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[HAGA NAGA]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I firmly believe romance subplots are one of the top reasons Bioware games are so popular.  I'm serious.  I think that.  Would I keep playing them if they had no LIs?  Sure.  Would I enjoy them way less?  Yep.  It's like a major Bioware identifier for me.  Along with all the bones they (usually) throw to female players.  Great characters are the other thing they do well that I love so much.  But romance is just an extension of great character interaction.  Character interaction is THE reason I love Bioware games so much.   The reason people get so worked up over Bioware characters and relationships in Bioware games is because they are brilliant.  That's also why so many want a f/f relationship.  They know Bioware can do it epic justice.

QFT.

by the way, our exchange in the other thread was the reason i posted this thread. Thanks for the idea, Ragabul the Ontarah!

[Druss99]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

I dont mean to be insulting or anything im just curious. But am I the only one not playing ME purely for love interests? It seems to be the number one topic on here but is such a small almost insignificant part of the game. Again im not trying to be insulting its just such a huge game and such a small thing to get hung up over.

I firmly believe romance subplots are one of the top reasons Bioware games are so popular.  I'm serious.  I think that.  Would I keep playing them if they had no LIs?  Sure.  Would I enjoy them way less?  Yep.  It's like a major Bioware identifier for me.  Along with all the bones they (usually) throw to female players.  Great characters are the other thing they do well that I love so much.  But romance is just an extension of great character interaction.  Character interaction is THE reason I love Bioware games so much.   The reason people get so worked up over Bioware characters and relationships in Bioware games is because they are brilliant.  That's also why so many want a f/f relationship.  They know Bioware can do it epic justice.

Hhmmm, fair enough.

Ive always found their characters excellent, most of the best characters in gaming have come from bioware games. I play for the story, atmosphere and epic adventures. I've always considered the love interest such a small thing in most of the games, it rarely effects the main narrative in a significant way. I do enjoy it but wouldnt hugely miss it if it wasnt there. But I see your point and think I've highjacked the purpose of this thread enough so I'll shut up now .

[Saurel]

Adon 9 wrote...


It's just so disingenuous as to be laughable, and I think Casey knows damned well that it's a load of bull.  I also mention again -- would a heterosexual woman or homosexual man find an asari attractive?  And if they truly intended the asari to be androgynous, they could have actually made them APPEAR androgynous.

They should look like Hanar

[Splinter Cell 108]

Druss99 wrote...

I dont mean to be insulting or anything im just curious. But am I the only one not playing ME purely for love interests? It seems to be the number one topic on here but is such a small almost insignificant part of the game. Again im not trying to be insulting its just such a huge game and such a small thing to get hung up over.

Nope you're not alone. I do agree that some people are obsessed with that though, look at the flame fest in which the fans call Stanley Woo condescending because they didn't get any nudity. Romance may be a big topic here but not everyone is obsessed about it at least not enough to start demanding nudity. I like the Romances but not because of the nudity, I like them because of the characters and I like them even more in ME2 since the game is about the characters. No offense to any male players, I'm a male player too but it seems those are the players that seem to be asking for that more than anyone else. I've seen plenty of threads asking for F/F romances and most of those demands only seem to be asked because they want to see two females going at it.

[Gemini1179]

As a guy who plays a FemShep and likes to chase girls, I can see your point. I am however of the opinion that if you cater to one, you cater to all. This has all been discussed to death, however, and the "Company" seems to have drawn their line in the sand and very little we the community say or do will likely change that.



Is is disappointing? Yes, but nothing less than what I've come to expect from "North America": Violence and gore= yes, open sexual exploration = PERVERTS!!!!



I'm even more disappointed because as a Canadian, and with BioWare being Canadian, I always held them to a higher standard in terms of culture.

[Koolness]

While I do think there should have been a lesbian or gay character for your demographic to enjoy, I WOULD NOT like them to enforce any sexuality on the existing characters. Liara was a lesbian option because her character was truely lesbian, forcing it on an existng character would cheapen the character and the game itself.





So while I agree that you were denied and that bioware should've made a character for you, I disagree it should be any of the existing characters.

[NoUserNameHere]

Hey, you get Morith! For all of five seconds, but its an option!



