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[-Area51-Silent]

DaeJi, the assumption that it just isn't possible by standards of another race can't really be made. Perhaps a link of nervous systems where "two become one" is a way that genetic information to produce genetic material by the birthing parent is the way it happens? Who know! Who is really to say how it happens, perhaps cell division isn't the same process, there is just not enough info.



Going back to ME1 though, I am fairly sure there is a converstion with Liara where she states that Asari are an omnisex race.

[WilliamShatner]

The main problem with the lack of F/F romance is that it is just another in a long line of things that break continuity with the original game. I romanced Liara in ME1, why o'why is my Shepard flirting with Jacob the first time she meets him? Fix this BioWare, I'm serious fix this. Ugh.



Playing as a female who romanced Liara can be pretty poignant and sad though. Firstly you get a terrible "continuation" of your romance with Liara and then if you try to find new love on the Normandy with Samara or Tali you get shot down or can't take things in a more serious direction. The look on Shepard's face as she stands alone in the observation room when Samara leaves says it all.



They really dropped the ball with same sex romance. They now have six romances, effectively trippling the choice for straight characters but same sex characters get nothing.



Considering the amount of response to the topic on the boards I think it would be a great time for BioWare to test the water with a downloadable romance pack that adds new romances and expands the ones in the game already. I think it would be surprising successful.



And yes asari are female. Read the codex. And someone print out a copy and post it to Casey Hudson.

[-Area51-Silent]

HAGA NAGA, she's a LI, its merely an easter egg. The cabin scene occurs POST GAME, which to me means that it was put in as an extra to those who stayed loyal to their LI's.



Do I think it's a bit inconsistant, well yes I do, however you would think that if a sexual relationship were to happen, or SOMTHING were to happen with siginificants, it would have occured when you invited her up to your cabin for dinner.

[HAGA NAGA]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

-Area51-Silent wrote...

Sure, I mean, it can be interpreted that way. Though my conclusion would be that its just a flirty relationship and nothing more. Otherwise i would expect more to be implied for the date that she goes up to Shepard's cabin for dinner.

My thought is that realistically speaking, its nothing more than a flirty relationship,  no sex involved. The post game "booty call" is just an easter egg for players who remained loyal to their ME1 LI's and has no real bearing or sexual implication (more due to lack of any scene or previous implication to back it up).

The post game is the culmination of the romance because Kelly wasn't around to come up to your room when you went through the relay.

"Real bearing" depends on what you mean, but "sexual implication"? There's no way Shepard and Kelly don't have sex after all that. If that was true then none of the romances have "sexual implication" because the screen fades to black after light foreplay. For all we know it never went any further.

But that's naive, as is assuming no sex was involved with Kelly's romance.

regardless of whether or not they "actually" had sex, the assertion that "Shepard is not/cannot be bisexual or lesbian in Mass Effect" that some people are putting forth is total crap.

[Nastrod]

This game is has never been into gay sex though. People read way to much into it because of Liara
Liara - Is the only one and just for f/f
Morinth-Your game ends and your story is over
Kelly- not even a real LI. She was just put in to stop these threads probably. You can not even get a achievement from her.
No M/M ever

So it is just Liara really. They just have large plans for Liara so all Sheps can have a LI with her and just made it a chance with all Asari so they do not have to label Liara BI and/stay away from controversy.

Modifié par Nastrod, 10 février 2010 - 11:14 .

[LexXxich]

How exactly Asari reproduce is written in Codex (two kits of DNA, melding, etc). They also have breasts (though we know nothing of nipples), and belly button, which makes them as close to mammals as possible for an alien. This combined with their facial features makes any human who likes them sexually a gynosexual. I.e. if a human female is in relationship with asari, than for asari it's business as usual, but for human it equals homosexual. I repeat, from a human female perspective it counts as "gay", while not being f/f technically. Nef's diary even tells us such.

[Nastrod]

double post

Modifié par Nastrod, 10 février 2010 - 11:12 .

[cache_monet2]

My femshep hooked up with Liara in ME1, and I actually found the way it worked out in ME2 to be a very cool turn in the story. Femshep had to stick it out, stay true and faithful with no clear promise of a reward. Sounds like real life to me... Did wonders for character development and immersion.

The sense of annnnn...ticipation is palpable. Can't wait for 3. Kudos to BW.

