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[Nastrod]

You people just need to play the Sims so then you can have all the gay sex you want. You can have gay sex, gay marriges, gay lives together. BW made a great game so just enjoy it.

Modifié par Nastrod, 10 février 2010 - 10:33 .

[BlaiseVoltaire]

Gemini1179 wrote...



I'm even more disappointed because as a Canadian, and with BioWare being Canadian, I always held them to a higher standard in terms of culture.

This...this made me laugh, for some reason. No offense

[NICKjnp]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Waaah. It's a great game, enjoy it for what it is. I don't like the fact that my MaleShep can't bend Garrus or Thane over the main battery. Asari are monogendered (I guess), and can make babies with other females (making the Asari the father). Either way, the point being it isn't lesbianism between FemShep and Liara. Since Kelly is supposedly not a real LI, that means there haven't been any bisexual options for FemShep's the entire series.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. My opinion is that for Christ's sake enjoy the game as it is (which is one of the best if not THE best games I've ever played).

Do you have a link to the Kelly statement?  If you save her from the Collectors base (and invited her to your cabin for dinner before the abduction... and didn't romance anyone else) she basically becomes your LI.  Play the game.

[HAGA NAGA]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Since Kelly is supposedly not a real LI, that means there haven't been any bisexual options for FemShep's the entire series.

 

yeah. because when platonic girlfriends hang out they usually express their platonic friendship by dressing up like strippers and cuddle, seductively dance in front of each other and sit on one another's lap.

and for the record my Femshep is a lesbian, not bisexual.

[HAGA NAGA]

Nastrod wrote...

You people just need to play the Sims so then you can have all the gay sex you want. You can have gay sex, gay marriges, gay lives together. BW made a great game so just enjoy it.

wow.

[DaeJi]

Nastrod wrote...

You people just need to play the Sims so then you can have all the gay sex you want. You can have gay sex, gay marriges, gay lives together. BW made a great game so just enjoy it.

It is possible to enjoy a game and still notice the faults in it. Mass Effect 2 is far and away from a perfect game and has a host of issues, and not just limited to the romance. Mindlessly overlooking them does no one any favors.

[Nastrod]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Nastrod wrote...

You people just need to play the Sims so then you can have all the gay sex you want. You can have gay sex, gay marriges, gay lives together. BW made a great game so just enjoy it.

wow.

I am sorry but I just do not understand all the people complainign about this so much about  I can not have sex with this person or sex with that person or the ones freaking out about no nudity. For a mature game there seems to be way to many horny immature ones.

There are many options for LIs and it is not a sex game but a game on relationships.

Modifié par Nastrod, 10 février 2010 - 10:40 .

[-Area51-Silent]

My interpretation is, first of all, ASARI ARE OMNISEX. that means there are NO GENDERS in the Asari race. Before I get back lash (they look like women though), I know they look like women, the fact is that they do not reproduce/procreate in a way that physically would define them in such a way. The sense in the fact that they are female in appearance makes sense in that females of most species are the ones responsible for birthing a child.



Kelly isnt really a love interest at all, otherwise you would lose your ME1 LI and the picture would be face down. There is no romance scene and the coversations with her are brief at best! Yes, you can invite her up to your quarters AFTER the game is over, thus truly it's not really part of the story so much as an amusing thing you can do post game conclusion.



The game simply is the way it is, as I stated before, I don't believe in pushing my own social ideals on to the homosexual community, in the same token I feel that the homosexual community should not push their ideals onto others either. The whole "do to others what you want other to do to you" thing sort of kicks into effect.

[Goat_Shepard]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Since Kelly is supposedly not a real LI, that means there haven't been any bisexual options for FemShep's the entire series.

 

yeah. because when platonic girlfriends hang out they usually express their platonic friendship by dressing up like strippers and cuddle, seductively dance in front of each other and sit on one another's lap.

and for the record my Femshep is a lesbian, not bisexual.

I thought the argument against that was that she was limited in dialogue "courting" that the other LI's have, AND that she has no love scene at the end. So she's basically that: a stripper? 

Sounds good enough for me, but it's not, is it? You need the penultimate love scene at the end.

[Nozybidaj]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Casey is trying to retcon the F/F relationship in ME1 as well.

He seems to think the asari are asexual now, which is funny.

Hehe, yeah it is kinda funny, and lame at the same time.  Wonder how much of a driving factor this was in removing the ME1 LI's from ME2?  Wonder what this will mean for their role in ME3?

[Abirn]

Nastrod wrote...

The only reason you can do f/f is with Liara is because I think she will be a huge factor in ME3. Notice she is the only team member in both games that can not die. So they wanted it so a player can be male or female and still have a LI with her since she will be a major player.

BW is not trying to push some gay agenda here.

I'm not offended that they don't have gay content or "aren't pushing gay agenda"

I'm offended that they caved in to conservatives.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

Kelly isnt really a love interest at all, otherwise you would lose your ME1 LI and the picture would be face down. There is no romance scene and the coversations with her are brief at best! Yes, you can invite her up to your quarters AFTER the game is over, thus truly it's not really part of the story so much as an amusing thing you can do post game conclusion.