You do kiss Liara. That'll be back in force for ME3.

[Lord Atlia]

Koolness wrote...

While I do think there should have been a lesbian or gay character for your demographic to enjoy, I WOULD NOT like them to enforce any sexuality on the existing characters. Liara was a lesbian option because her character was truely lesbian, forcing it on an existng character would cheapen the character and the game itself.


So while I agree that you were denied and that bioware should've made a character for you, I disagree it should be any of the existing characters.

+1 support

[Druss99]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

I dont mean to be insulting or anything im just curious. But am I the only one not playing ME purely for love interests? It seems to be the number one topic on here but is such a small almost insignificant part of the game. Again im not trying to be insulting its just such a huge game and such a small thing to get hung up over.

Nope you're not alone. I do agree that some people are obsessed with that though, look at the flame fest in which the fans call Stanley Woo condescending because they didn't get any nudity. Romance may be a big topic here but not everyone is obsessed about it at least not enough to start demanding nudity. I like the Romances but not because of the nudity, I like them because of the characters and I like them even more in ME2 since the game is about the characters. No offense to any male players, I'm a male player too but it seems those are the players that seem to be asking for that more than anyone else. I've seen plenty of threads asking for F/F romances and most of those demands only seem to be asked because they want to see two females going at it.

Not to get off topic again but yeah I saw that thread and the one that started it, it was beyond nuts. Not only that it happened but Stanley Woo was 100% correct in what he said and they still took him to task over it, cant believe he even bothered trying to straighten it all out.

Back on topic, given Biowares recent comments to ign about gay romances I really cant see it happening. At the end of the day each Shepard might be our own canon but as long as he is a voiced and realised character he/she is their IP and they dont see being gay as something they will be making available. Going as far as retconning the f/f romance in ME1 is bad sign.

[-Area51-Silent]

Sex is the definition of the interactions between male and female correct? There cannot be a same sex relationship between an Asari and any race with two distinct genders. The reason for the Asari to have a more female look to them is because the female of any species is responsible for birthing of a child. So for an omnisex race, it wouldnt make sense to make them all male in anatomy would it?

[Collider]

Bioware isn't trying to make a political statement. They aren't the government discriminating against you. Bioware does not owe the player any romance. Just be glad they're one of the very few who have lesbian relations in the first place.

[Nastrod]

The only reason you can do f/f is with Liara is because I think she will be a huge factor in ME3. Notice she is the only team member in both games that can not die. So they wanted it so a player can be male or female and still have a LI with her since she will be a major player.



BW is not trying to push some gay agenda here.

[Collider]

OP is just another male player who makes lesbian femsheps. Not surprising. There's still also no M/M options whatsoever.

And the Liara romance will continue into ME3.

[DaeJi]

It's not just lesbian or female bi-sexual Shepards that were denied, it was any Shepard who wanted to romance someone of the same gender. And hell, a lesbian or female bi-sexual Shepard is still possible with Liara (if bring in a game from Mass Effect), Kelly (as un-fulfilling as that is), and Morinth (...yeah). The only option closed off to fans period is a gay Shepard. Unless you want to roleplay one and not get anything for it.

[Trishann]

Never has an asari side-boob cut-scene caused so much angst. It was like the side-boob of epic side-boobs (queue piano music and pink swirling lights).
Anyway, I wish people would stop harping on Bioware on this topic. The scene where a femshep is standing in her cabin looking at Liara's picture was so romantically tragic, it was art.
It is obvious there is a design/writing team up difference between Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect, but it is the same company, with the same parent company/distributor. And DAO had mf, mm, ff and don't get me started at some of the options in The Pearl.
But no blue side-boob. That's the problem with ME2. Admit it. Someone start a blue side-boob romance ME3 thread. Take your pick, left or right.

Modifié par Trishann, 10 février 2010 - 10:26 .

[NICKjnp]

Kelly is a romance option (for both genders).

[Movodor]

I thought that scene was definately appropriate, and I thought bioware handled the reunions with the ME1 LI's well.

Just that the writing itself was lacking. could've been better.

[HAGA NAGA]

Trishann wrote...

