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[dukaduka]

I understand why they made this a part of the game. Scanning in the first one felt like an after thought. I agree the this could be a good addition with balance and moderation. You went from scanning a planet once in the Mass Effect 1 to now having to scan every inch. You have to do this to get material to upgrade weapons, armor, powers, etc. This is a key part of the game.

I have the game on the Xbox and after scanning about six planets completely for minerals, your fingers are sore. I'm not syaing it is useless, I think it is a much more interactive way of scanning a planet. I just don't think there needs to be so much of it. Reduce the amount of scanning you have to do on each planet and bump up the amount of minerals you find.

[Juztinb42]

dukaduka wrote...

I understand why they made this a part of the game. Scanning in the first one felt like an after thought. I agree the this could be a good addition with balance and moderation. You went from scanning a planet once in the Mass Effect 1 to now having to scan every inch. You have to do this to get material to upgrade weapons, armor, powers, etc. This is a key part of the game.

I have the game on the Xbox and after scanning about six planets completely for minerals, your fingers are sore. I'm not syaing it is useless, I think it is a much more interactive way of scanning a planet. I just don't think there needs to be so much of it. Reduce the amount of scanning you have to do on each planet and bump up the amount of minerals you find.

I would prefer to drive the Mako (which I thought was one of the best parts of the game) to get my resources than engage in a boring mini-game that probably wouldn't even cut it on most flash-game sites any day of the week.  Mass Effect 1 did so many more things that had alot of potential, and Mass Effect 2 does so many less things that have literally no room for improvement.

Instead of taking out the Mako, the devs could have easily made it more fun.  Instead of taking out meaningful character progression, they could have easily fixed it.  Instead of taking out the whole inventory system, they could have VERY easily fixed it.  Instead of crap-ifying the controls they could have kept them the same.

So many things done wrong...

[joeymtl]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I think you're misunderstanding the concept of software patches. If a system is working as designed, we're not going to patch it. What you're asking for is to change the game, not fix it, and that is not the usual purpose of patches.

We cannot and will not customize the game for each individual who happens to like or dislike specific parts of the game, just as authors do not routinely re-write passages in their book to satisfy individuals who happen to want something changed.

not liking something is fine. Preferring something else is fine. Asking for a feature to be removed because you don't like it is selfish and unreasonable. There are thousands upon thousands of other players out there, each with his own opinions and preferences. You wouldn't like it if they called for us to "patch out" something you enjoyed, would you?

While I don't agree with the OP about having an auto scan. I think every PC users can agree that the scanning feature was designed for the console version. This is a forum for the community to express themselves about the game. The OP did it in a polite manner. Calling it "selfish" and "unreasonable" is quite shocking coming from a moderator. There has been dozens and dozens of examples in the past where games were modified because of player feedback. Hundreds in the case of mmo's. They call it..  "patches"

"A patch is a piece of software designed to fix problems with, or update a computer program or its supporting data. This includes fixing security vulnerabilities and other bugs, and improving the usability or performance."

[montpoupon]

I work on computers a lot, and play on them a lot as well - as a result I have RSI, and planet scanning (PC) is absolutely killing my wrist.



Plus, its super boring after the 4th or 5th planet. .___.



I miss the Mako - you really got the sense of being on different planets with ME1. ME2 is a series of tubes. Great, awesome pretty tubes with nice backgrounds here and there, but tubes nonetheless.

[glen55]

Juztinb42 wrote...

dukaduka wrote...

I understand why they made this a part of the game. Scanning in the first one felt like an after thought. I agree the this could be a good addition with balance and moderation. You went from scanning a planet once in the Mass Effect 1 to now having to scan every inch. You have to do this to get material to upgrade weapons, armor, powers, etc. This is a key part of the game.

I have the game on the Xbox and after scanning about six planets completely for minerals, your fingers are sore. I'm not syaing it is useless, I think it is a much more interactive way of scanning a planet. I just don't think there needs to be so much of it. Reduce the amount of scanning you have to do on each planet and bump up the amount of minerals you find.

I would prefer to drive the Mako (which I thought was one of the best parts of the game) to get my resources than engage in a boring mini-game that probably wouldn't even cut it on most flash-game sites any day of the week.  Mass Effect 1 did so many more things that had alot of potential, and Mass Effect 2 does so many less things that have literally no room for improvement.

Instead of taking out the Mako, the devs could have easily made it more fun.  Instead of taking out meaningful character progression, they could have easily fixed it.  Instead of taking out the whole inventory system, they could have VERY easily fixed it.  Instead of crap-ifying the controls they could have kept them the same.

So many things done wrong...

Not with you on this one, bro.  Scanning sucks but Mass Effect 2 is a fantastic game.

[Destructo-Bot]

I don't have RSI but the scanning is giving it to me >_<

I'll just send Stanley Woo the bill for Carpal Tunnel surgery... Bioware really needs to make resource gathering part of the regular quest lines. Not some terrible mini-game.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 11 février 2010 - 06:52 .

[damage1900]

As an aside, you would think the ship's AI could do the scanning.

[Paperghost]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

I think this is funny. They replaced the Mako with scanning because people were whining about the Mako. Now people are whining about the scanning. I rather they kept the Mako, but if enough people complain about the scanning I am afraid what dumbed down design they will put in to replace it.

i wish people would stop saying this.