Kelly's convos are shorter, yes, but there are more of them. Squaddies get like 3-4 bigger convos, Kelly gets like a dozen shorter ones. The picture doesn't get turned over because Kelly's relationship can range from flirty to friendly to professional, and as Dusty says, it's an easter egg.

Otherwise you have two people flirting consistently, bonding, going on at least one date, then sharing physical affection. It's not too hard to see that as what it is: a sexual relationship.

[HAGA NAGA]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

My interpretation is, first of all, ASARI ARE OMNISEX. that means there are NO GENDERS in the Asari race. Before I get back lash (they look like women though), I know they look like women, the fact is that they do not reproduce/procreate in a way that physically would define them in such a way. The sense in the fact that they are female in appearance makes sense in that females of most species are the ones responsible for birthing a child.

Kelly isnt really a love interest at all, otherwise you would lose your ME1 LI and the picture would be face down. There is no romance scene and the coversations with her are brief at best! Yes, you can invite her up to your quarters AFTER the game is over, thus truly it's not really part of the story so much as an amusing thing you can do post game conclusion.

The game simply is the way it is, as I stated before, I don't believe in pushing my own social ideals on to the homosexual community, in the same token I feel that the homosexual community should not push their ideals onto others either. The whole "do to others what you want other to do to you" thing sort of kicks into effect.

But what are you saying by putting your "interpretations" above? That there is no Lesbian Shepard in Mass Effect as designed by Bioware?

[DaeJi]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

My interpretation is, first of all, ASARI ARE OMNISEX. that means there are NO GENDERS in the Asari race. Before I get back lash (they look like women though), I know they look like women, the fact is that they do not reproduce/procreate in a way that physically would define them in such a way. The sense in the fact that they are female in appearance makes sense in that females of most species are the ones responsible for birthing a child.

Since Asari have eggs and not sperm, and that being the biological marker for females, they are female.

The game simply is the way it is, as I stated before, I don't believe in pushing my own social ideals on to the homosexual community, in the same token I feel that the homosexual community should not push their ideals onto others either. The whole "do to others what you want other to do to you" thing sort of kicks into effect.

No one who wants same sex romances (a lot of whom are straight) wants to take anything away from the straight romances. We just want what they got: options.

Modifié par DaeJi, 10 février 2010 - 10:48 .

[Trishann]

DaeJi wrote...

I'm more of a "A" man myself.

Anyway, no side boob in not the problem here. It's a problem in other topics, sure, but not here. The issue is that there is very little content for F/F Shepards and no content for M/M Shepards.

Ah, ah, ah, I think there is actually more FF interaction in ME2 than ME1. It's just that none of it consummated.

The Justicar seems on the verge of biotically ripping of your clothes, but stops herself.

The femshep almost romantic conversation with Tali was halarious. Tali gets all flustered and turns away, and it's different for a femshep than a maleshep. It's as if Tali finds you strangely attractive but doesn't understand her feelings because you're a human female. Unlike the maleshep option, where it's somewhat obvious she wants you to take her virginity.

Miranda, well, she's not into girls. *sob*

Jack, on the other hand, is a hard read. She clearly articulates she swings both ways, but seems to have some type of internal decision and declares she doesn't want to join your girl club. But the interaction is there. My femshep flat out tells Jack "you facinate me." Unfortunately, you aren't fascinating for Jack.

That one was a little too close to real life, ha ha.

In ME1, we had an asari, and well, another asari.

I loved ME2 character interactions. So much more interesting than trying to let Kaiden down without sounding like a total **** and having him go back to calling you "Commander." Grrrrr!

Modifié par Trishann, 10 février 2010 - 10:51 .

[Nastrod]

Abirn wrote...

Nastrod wrote...

The only reason you can do f/f is with Liara is because I think she will be a huge factor in ME3. Notice she is the only team member in both games that can not die. So they wanted it so a player can be male or female and still have a LI with her since she will be a major player.

BW is not trying to push some gay agenda here.

I'm not offended that they don't have gay content or "aren't pushing gay agenda"

I'm offended that they caved in to conservatives.

But it is only with Asari that it can even happen with. Like I said before Liara is the only team member in the 2 games that can not die plus other reasons show she has a great chance at being a major person in ME3. BW may just wanted it so no matter what  the sex Shep is they can have a LI with Liara. So without saying Liara is Bi or trying to be involved in any controversity they just made it that way for every asari.

Kelly was probably there to make these threads not happen since it is not a real LI but females can flirt with her.

Modifié par Nastrod, 10 février 2010 - 10:52 .

[DarthReavus]

Kelly is basically a f*ck buddy, but I'm sure a Dev (can't remember whom or where) said that the fact you had Kelly up to your quarters is still recorded in your save, so there could still be somewhat unpleasant repercussions for doing so in ME3. Probably not as unpleasant as having cheated with one of the full-blown ME2 LIs though.

[addiction21]

Abirn wrote...

I'm not offended that they don't have gay content or "aren't pushing gay agenda"

I'm offended that they caved in to conservatives.