Someone start a blue side-boob romance ME3 thread. Take your pick, left or right.

lol. do it!

[tsd16]

For those of you that are saying Fox news/EA "got to them" as far as same sex relationships are concerned....how exactly do you explain dragon age? It came out after ME1 and not long before ME2, yet featured same sex romances. Sure I buy that making the scenes less "revealing" may have had to do with the bad press, but I believe the same sex relationships not existing had nothing to do with it, otherwise we wouldnt have seen them in dragon age. So it was a concious decision on biowares part that shep simply doesnt swing that way, unless its an asari apparently.

[-Area51-Silent]

Guys, really, stop pushing the agenda. This isnt a political statement, the idea behind the game is you are playing a pre-determined story that gives you SOME creative input into how it will play out. Complaining about this is nothing short of complaining to the author of your favorite book that the main character cannot be gay.

I don't personally have a problem with same-sex relationships, you do what makes you happy and thats life. I do have a problem when the same people who complain that society is pushing their ideals on to them, starts pushing theirs onto the development team of Mass Effect.

This game is a story, enjoy the story and the influences you are given to make it play it out in different ways. If out of the two recent released games, they didnt want THIS ONE to not have same sex relationships, be ok with that, the rest of us (for the most part) were ok with DA:O having them, and even defended the Dev's creative rights to put them in.

Modifié par -Area51-Silent, 10 février 2010 - 10:29 .

[DaeJi]

Trishann wrote...

Never has an asari side-boob cut-scene caused so much angst. It was like the side-boob of epic side-boobs (queue piano music and pink swirling lights).

Anyway, I wish people would stop harping on Bioware on this topic. The scene where a femshep is standing in her cabin looking at Liara's picture was so romantically tragic, it was art.

It is obvious there is a design/writing team up difference between Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect, but it is the same company, with the same parent company/distributor. And DAO had mf, mm, ff and don't get me started at some of the options in The Pearl.

But no blue side-boob. That's the problem with ME2. Admit it. Someone start a blue side-boob romance ME3 thread. Take your pick, left or right.

I'm more of a "A" man myself.

Anyway, no side boob in not the problem here. It's a problem in other topics, sure, but not here. The issue is that there is very little content for F/F Shepards and no content for M/M Shepards.

[HAGA NAGA]

tsd16 wrote...
So it was a concious decision on biowares part that shep simply doesnt swing that way, unless its an asari apparently.

uh. yes she can swing that way = Kelly.  just not in a very complete romance way in terms of content, dialgue. did you not know that?

[Goat_Shepard]

Waaah. It's a great game, enjoy it for what it is. I don't like the fact that my MaleShep can't bend Garrus or Thane over the main battery. Asari are monogendered (I guess), and can make babies with other females (making the Asari the father). Either way, the point being it isn't lesbianism between FemShep and Liara. Since Kelly is supposedly not a real LI, that means there haven't been any bisexual options for FemShep's the entire series.



Someone correct me if I'm wrong. My opinion is that for Christ's sake enjoy the game as it is (which is one of the best if not THE best games I've ever played).

[DaeJi]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

Guys, really, stop pushing the agenda. This isnt a political statement, the idea behind the game is you are playing a pre-determined story that gives you SOME creative input into how it will play out. Complaining about this is nothing short of complaining to the author of your favorite book that the main character cannot be gay.

I don't personally have a problem with same-sex relationships, you do what makes you happy and thats life. I do have a problem when the same people who complain that society is pushing their ideals on to them, starts pushing theirs onto the development team of Mass Effect.

This game is a story, enjoy the story and the influences you are given to make it play it out in different ways. If out of the two recent released games, they didnt want THIS ONE to not have same sex relationships, be ok with that, the rest of us (for the most part) were ok with DA:O having them, and even defended the Dev's creative rights to put them in.

For most gamers, the same sex issue has nothing to do with a  social agenda or a political statement. It's about enjoying the game and having fun. Whether you want to believe it or not (and I'm not aiming this at you), if they had same sex romances in the game, the game would be more fun for a lot of gamers. Fun is what it all boils down too.

Let me state this as well: if the romances were not such a fun part of the game, no on would complain.