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[Naltair]

Legbiter wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

I dont mean to be insulting or anything im just curious. But am I the only one not playing ME purely for love interests?

Feels like the Sims 3 board sometimes don't it?

People likes them some digital romance and sex.

[DaeJi]

Legbiter wrote...

Feels like the Sims 3 board sometimes don't it?

If people played the game just for the combat or exploration, then they would be the same as the people who only play it for romances. Bascially, Mass Effect has many gameplay elements, romances among them. If threads about ammo are fine on this board, so are threads about this subject.

[Naltair]

jlb524 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 Why do these threads always degenerate into a discussion of asari physiology and sexuality?  The point isn't what asari are.  They could be asexual monotremes and it wouldn't matter.  The point is they look just like blue human women.  Femshep can be sexually attracted to them.  If you can be sexually attracted to asari, it also means you can be sexually attracted to human women very easily.  In femshep's case, that=bi or lesbian.  I'm a straight female.  I am not attracted to Liara because she looks JUST like a blue human woman.  I don't care what her gender actually is.  My reaction to her is dictated by what she LOOKS like, not by what she actually is.  That says what MY orientation is not hers.

This.  A straight FemShep isn't going to want to get naked and roll around with Liara, doing god knows what with her. 

This FemShep is definitely a lesbian or bi.  Her orientation can be affirmed in game.  It's pointless to argue whether FemShep/Liara is f/f or not.   From Shepard's perspective, she's getting it on with a hot alien woman.

I want to subscribe to both of your newsletters.

[WilliamShatner]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

The reason why I see Kelly as a completely romance isn't because they do or do not have sex; it is because there is no emotion climax. With Jacob, Thane, Garrus, Miranda, Jack, and Tali there is a payoff before the final mission, a confrontation about their relationship with Shepard. With Kelly, it's an e-mail and dance. If she came into your cabin the way any of the others did, she would be a fully realized romance.

She would have if she wasn't in a Collector pod.

Kelly's dinner + the fact that you actually get to save her life from the Collectors = a much more compelling emotional climax.

They could have had a tasteful scene after you talk to her in the post game.

Instead of the rather tasteless "climax" we got.

[WilliamShatner]

Legbiter wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

I dont mean to be insulting or anything im just curious. But am I the only one not playing ME purely for love interests?

Feels like the Sims 3 board sometimes don't it?

I haven't played The Sims since the original.  Does Sim 3 have indepth user controlled converstations and emotional resonance?  Or do they still just speak gibberish?

[DaeJi]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

She would have if she wasn't in a Collector pod.

Kelly's dinner + the fact that you actually get to save her life from the Collectors = a much more compelling emotional climax.

How is a dinner where you (the player) do not interact with her and saving her compare? Either way, there is no moment in the game where Shepard and Kelly confront each other about their relationship. At least not that the player sees. Her romance is more empty because of that. As for an emotional climax, maybe post credits would have been the place to do it.

[Naltair]

DaeJi wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Feels like the Sims 3 board sometimes don't it?

If people played the game just for the combat or exploration, then they would be the same as the people who only play it for romances. Bascially, Mass Effect has many gameplay elements, romances among them. If threads about ammo are fine on this board, so are threads about this subject.

I could agree except there is a lot more combat then there is conversation, I play for the total package myself but I can understand why people get up in arms about the LIs.  We all love relationships, we all like the fantasy and we all want our piece of the pie if that is our inclination.

It's something that can make yo feel connected to the game world in a personal way.

[Lord Atlia]

Huh, well I just acquired new data by listening to Tali / Female Shepard dialogues and did they really cut that, again? I mean I remember something about cutting Ashley / Female Shepard and Kaidan / Male Shepard in ME1, but I assumed they made that choice late in development as they were running out of resources. But now they did it again...huh? I don't know what to make of it. I always thought that it was more of an artistic thing, writers didn't want to go down that path (gay/lesbian) because the characters did not swing that way, but Hale did the lines, why? I'm confused Bioware? Perhaps they just didn't see demand enough to invest resources in putting it into place...or maybe someone in marketing told them to distance themselves from gay/lesbian content, it would make Casey's comments seem more plausible. I think I may change my stance on this topic.

[Naltair]

LostScout wrote...

Naltair wrote...

LostScout wrote...

Kelly and Femshep are clearly lovers. Kelly's letter to you about the dinner was clearly not a "hey we're just pals" letter. The only reason they don't show what happened is that the ME2 dev. team was determined not to show a female/female "love scene". They just didn't want to show a scene where Jane Shepard unzips Kelly's jumpsuit and shows the top of her bra. Might shock some of the people who only play the game for the shooting and don't care if there is character development. So yes, F/F relationships were denied, and I bet in ME3 they will find a way to cheat you out of a Liara reunion too. Such a shame, the shadow broker killed her between games. I hope I'm wrong, we shall see.

No more denied than male Shepard though who is denied the most.

Male Shepard can get a scene with Miranda or Jack.  So yes, much more denied.

I meant for same sex romances.

[DaeJi]

LostScout wrote...
Male Shepard can get a scene with Miranda or Jack.  So yes, much more denied.

Well, some male Shepards wanted to get closer with Jacob or ease Thane's pain in the twilight of his life. What about those Shepards?

[Justin2k]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Casey is trying to retcon the F/F relationship in ME1 as well.

He seems to think the asari are asexual now, which is funny.

The Asari were always Asexual.  I've remembered that from my first playthrough and I never even romanced Liara.  If you read the text I believe you find that out right at the start with the consort.  An asari becomes what you want it to, it has no gender, just a feminine shape and voice.

Modifié par Justin2k, 10 février 2010 - 11:37 .

