade. This was done on purpose story wise so people would have different experiances as they played. They are possible to do just very difficult.
Gill Kaiser wrote...
I suspect it's a glitch with NG+ a a result of starting the game with your class skill Paragon/Renegade multiplication effect. Either that or persuasion checks become exponentially more difficult with the player's level.
You need the class skill(combat mastery etc) maxed for the renegade one to work.bbslayer_07 wrote...
Let me clarify I have 100% renegade and only 20% paragon, now even with what the dev posted here it still doesn't make sense that even though there's an 80% difference between my paragon/renegade that I can't choose the renegade option. And even during the loyalty quest for both Tali and Legion, I told the quarians they should favor peace over war.General Balls wrote...
If you're playing a New Game + it's a glitch that affects a few people, I think. I was completely unable to settle the fight between Jack and Miranda, or convince Miranda to stop pouting afterwards, with my Paragon score pretty much maxed.
Normal games don't seem to have the problem, at least in my experience.
Can anyone confirm that this is actually a problem with NG+ ? Cause this is a NG+ for me.
ERJAK2 wrote...
You need the class skill(combat mastery etc) maxed for the renegade one to work.bbslayer_07 wrote...
Let me clarify I have 100% renegade and only 20% paragon, now even with what the dev posted here it still doesn't make sense that even though there's an 80% difference between my paragon/renegade that I can't choose the renegade option. And even during the loyalty quest for both Tali and Legion, I told the quarians they should favor peace over war.General Balls wrote...
If you're playing a New Game + it's a glitch that affects a few people, I think. I was completely unable to settle the fight between Jack and Miranda, or convince Miranda to stop pouting afterwards, with my Paragon score pretty much maxed.
Normal games don't seem to have the problem, at least in my experience.
Can anyone confirm that this is actually a problem with NG+ ? Cause this is a NG+ for me.
Can we get someone from Bioware to explain the situation to us?
Modifié par ballistic.pepper, 11 février 2010 - 06:59 .
Kim Stolz wrote...
Those are some of the hardest persuades in the game.So unfortunately for some people they aren't going to be able to get them without being completely renegade or completely paragon. Now, trying not to spoil anything for anyone, some persuades are easier if you go paragon and some are easier if you go renegade. This was done on purpose story wise so people would have different experiances as they played. They are possible to do just very difficult.
Ackillez wrote...
I'm 100% certain the Jack/Miranda situation is easier to solve with renegade than paragon. Case in point being my first playthrough, I had a higher paragon than renegade score when their fight came up, but still the paragon option was greyed out while the renegade was available. Not completely certain the Tali/Legion situation is the other way around (paragon easier than renegade) but it would make sense; personally I recall being able to use the paragon option but not the renegade though the two bars were on similiar levels (but the paragon being slightly higher).
It's also my experience that persuasion difficulty is scaled by level. I haven't tested it extensively but from replaying different missions in different order I have a feeling this is the case.
So my theory is as follows:
1. All red and blue dialogue options have a base renegade/paragon score requirement.
2. In situations where both paragon and renegade dialogue options are available, the base requirements can be different. As an example, in the dialogue where you intervene in the fight between Jack and Miranda, the base paragon requirement of the blue option is higher than the base renegade requirement of the red option.
3. These base required scores are modified by certain external factors, level being the most likely but possibly also difficulty or other things.
My theory is that the most difficult persuasion checks (like solving the Miranda/Jack fight with a paragon line) have base requirements so high that the final required score (modified by level and possibly other things) can potentially be higher than a full bar of paragon or renegade. This might be intentional or unintentional from Bioware's side; there's also a possibility that the game measures paragon/renegade scores above 'full bar' and that you might need, say, 110% for the most difficult checks (which is certainly obtainable, if possible). The reason people are having difficulties on NG+ is that you get harder requirements for being high level (most NG+ characters should be lvl 30 for the majority of the playthrough) while you don't retain your paragon/renegade scores.
FunkyFreshKilla wrote...
What was your specialization? Maybe this has been already brought up, but for example a soldier. If you choose Shock Trooper you increase your Paragon/Renegade scores by some X amount.
Ackillez wrote...
I'm 100% certain the Jack/Miranda situation is easier to solve with renegade than paragon. Case in point being my first playthrough, I had a higher paragon than renegade score when their fight came up, but still the paragon option was greyed out while the renegade was available. Not completely certain the Tali/Legion situation is the other way around (paragon easier than renegade) but it would make sense; personally I recall being able to use the paragon option but not the renegade though the two bars were on similiar levels (but the paragon being slightly higher).
It's also my experience that persuasion difficulty is scaled by level. I haven't tested it extensively but from replaying different missions in different order I have a feeling this is the case.
So my theory is as follows:
1. All red and blue dialogue options have a base renegade/paragon score requirement.
2. In situations where both paragon and renegade dialogue options are available, the base requirements can be different. As an example, in the dialogue where you intervene in the fight between Jack and Miranda, the base paragon requirement of the blue option is higher than the base renegade requirement of the red option.
3. These base required scores are modified by certain external factors, level being the most likely but possibly also difficulty or other things.
My theory is that the most difficult persuasion checks (like solving the Miranda/Jack fight with a paragon line) have base requirements so high that the final required score (modified by level and possibly other things) can potentially be higher than a full bar of paragon or renegade. This might be intentional or unintentional from Bioware's side; there's also a possibility that the game measures paragon/renegade scores above 'full bar' and that you might need, say, 110% for the most difficult checks (which is certainly obtainable, if possible). The reason people are having difficulties on NG+ is that you get harder requirements for being high level (most NG+ characters should be lvl 30 for the majority of the playthrough) while you don't retain your paragon/renegade scores.
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