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[MarkyBoy147]

Im still searching for the perfect ending im happy with so wanted to know something. If I harden Alistair up and kill Loghain myself, will I still be able to persuade him and Anora to marry, and if so which produces the best ending. Alistair and Anora seemed to rule pretty well together without hardening him, is there a marked improvement if i do?

[Nonvita]

He will study while he's King to learn to become a better leader. I'd say it makes him a better ruler, and the kingdom does just fine under both of them.

[Freckles04]

Alistair will study governing if you harden him. Really, if you're going to make him King, you should harden him. He'll actually WANT to be King, that way, and he does an even better job of it.

[MarkyBoy147]

so its a good team if hes hardened or not?

[Freckles04]

Better if he's hardened. He's a stronger King.

[MarkyBoy147]

and there is no problem getting them to marry if hes hardened?

[nubbers666]

besides who would want a wimp cry baby for a king

[Thor Rand Al]

In order to have Alistair more exceptable to the throne n especially marrying Anora is by hardening him. Lol but I see by doing that your basically giving Alistair the death sentence, he really doesn't want to be King unless hardened, than he's still reluctant n on top of it making him marry Anora, do you hate him or something lol. J/K, I found the best scenerio for Alistair if you do harden him n make him king is let him rule alone. But then I very very much dislike Anora so I'm being unfair here. Do what you thinks right, he's really not happy either way but if you harden him he's more acceptable to it.

Edit: Spelling error

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 10 février 2010 - 08:54 .

[Freckles04]

MarkyBoy147 wrote...

and there is no problem getting them to marry if hes hardened?

You need to arrange it before the Landsmeet. Talk to Anora, suggest it, talk to her about it, then go talk to Alistair and convince him it's a good idea. Then, at the Landsmeet, you MUST NOT let Alistair execute Loghain. Anora will not marry her father's murderer. When Eamon asks you to moderate the decision of who will rule, you should have a dialogue that states "I believe Alistair and Anora have agreed to rule jointly" (or something similar to that).

Have fun!

[Sandtigress]

No, its pretty easy to get them to marry when he's hardened. Helps to set it up pre-Landsmeet. I think he's a much better ruler, and happier at ruling, when he's hardened.



If he is, he rules alongside, studies statescraft, but is still a beloved king.



If he isn't, (I've only personally gotten the rules alone epilogue card) he often escapes from the castle to visit the people because he hates governing. With Anora, I believe he becomes the popular face of the ruling couple, while she governs. In any case, he's not really happy as king.

[MarkyBoy147]

i mean i hate anora too but jsut cos shes a bit of a **** i dont think she deserved to be locked in the tower forever, plus she is genuinely a good ruler. Think im gonna harden him up and make them marry, whiuch means i'll have to die cos i dont want Morrigan to get her way with my demon baby.

[MarkyBoy147]

oh btw thanks for all the help, i realised in my previous playthroughs that you really have to have a plan set out before you start

[Freckles04]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

[snip]
Do what you thinks right, he's really not happy either way but if you harden him he's more acceptable to it.

Edit: Spelling error

Actually, if you harden him, he WANTS to be king. He'll tell you so quite vehemently at the Landsmeet, in fact.

"Make me King! Anora isn't an option."

(Not sure if he still says that if they've agreed to marry. I don't normally marry them off.)

[SurelyForth]

(Not sure if he still says that if they've agreed to marry. I don't normally marry them off.)

He sure does!

Hardened Alistair and Anora are a very effective pair of rulers, but I can't do that to Alistair anymore. He gets to find his own spouse.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 10 février 2010 - 08:59 .

[MarkyBoy147]

well looks like the ending i'll be happiest with is harden alistair and let him rule with anora. and me dying killing the archdemon, or taking part in the ritual and staying to rebuild the wardens.

[Thor Rand Al]

Freckles04 wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

[snip]
Do what you thinks right, he's really not happy either way but if you harden him he's more acceptable to it.

Edit: Spelling error

Actually, if you harden him, he WANTS to be king. He'll tell you so quite vehemently at the Landsmeet, in fact.

"Make me King! Anora isn't an option."

(Not sure if he still says that if they've agreed to marry. I don't normally marry them off.)

He may not come right out and say he hates Anora but basically that's what he's saying and that he doesn't trust her, or maybe not so much hate as there is major distrust. N with that I don't blame him lol.  (keep my prejudice opinions to myself) lol sorry.
Lol N according to a conversation between him n Shale he's still not ok with becoming king when he tells you to make him king...

Shale: So it has become king after all, yes?

Alistair: It looks that way.

Shale: Is this not a good thing? This is a position of importance, no? Did it not want to be king?

Alistair: Not really, no. We don't always get what we want, however, do we?


Alistair just can't make up his mind  lol

[SurelyForth]

He also brags about being made king to Morrigan, hardened or not. Maybe he just wants Shale to give him a pity squish.