If you arn't playing these games for the story telling and character development, you bought the wrong game.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

HAGA NAGA, she's a LI, its merely an easter egg. The cabin scene occurs POST GAME, which to me means that it was put in as an extra to those who stayed loyal to their LI's.

Do I think it's a bit inconsistant, well yes I do, however you would think that if a sexual relationship were to happen, or SOMTHING were to happen with siginificants, it would have occured when you invited her up to your cabin for dinner.

Who's to say something didn't happen during that dinner?

And a lot of things can be done post-game. Hell, you can even RECRUIT SQUADMEMBERS after the suicide mission. That doesn't make all those things "extra, meaningless content".

[HAGA NAGA]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

HAGA NAGA, she's a LI, its merely an easter egg. The cabin scene occurs POST GAME, which to me means that it was put in as an extra to those who stayed loyal to their LI's.

Do I think it's a bit inconsistant, well yes I do, however you would think that if a sexual relationship were to happen, or SOMTHING were to happen with siginificants, it would have occured when you invited her up to your cabin for dinner.

oh i see, so if two girls rub up against each, cuddling in bed, flirt with each other consistantly and hold each other while one is sitting on the other's lap, they aren't really bisexual or lesbians until they...........what?

[-Area51-Silent]

I am not arguing that he/she cannot be bi-sexual, I am arguing that the relationship just wasn't written in to the game. I am not a creative director at Bioware so I cannot tell you why or why not.



Personally I am happy with the story thats written, I think there is a lot to it. If Bioware decides that they want to put homosexual relationships futher into ME, I would have no trouble with it. I understand that some players want a romantic play through with their favorite squad mate that ends up being the same sex.



The short of the real reasoning is more to the fact of replay and playing through to gain a new experience. Atleast thats the way I see it. You just can't rommance anyone you want to and the easiest way to draw the lines and find a way to make atleast 6 completely different experiences, they drew lines in who you could and could not romance as maleshep and femshep.

[HAGA NAGA]

-Area51-Silent wrote...
The short of the real reasoning is more to the fact of replay and playing through to gain a new experience. Atleast thats the way I see it. You just can't rommance anyone you want to and the easiest way to draw the lines and find a way to make atleast 6 completely different experiences, they drew lines in who you could and could not romance as maleshep and femshep.

lol. perhaps a full-blown romance in the way that YOU define a romance didn't happen between shepard and kelly. ok whatever. but to deny that Femshep can have "some kind" of lesbian "encounter" with Kelly is just silly.

[DaeJi]

The reason why I see Kelly as a completely romance isn't because they do or do not have sex; it is because there is no emotion climax. With Jacob, Thane, Garrus, Miranda, Jack, and Tali there is a payoff before the final mission, a confrontation about their relationship with Shepard. With Kelly, it's an e-mail and dance. If she came into your cabin the way any of the others did, she would be a fully realized romance.

[-Area51-Silent]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

-Area51-Silent wrote...
The short of the real reasoning is more to the fact of replay and playing through to gain a new experience. Atleast thats the way I see it. You just can't rommance anyone you want to and the easiest way to draw the lines and find a way to make atleast 6 completely different experiences, they drew lines in who you could and could not romance as maleshep and femshep.

lol. perhaps a full-blown romance in the way that YOU define a romance didn't happen between shepard and kelly. ok whatever. but to deny that Femshep can have "some kind" of lesbian "encounter" with Kelly is just silly.

Alright, i will give you that I suppose. The more I think about it,  you are probably correct. Perhaps they just didnt write the other characters in with the F/F romance, and maybe with DLC they will add two Bisexual characters to balance it out (and make it a bit more consistant).

Edit: The bi-sexual relationships may have also hit the choping block due to disc space issues as well. considering the game is already 2 discs large with the current content, there is always the posibility that they just didnt have the room to add it. Though I still go with the reasoning that they want people to replay the game probably 6 times and with both male and female shep, and that was the best surefire way to do it. Could be wrong, but that makes sense (6 different LI's, 6 different classes + loyal to your current ME1 LI so maybe 7?) across 2 genders to experience em all.

Modifié par -Area51-Silent, 10 février 2010 - 11:28 .

[WilliamShatner]

Nastrod wrote...

This game is has never been into gay sex though. People read way to much into it because of Liara
Liara - Is the only one and just for f/f
Morinth-Your game ends and your story is over
Kelly- not even a real LI. She was just put in to stop these threads probably. You can not even get a achievement from her.
No M/M ever

So it is just Liara really. They just have large plans for Liara so all Sheps can have a LI with her and just made it a chance with all Asari so they do not have to label Liara BI and/stay away from controversy.

