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[PnXMarcin1PL]

My Way of Accomplishing suicide mission.
Everyone Loyal / Every mission finished (lev 30)
No romances (Liara romance from ME1, possible break at ME3)
All Weapon/Char/Ship upgrades.
Go through Omega 4 Relay right aftert he abduction of the SR2 crew
1st Team Commander: Garrus / Tech: Tali
1st team with me: Miranda and Thane (their Warp biotic power is useful ^^)
2nd Team Commander: Garrus / Biotic: Samara / Escort: Mordin/Jacob
2nd team with me: Miranda and Grunt
3rd battle with human reaper larva: miranda (so she leaves cerberus) and garrus (he had retaken the Citadel with me, so why couldn't he fight a Reaper? >.
After that watch nice scene's of glory and as a first response to Illusive Man select most renegade response, other responses are up to you

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 28 mai 2010 - 09:18 .

[Pacifien]

TheAwesomologist wrote...
*snip*
EDIT: Is there a list of which characters have anything extra to say during the Illusive Man's talk? I don't recall Tali or Samara saying anything at the end. Does Miranda have something to say?

The squadmates will say something if you get into a discussion with the Illusive Man about whether or not to keep the Collector base. The Illusive Man has something to say to Miranda specifically if you choose to destroy the Collector base. Squadmate opinions about the base.

[scorptatious]

Strange thing happened to me in my fifth playthrough of the suicide mission.



I had the exact same set up as I did in a previous playthrough:

All squadmates/henchmen (including both DLC characters) loyal except Samara

Grunt died leading the second fireteam

Took Tali and Garrus with me to final boss



In the previous playthrough, Samara lived, but this time she died. Is it random for a disloyal teammate to die holding the line or not? Or do you think this has something to do with the recent patch?

[kandazar]

i got it....it was just the miranda thing for the first part....finally finished the suicide with all people WOO HOO

[Fiery Phoenix]

Antikas_S wrote...

I'm curious:

What exactly happens if a player goes after the IFF before picking up a few more characters? Will the player run out of time (suggesting the player did all the loyalty quests, etc.) and lose the crew?

Any mission you do after the abduction of your crew and the installation of the IFF will be registered as time by the game itself. This means even doing a few missions (no matter what kind) will result in someone of your crew perishing.

It's best to leave the Reaper IFF mission at the very end of the game until you have completed EVERYTHING -- recruitment missions, loyalty missions, side-missions, even character-specific conversations onboard the Normandy. This way you will only have one thing before the abduction of the crew, and that's Legion's loyalty mission, after which bad things will start happening and the IFF will finally be installed. It is best to head right to Omega 4 at this exact point, if you aren't willing to sacrifice your crew.

[megatron999]

I completed ME2 on Insanity and all of my squad survived!! NYAH!!! NYAH!!!!

I also had some chats with crew and did legions loyalty mission BEFORE going after them!!!



And some of my squadmates were not loyal to me!!!

[Pacifien]

megatron999 wrote...

I completed ME2 on Insanity and all of my squad survived!! NYAH!!! NYAH!!!!
I also had some chats with crew and did legions loyalty mission BEFORE going after them!!!

And some of my squadmates were not loyal to me!!!

I'm trying to process this with your signature line that says "Legion is cool why did he die on my game!!!"

[megatron999]

oh... In my first game!!! i need to change that!!!

[Thatguy38]

I lost Miranda in the first game (didn't do the loyalty mission), and Jack (killed by seeker bugs, didn't use her to generate biotic dome. Bad mistake)., and I think Tali once (died defending the line).

I usually take Samara and either Garrus or Miranda on the final mission (depending if I want biotics, firepower or both), and usually send Thane back with the crew. I've never tried bungling it and losing as many as I can, because I just can't bring myself to botch a game that badly on purpose, I feel guilty somehow, lol!

[Thatguy38]

scorptatious wrote...

Strange thing happened to me in my fifth playthrough of the suicide mission.

I had the exact same set up as I did in a previous playthrough:
All squadmates/henchmen (including both DLC characters) loyal except Samara
Grunt died leading the second fireteam
Took Tali and Garrus with me to final boss

In the previous playthrough, Samara lived, but this time she died. Is it random for a disloyal teammate to die holding the line or not? Or do you think this has something to do with the recent patch?

I'm guessing there is some randomness involved. I have had everyone survive the suicide mission without completing all the loyalty missions, and I did save the Normandy  crew once, instead of just Dr. Chakwa, but I lost Jack on that mission (seeker bugs) and she was loyal. I think that there is a random chance you may lose somebody.

Modifié par Thatguy38, 31 mai 2010 - 04:02 .

[scorptatious]

Thatguy38 wrote...

scorptatious wrote...