Ya they caved so hard that the F/F relationship got thrown into the DAO universe and the impact was so great that a M/M relationship materialized.

[-Area51-Silent]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

-Area51-Silent wrote...

Kelly isnt really a love interest at all, otherwise you would lose your ME1 LI and the picture would be face down. There is no romance scene and the coversations with her are brief at best! Yes, you can invite her up to your quarters AFTER the game is over, thus truly it's not really part of the story so much as an amusing thing you can do post game conclusion.

Kelly's convos are shorter, yes, but there are more of them. Squaddies get like 3-4 bigger convos, Kelly gets like a dozen shorter ones. The picture doesn't get turned over because Kelly's relationship can range from flirty to friendly to professional, and as Dusty says, it's an easter egg.

Otherwise you have two people flirting consistently, bonding, going on at least one date, then sharing physical affection. It's not too hard to see that as what it is: a sexual relationship.

Sure, I mean, it can be interpreted that way. Though my conclusion would be that its just a flirty relationship and nothing more. Otherwise i would expect more to be implied for the date that she goes up to Shepard's cabin for dinner.

My thought is that realistically speaking, its nothing more than a flirty relationship,  no sex involved. The post game "booty call" is just an easter egg for players who remained loyal to their ME1 LI's and has no real bearing or sexual implication (more due to lack of any scene or previous implication to back it up).

[-Area51-Silent]

DaeJi wrote...

-Area51-Silent wrote...

My interpretation is, first of all, ASARI ARE OMNISEX. that means there are NO GENDERS in the Asari race. Before I get back lash (they look like women though), I know they look like women, the fact is that they do not reproduce/procreate in a way that physically would define them in such a way. The sense in the fact that they are female in appearance makes sense in that females of most species are the ones responsible for birthing a child.

Since Asari have eggs and not sperm, and that being the biological marker for females, they are female.

The game simply is the way it is, as I stated before, I don't believe in pushing my own social ideals on to the homosexual community, in the same token I feel that the homosexual community should not push their ideals onto others either. The whole "do to others what you want other to do to you" thing sort of kicks into effect.

No one who wants same sex romances (a lot of whom are straight) wants to take anything away from the straight romances. We just want what they got: options.

I don't know enough to make that statement. I could argue the "pureblood" status of some Asari where two Asari mate and a child is born. So where does the egg/sperm argument go from there? The mating of Asari as far as I can understand is a "gentle melding of nervous systems" which transcends a physical relationship. As to the question about "how does that produce anything" I just dont know.

and to HAGA NAGA, that is exactly what I am saying.

Modifié par -Area51-Silent, 10 février 2010 - 10:56 .

[Abirn]

addiction21 wrote...

Abirn wrote...

I'm not offended that they don't have gay content or "aren't pushing gay agenda"

I'm offended that they caved in to conservatives.

Ya they caved so hard that the F/F relationship got thrown into the DAO universe and the impact was so great that a M/M relationship materialized.

Mass effect isn't DAO now is it?

[DaeJi]

-Area51-Silent wrote...


I don't know enough to make that statement. I could argue the "pureblood" status of some Asari where two Asari mate and a child is born. So where does the egg/sperm argument go from there? The mating of Asari as far as I can understand is a "gentle melding of nervous systems" which transcends a physical relationship. As to the question about "how does that produce anything" I just dont know.

The way Asari reproduce isn't actually possible, so I'm going off what we've given. As for the whole egg and sperm thing, again I'm just going that egg is female, sperm is male, and Asari only have eggs.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

Sure, I mean, it can be interpreted that way. Though my conclusion would be that its just a flirty relationship and nothing more. Otherwise i would expect more to be implied for the date that she goes up to Shepard's cabin for dinner.

My thought is that realistically speaking, its nothing more than a flirty relationship,  no sex involved. The post game "booty call" is just an easter egg for players who remained loyal to their ME1 LI's and has no real bearing or sexual implication (more due to lack of any scene or previous implication to back it up).

The post game is the culmination of the romance because Kelly wasn't around to come up to your room when you went through the relay.

"Real bearing" depends on what you mean, but "sexual implication"? There's no way Shepard and Kelly don't have sex after all that. If that was true then none of the romances have "sexual implication" because the screen fades to black after light foreplay. For all we know it never went any further.

But that's naive, as is assuming no sex was involved with Kelly's romance.

[HAGA NAGA]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

and to HAGA NAGA, that is exactly what I am saying.

well. that is ridiculous. just because Asari don't share the same concept of "male/female" as humans do, does not negate the fact that humans retain "their" concept of female & male. to human eyes Asari are as female as they could be. you are stretching beyond the scope of reality on that one.

And Kelly? are you insane? i seem to remember seeing her (clearly a female fuman), dressed up as a stripper carressing Femshep while sitting on her lap, doing classic stripper dances for her (i suppose you see no sexual suggestiveness in the way she is moving?) and snuggling with Femshep in "bed".  All of this takes place in Femshep's private quarters.  This added to the fact that you can positively flirt with her throughout the game leading up the above meantion activities.

no bisexual or lesbian Femshep in Mass Effect though, huh? GREAT point. ya really got something there.