[-Area51-Silent]

The more closely I read the arguments, I agree that there really should be no problem with same sex relationships (Some not all, would be unreasonable). There are a couple reasons why they weren't included. Maybe a limitation of the delivery media (since Xbox games arn't bluray discs), Or as i have said, the design is to push replay value with completely different character origins, classes, genders and thus opening different LI's?

My best guesses for why those scenes/options arn't there. Apparent from DA:O, Bioware is not a homophobic company or so an assumption can be made.

Modifié par -Area51-Silent, 10 février 2010 - 11:39 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Justin2k wrote...

The Asari were always Asexual.  I've remembered that from my first playthrough and I never even romanced Liara.  If you read the text I believe you find that out right at the start with the consort.  An asari becomes what you want it to, it has no gender, just a feminine shape and voice.

The codex specifically says they are female. They are female.

EDIT: And what the heck do you mean "an asari becomes what you want it to"... Are you one of those guys who thinks an asari can "sprout" a male organ for relationships with females? XD

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 10 février 2010 - 11:44 .

[tausra]

1/3 being bisexual doesn't seem like too much to ask for. Its upsetting that BioWare, the first company to embrace gay and lesbian romances, is now not only stonewalling that community but also insulting our intelligence by saying otherwise.

[Nozybidaj]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

The reason why I see Kelly as a completely romance isn't because they do or do not have sex; it is because there is no emotion climax. With Jacob, Thane, Garrus, Miranda, Jack, and Tali there is a payoff before the final mission, a confrontation about their relationship with Shepard. With Kelly, it's an e-mail and dance. If she came into your cabin the way any of the others did, she would be a fully realized romance.

She would have if she wasn't in a Collector pod.

Kelly's dinner + the fact that you actually get to save her life from the Collectors = a much more compelling emotional climax.

Agreed, Kelly is probably my favorite romance in ME2 actually.

I would have said Tali until the devs start endlessly beating you over the head with "interspecies relations" crap.  Kirk never worried about that stuff, why should we.  It was just unecessary to add that.  Aside from that though the Tali romance was really well done.

The rest all just feel like there is no emotional attachment (thought I haven't seen the Garrus one).  SuZe is all about just f***ing and so is Miranda.  There's no real relationship between them, just lustful attraction.  Thane I think could have been good but it feels like it is under developed, there's just something missing there, there's no emotion.  I couldn't stand the way FemShep acts like a total ho coming on to Jacob so, yeah, I don't even bother talking to him anymore.

All in all the ME2 romances just weren't done in that tasteful and emotional way that the ME1 romances were.

[DaeJi]

LostScout wrote...

@ Naltair and DaeJi - you are right, All same sex relationships got denied.

The M/M issue needs more light; same sex content is there for female Shepards (even if it is light in Mass Effect 2), but gay men have nothing official. The reason I believe that there are more threads about F/F is because of the obvious "hawt lesbians!" reason as well as the fact that many men play as female Shepards (for other reasons than romance) and want a romance that they can connect with.

[-Area51-Silent]

Define what characteristically makes an individual female. This isn't to provoke you specifically its just to continue what so far has been an intelligent conversation.



stated here http://dictionary.re...m/browse/Female, the definition may or may not be met due to a lack of understanding of the physiology of the race.

[Funkenstein23]

DaeJi wrote...

LostScout wrote...
Male Shepard can get a scene with Miranda or Jack.  So yes, much more denied.

Well, some male Shepards wanted to get closer with Jacob or ease Thane's pain in the twilight of his life. What about those Shepards?

You see, this is where I run into a problem with the gay-romance support crowd. Its totally reasonable to want a gay or bisexual character for homosexual Shep to romance. The problem I have is when people start talking about retconning characters into homosexuality. Thane was happily married for many years to a woman, why would he suddenly turn gay? Jacob had a romantic relationship with Miranda, why would he too, magically turn gay all of the sudden? You have every right to be upset about a character like Jack not being bisexual, since she talks about how she's had sex with guys and girls, but its unrealistic and selfish to want every LI to be bi.

[DaeJi]

Nozybidaj wrote...

The rest all just feel like there is no emotional attachment (thought I haven't seen the Garrus one).  SuZe is all about just f***ing and so is Miranda.  There's no real relationship between them, just lustful attraction.  Thane I think could have been good but it feels like it is under developed, there's just something missing there, there's no emotion.  I couldn't stand the way FemShep acts like a total ho coming on to Jacob so, yeah, I don't even bother talking to him anymore.

All in all the ME2 romances just weren't done in that tasteful and emotional way that the ME1 romances were.

I disagree with this, I thought the romances in Mass Effect 2 were much better than in Mass Effect. Jack's is very well done, if you carry it all the way through and not just go for the quick sex, then you see a side to her that is very touching and moving. Thane is dark and tragic, and Shepard enters a romance with him knowing that he will die and she will hurt. With Garrus, there is a lot of sweet awkwardness, and his desire to just have one thing go right for him casts him in a softer light than he normally is in. Jacob... no comment, I don't know much about him. Miranda is a bit more traditional, in that it follows the basic "Hollywood" romance story; not bad, but the only romance I would say for sure is less than the ones in Mass Effect.

One of the reasons I would prefer the current romance options being made open to the same sex is because they are so well done. Of course, just getting the content, especially M/M content, in the game is the most important thing.

[ERJAK2]

To those of you who support same-sex options, I suggest voicing your support in a single post, not reading anything else written and leaving. It's not good for your blood pressure to stay here to long. Sometimes you get things that are positive and fun to read...but it's not long until someone like danaman ruins it.

Modifié par ERJAK2, 10 février 2010 - 11:56 .