Strange thing happened to me in my fifth playthrough of the suicide mission.

I had the exact same set up as I did in a previous playthrough:
All squadmates/henchmen (including both DLC characters) loyal except Samara
Grunt died leading the second fireteam
Took Tali and Garrus with me to final boss

In the previous playthrough, Samara lived, but this time she died. Is it random for a disloyal teammate to die holding the line or not? Or do you think this has something to do with the recent patch?

I'm guessing there is some randomness involved. I have had everyone survive the suicide mission without completing all the loyalty missions, and I did save the Normandy  crew once, instead of just Dr. Chakwa, but I lost Jack on that mission (seeker bugs) and she was loyal. I think that there is a random chance you may lose somebody.

Well, if you lost Jack to the seeker swarms than that means that you either chose a disloyal Samara, or someone else other than her to hold the barrier. You must have a loyal Jack or a loyal Samara to hold the barrier if you want everyone alive.

[Pacifien]

Thatguy38 wrote...
I'm guessing there is some randomness involved. I have had everyone survive the suicide mission without completing all the loyalty missions, and I did save the Normandy  crew once, instead of just Dr. Chakwa, but I lost Jack on that mission (seeker bugs) and she was loyal. I think that there is a random chance you may lose somebody.

As far as I can tell, there is no randomness involved. There is formula to getting people to live while holding the defense, even if not all of them are loyal. And loyal squadmates can still die if you pick the wrong people for certain roles. The original post of this thread is about explaining how nonrandom it truly is.

Every time someone does mention a death during their suicide mission, I've been able to figure out why. For instance, you either had an unloyal Samara hold the biotic shield or you had Miranda, Jacob, or Thane try it.

Modifié par Pacifien, 31 mai 2010 - 09:33 .

[sporeian]

My walkthrough



-Infiltration-

Vents: Tali

Leader: Miranda

Squad: Legion and Samara



-Long Walk-

Biotics: Samara

Leader: Miranda

Escort: Grunt

Squad: Legion and Tali



-Final-

Squad: Miranda and Tali



Everbody lived on every playthrough so far.

[Thatguy38]

Pacifien wrote...

Thatguy38 wrote...
I'm guessing there is some randomness involved. I have had everyone survive the suicide mission without completing all the loyalty missions, and I did save the Normandy  crew once, instead of just Dr. Chakwa, but I lost Jack on that mission (seeker bugs) and she was loyal. I think that there is a random chance you may lose somebody.

As far as I can tell, there is no randomness involved. There is formula to getting people to live while holding the defense, even if not all of them are loyal. And loyal squadmates can still die if you pick the wrong people for certain roles. The original post of this thread is about explaining how nonrandom it truly is.

Every time someone does mention a death during their suicide mission, I've been able to figure out why. For instance, you either had an unloyal Samara hold the biotic shield or you had Miranda, Jacob, or Thane try it.

Okay, that's why, I used Miranda. Everyone was loyal, but I thought I would try something different. I didn't have Samara, because I think that is also the game that I saved Morinth (and still ended up with max paragon, lol!).

[Pacifien]

Oh yeah, if you have Morinth, she can successfully hold the biotic barrier, too.

[MrDizazta]

I always sent Mordin back to the ship. Never had anyone die in the final mission on me.

[Roshi]

Hold the Line:
Grunt, Garrus, and Zaeed (Leave these squadmates behind during the boss
fight, and don't give them escort duty)[/list]Funny, I always use one of these three for the escort and everyone lives.

[Pacifien]

You need at least two for everyone to survive, which means one can either do escort duty or come with you to the final fight.

If only one is helping hold the line and Mordin is present, he dies. If you sent Mordin as escort or took him with you to the final fight, then Tali dies.

[Evil_Weasel]

I have never had anyone die in the final mission/boss fight. I usually take Mordin and Garrus to fight the boss.



My choices normaly are;



Tali

Jacob

Garrus

Samara



With Thane taking the crew back to the ship just like a previous poster said he can avoid trouble, or take out single enemy threats easy.



and Garrus and Mordin help fight the boss.



But I have made diffrent crew escort and final boss helper choices and no one has died.



No one dies, its all good, and that leaves Zaeed, Grunt, Samara, Tali, Jacob, Miranda, Jack, and Legion to wail all over anything that comes looking for trouble.

[ShamieGTX]

IndomitusRex wrote...

Weird, I've always taken Garrus and Grunt to the final fight, two of the best defenders, and the only time I've lost someone was when I didn't send Mordin to escort the crew back.