[Sandtigress]

I suspect its more like Alistair never wanted to become king - he would rather be able to be free, make his own decisions, and live his own life. Unhardened Alistair never really gets past this point and accepts the kingdom with resentment. Hardened Alistair is more willing to take on this role for the good of his kingdom, knowing that he can do it well, though a part of him still wishes for the freedom that not being king would give him. Were Cailan still alive, Alistair would hand over the kingdom gratefully. But given the choice between Anora as queen or himself as King, he knows it is in Ferelden's best interest for him to take the throne, and so he does so willingly, though not without regrets.



So he can still say "yes, I want the throne" while also saying "I never really wanted it in the first place, but we don't always get what we want." His conversation with Morrigan is pretty funny though.

[Thor Rand Al]

SurelyForth wrote...

He also brags about being made king to Morrigan, hardened or not. Maybe he just wants Shale to give him a pity squish.

Lmao that could be too

Edit: By the time I'm done with the landsmeet I leave Morrigan at camp cause I know I'm coming up to that awful choice so I try n avoid her as much as possible by then, but I'll have to try it with her in the group lol

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 10 février 2010 - 09:22 .

[equesta]

Yes, definitely harden Alistair, as he becomes quite whiny during the landsmeet if you don't.

My "fairytale" ending is playing as a human female noble, locking up Anora (sure she's hot, but she'll get annoying), and marrying Alistair to become queen of Ferelden.

And you can also keep Leliana on the side as well, if you're into that...

Happy days.

Modifié par equesta, 10 février 2010 - 09:24 .

[Sandtigress]

The Morrigan teasing thing is a banter, so you just need her in your party post-Landsmeet and run through a few banter spots to try and activate it.

[Addai]

Freckles04 wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

[snip]
Do what you thinks right, he's really not happy either way but if you harden him he's more acceptable to it.

Edit: Spelling error

Actually, if you harden him, he WANTS to be king. He'll tell you so quite vehemently at the Landsmeet, in fact.

"Make me King! Anora isn't an option."

(Not sure if he still says that if they've agreed to marry. I don't normally marry them off.)

Even if you've set it up beforehand, you'll stil have to "remind" them of it at the Landsmeet.  They start to spat, so the Warden has to put them right for them to go through with it.  Honestly, what would Ferelden do without you. 

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

I suspect its more like Alistair never wanted to become king - he would rather be able to be free, make his own decisions, and live his own life. Unhardened Alistair never really gets past this point and accepts the kingdom with resentment. Hardened Alistair is more willing to take on this role for the good of his kingdom, knowing that he can do it well, though a part of him still wishes for the freedom that not being king would give him. Were Cailan still alive, Alistair would hand over the kingdom gratefully. But given the choice between Anora as queen or himself as King, he knows it is in Ferelden's best interest for him to take the throne, and so he does so willingly, though not without regrets.

So he can still say "yes, I want the throne" while also saying "I never really wanted it in the first place, but we don't always get what we want." His conversation with Morrigan is pretty funny though.

Hardened Alistair will, however, at several points say that he wants to be king and that he is looking forward to it.  My HNF just had this conversation last night.  She told him she was looking forward to being queen and he said "And I'm looking forward to being king.  I would never have thought that before."  It's not just about duty at that point.

Modifié par Addai67, 10 février 2010 - 09:31 .

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

I suspect its more like Alistair never wanted to become king - he would rather be able to be free, make his own decisions, and live his own life. Unhardened Alistair never really gets past this point and accepts the kingdom with resentment. Hardened Alistair is more willing to take on this role for the good of his kingdom, knowing that he can do it well, though a part of him still wishes for the freedom that not being king would give him. Were Cailan still alive, Alistair would hand over the kingdom gratefully. But given the choice between Anora as queen or himself as King, he knows it is in Ferelden's best interest for him to take the throne, and so he does so willingly, though not without regrets.

So he can still say "yes, I want the throne" while also saying "I never really wanted it in the first place, but we don't always get what we want." His conversation with Morrigan is pretty funny though.

Hardened Alistair will, however, at several points say that he wants to be king and that he is looking forward to it.  My HNF just had this conversation last night.  She told him she was looking forward to being queen and he said "And I'm looking forward to being king.  I would never have thought that before."  It's not just about duty at that point.

Which I'm glad for.  The guy's had so little freedom in his life, its good that he looks forward to doing something that was forced on him.  lol Not having to marry Anora probably helps.  A lot.  

[Thor Rand Al]

Addai67 wrote...
Hardened Alistair will, however, at several points say that he wants to be king and that he is looking forward to it.  My HNF just had this conversation last night.  She told him she was looking forward to being queen and he said "And I'm looking forward to being king.  I would never have thought that before."  It's not just about duty at that point.

Hey when did you get that lol... Hmm deeper investigating  into Alistair now lmao

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 10 février 2010 - 09:37 .