Don't forget you can re-enact Titanic with Sha'ira.

[WilliamShatner]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

-Area51-Silent wrote...

HAGA NAGA, she's a LI, its merely an easter egg. The cabin scene occurs POST GAME, which to me means that it was put in as an extra to those who stayed loyal to their LI's.

Do I think it's a bit inconsistant, well yes I do, however you would think that if a sexual relationship were to happen, or SOMTHING were to happen with siginificants, it would have occured when you invited her up to your cabin for dinner.

Who's to say something didn't happen during that dinner?

And a lot of things can be done post-game. Hell, you can even RECRUIT SQUADMEMBERS after the suicide mission. That doesn't make all those things "extra, meaningless content".

Actually, there's a dev quote in a Kelly thread that was just on the main page that says that is precisely why that fade to black is there...so the player can imagine whatever the heck they want to imagine there.

She totally helped my Shepard do the New York Times crossword.

[HAGA NAGA]

for the record:

HAGA NAGA wrote...

But what are you saying by putting your "interpretations" above? That there is no Lesbian Shepard in Mass Effect as designed by Bioware?

-Area51-Silent wrote...

and to HAGA NAGA, that is exactly what I am saying.

[Naltair]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 Why do these threads always degenerate into a discussion of asari physiology and sexuality?  The point isn't what asari are.  They could be asexual monotremes and it wouldn't matter.  The point is they look just like blue human women.  Femshep can be sexually attracted to them.  If you can be sexually attracted to asari, it also means you can be sexually attracted to human women very easily.  In femshep's case, that=bi or lesbian.  I'm a straight female.  I am not attracted to Liara because she looks JUST like a blue human woman.  I don't care what her gender actually is.  My reaction to her is dictated by what she LOOKS like, not by what she actually is.  That says what MY orientation is not hers.

Thank you I try so hard to get this across and no one listens but this is truth.

[Naltair]

LostScout wrote...

Kelly and Femshep are clearly lovers. Kelly's letter to you about the dinner was clearly not a "hey we're just pals" letter. The only reason they don't show what happened is that the ME2 dev. team was determined not to show a female/female "love scene". They just didn't want to show a scene where Jane Shepard unzips Kelly's jumpsuit and shows the top of her bra. Might shock some of the people who only play the game for the shooting and don't care if there is character development. So yes, F/F relationships were denied, and I bet in ME3 they will find a way to cheat you out of a Liara reunion too. Such a shame, the shadow broker killed her between games. I hope I'm wrong, we shall see.

No more denied than male Shepard though who is denied the most.

[Legbiter]

Druss99 wrote...

I dont mean to be insulting or anything im just curious. But am I the only one not playing ME purely for love interests?

Feels like the Sims 3 board sometimes don't it?

Modifié par Legbiter, 10 février 2010 - 11:29 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

DaeJi wrote...

The reason why I see Kelly as a completely romance isn't because they do or do not have sex; it is because there is no emotion climax. With Jacob, Thane, Garrus, Miranda, Jack, and Tali there is a payoff before the final mission, a confrontation about their relationship with Shepard. With Kelly, it's an e-mail and dance. If she came into your cabin the way any of the others did, she would be a fully realized romance.

She would have if she wasn't in a Collector pod.

Kelly's dinner + the fact that you actually get to save her life from the Collectors = a much more compelling emotional climax.

[jlb524]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 Why do these threads always degenerate into a discussion of asari physiology and sexuality?  The point isn't what asari are.  They could be asexual monotremes and it wouldn't matter.  The point is they look just like blue human women.  Femshep can be sexually attracted to them.  If you can be sexually attracted to asari, it also means you can be sexually attracted to human women very easily.  In femshep's case, that=bi or lesbian.  I'm a straight female.  I am not attracted to Liara because she looks JUST like a blue human woman.  I don't care what her gender actually is.  My reaction to her is dictated by what she LOOKS like, not by what she actually is.  That says what MY orientation is not hers.

This.  A straight FemShep isn't going to want to get naked and roll around with Liara, doing god knows what with her. 

This FemShep is definitely a lesbian or bi.  Her orientation can be affirmed in game.  It's pointless to argue whether FemShep/Liara is f/f or not.   From Shepard's perspective, she's getting it on with a hot alien woman.