Garrus is a Defender Type to Hold The Line and So is Miranda
in Garrus Case he lead a 8 man team on Omega (an Alusion to you), SO he is used to operating teams, and Miranda once you get her the class Upgrade, Cerberus Tactician, it clearly states that she becomes adept at coordinating fire, they both work well leading the Second Fire Team and Holding The Line....
I always use Kasumi or Legion for the vent (Thane in one ocassion, he ate a rocket on the second try, dont know why) and Garrus or Mirando (ALWAYS) as 2nd Team's Leader

Most recently and Interesting 
I sent Zaeed back with the crew, and Took Garrus And Miranda to Fight the Reaper, Left Jack to Lead the team, everyone survived and everyone was loyal, i guess it comes down to the number of guns you leave (samara, Jacob,Grunt,Legion & Jack are heavily armed, while Thane,Kasumi, are lightly armed)

Modifié par ShamieGTX, 05 juin 2010 - 06:43 .

[Relix28]

On my last playthrough I sent Kasumi to the shafts (tech expert) and she did just fine. She hacked those doors and everyone survived at the end of that cutscene (had Garrus as the Fire Team leader). So Kasumi (loyal offcourse) is another character suitable for the tech expert task.

Modifié par Relix28, 06 juin 2010 - 12:27 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Roshi wrote...

Hold the Line:
Grunt, Garrus, and Zaeed (Leave these squadmates behind during the boss
fight, and don't give them escort duty)[/list]Funny, I always use one of these three for the escort and everyone lives.

No need to have all three. Any two of them will suffice.

[Pacifien]

ShamieGTX wrote...
*snip*
I always use Kasumi or Legion for the vent (Thane in one ocassion, he ate a rocket on the second try, dont know why) and Garrus or Mirando (ALWAYS) as 2nd Team's Leader

Most recently and Interesting 
I sent Zaeed back with the crew, and Took Garrus And Miranda to Fight the Reaper, Left Jack to Lead the team, everyone survived and everyone was loyal, i guess it comes down to the number of guns you leave (samara, Jacob,Grunt,Legion & Jack are heavily armed, while Thane,Kasumi, are lightly armed)

Thane should have eaten a rocket every time you use him. Only a loyal Kasumi, Legion, or Tali are able to successfully do the vents, and only if you also use a loyal Garrus, Jacob, or Miranda as your fire team leader.

Interesting that you managed to bring everyone back alive without Zaeed or Garrus holding the line. Mordin or Tali should have died. It doesn't really have anything to do with how heavily armed the squad is either - the order of deaths goes Mordin -> Tali -> Kasumi -> Jack -> Miranda -> Jacob -> Garrus -> Samara/Morinth -> Legion -> Thane -> Zaeed -> Grunt. And even though Garrus will die before Samara/Morinth, Legion, or Thane, his defensive score is actually supposed to be higher.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Pacifien wrote...

ShamieGTX wrote...
*snip*
I always use Kasumi or Legion for the vent (Thane in one ocassion, he ate a rocket on the second try, dont know why) and Garrus or Mirando (ALWAYS) as 2nd Team's Leader

Most recently and Interesting 
I sent Zaeed back with the crew, and Took Garrus And Miranda to Fight the Reaper, Left Jack to Lead the team, everyone survived and everyone was loyal, i guess it comes down to the number of guns you leave (samara, Jacob,Grunt,Legion & Jack are heavily armed, while Thane,Kasumi, are lightly armed)

Thane should have eaten a rocket every time you use him. Only a loyal Kasumi, Legion, or Tali are able to successfully do the vents, and only if you also use a loyal Garrus, Jacob, or Miranda as your fire team leader.

Interesting that you managed to bring everyone back alive without Zaeed or Garrus holding the line. Mordin or Tali should have died. It doesn't really have anything to do with how heavily armed the squad is either - the order of deaths goes Mordin -> Tali -> Kasumi -> Jack -> Miranda -> Jacob -> Garrus -> Samara/Morinth -> Legion -> Thane -> Zaeed -> Grunt. And even though Garrus will die before Samara/Morinth, Legion, or Thane, his defensive score is actually supposed to be higher.

It appears that Legion's defensive score is higher than Garrus' after all. Ecael made a post saying the same recently, but for the life of me I cannot remember where.

[Pacifien]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
It appears that Legion's defensive score is higher than Garrus' after all. Ecael made a post saying the same recently, but for the life of me I cannot remember where.

I think the wiki is wrong based on this thread where someone was going for only Garrus, Legion, and Tali as survivors.

Loyal Garrus + Unloyal Miranda meant Miranda survived holding the line.
Loyal Legion + Unloyal Miranda meant Miranda died holding the line.

So obviously the defense score combination was higher in the first scenario than it was in the second.

I think part of the confusion is the fact that Garrus dies before Legion. Order of deaths does not align with order of defense scores. Think it was confirmed that Garrus, Grunt, and Zaeed actually all had the same defense score as well, but I'll likely have no luck finding where that was mentioned in these forums.