The N7 missions replaced the mako missions - scanning planets for minerals is NOT the "replacement".

the fact that you sometimes picked up minerals on the mako stages was not their primary reason for existing - the cut & paste enemy bases and "exploration" were.

[Paperghost]

scyphozoa wrote...

its not cut and dry mako levels were "only for enemy bases" or "only for resources"

as it offered both, it was clearly designed for both.

which is why i said "primary". you honestly think the primary reason for those exploration missions is finding small clumps of minerals instead of the main objective on each world, which is always a base or large alien if you're lucky? element finding is there because they needed something to fill up the otherwise dead space with.

planet scanning in ME2 is still not the "replacement" for the mako levels. there are 19 odd levels on the various planets for people to get their exploration jollies to, the difference now is they don't have to spend 20 minutes crawling across mountains only to be told their skill level isn't high enough to open a locked box.

i'm just baffled where this insistent idea that "scanning replaces mako" comes from, just because the act of scanning happens to involve a mostly throwaway aspect of the random planet sections.

[runab0ut]

I don't get the idea of why people asking to take out a feature they implemented. What they might fix is to boost the sensitivity when scanning or add more visual cues to the reticule to help along with the graph.



Honestly, planet scanning is not hard to do (PC user here) and could scan a planet within a few minutes, but it is a welcome change to fumbling around in climbing mountains in the Mako.



If people are getting cramps for 'grinding' at it... it's probably the time to put the controller or mouse down, find something else to do and relax for a bit.

[Kileyan]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I think you're misunderstanding the concept of software patches. If a system is working as designed, we're not going to patch it. What you're asking for is to change the game, not fix it, and that is not the usual purpose of patches.

We cannot and will not customize the game for each individual who happens to like or dislike specific parts of the game, just as authors do not routinely re-write passages in their book to satisfy individuals who happen to want something changed.

not liking something is fine. Preferring something else is fine. Asking for a feature to be removed because you don't like it is selfish and unreasonable. There are thousands upon thousands of other players out there, each with his own opinions and preferences. You wouldn't like it if they called for us to "patch out" something you enjoyed, would you?

True true, but I doubt you will find many players that profess love for the  scanning. Most just figure it is a necassary evil. Most games dont remove features in patches, but some do change games in patches. In this game for example, a dev would say that the didn't realize the tedious nature of scanning.........we are upping the resources for each probe by 300% so that it is not such a time consuming part of our gameplay.

For me, I really enjoyed exploring each planet, scanning a bit too much, too make sure I could research every upgrade and make sure i found every N7 site. Subsequent playthroughs, if they aren't continues of the same chaactrer, I find the thought of scanning all over again is something that makes me not want to play:(

Modifié par Kileyan, 11 février 2010 - 07:42 .

[Massadonious1]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

There is probably a poll somewhere on these boards that backs me up.

Most players don't enjoy the scanning. You don't have to believe me.

So, 500 or so forumites are going to make gameplay changes for the however many millions of people that bought this game.

Brilliant.

If you want a TRUE poll, put it on the Cerberus network and make it mandatory. I'm sorry, but not everyone has the time or inclination to come to the forums discuss what Tali looks like, or why Miranda should be back as a squadmate for ME3.

[ToJKa1]

Destructo-Bot wrote...

I don't have RSI but the scanning is giving it to me >_<

damage1900 wrote...

As an aside, you would think the ship's AI could do the scanning.

This and this. My arm hurts just remembering that i need to scan resources on my current character. And if AIs will be created, it's atleast partially for sparing people from boring and repetitive tasks.

Modifié par ToJKa1, 11 février 2010 - 10:11 .

[IggyD]

In reply to Kileyan:



...and the assumption that it's a necessary evil is just that, an assumption. 90 percent of upgrades, with the exception of the ammo capacity boosters, are particularly useless. At Casual and Normal, they make an easy game a bit easier, and on Hardcore and Insanity, you're essentially catching up to enemy firepower and endurance that scales up the higher your character level is.



If the only reason to go about scanning for ore is research, and most of the research is rubbish anyways, what does that make the scanning?

[Monose]

I didn't hate Mako as much as I hated the planet scanning, the mako portion for me was just as boring as the traveling part in any games, but I never did it just because I wanted to gather resources, but to reach a destination of a mission.

In ME2, it was pretty much there as a stepping stone for upgrades, which means I'm doing it solely for that, and it was the one thing I didn't like about it. On the PC, I adjusted the rotating and movement speed to make it faster with the ini, it's much more better, sorry if it's already been posted:

With the coalesced.ini editor, increase the values of ScanPlanetRotationSpeed and ScanReticleMoveSpeed, I gave it the same values as PlanetRotationSpeed and ReticleMoveSpeed, which is the movement speed you get without holding down the button. Edit: They're all under [SFXGame.SFXGameModeOrbital]

Use the coalesced editor and don't edit it by hand unless you know the proper steps, notepad won't work, so don't do that

Modifié par Monose, 11 février 2010 - 08:13 .

[Madriker]

I don't mind the scanning much, tbh. It's time consuming, I'll give you that, but the resources have been integrated into upgrades, so the harvesting makes perfect sense. Then again, as someone else stated, you'd figure EDI would be more than capable of probing for resources instead of going in manually.

[ArowannaSwe]

Haven't read the whole thread, but am I the only one who love the scanning?
Best time-waster right now!

Regards
Arowanna

[sodacatkun]

i miss the mako..man..

[Starbiter]

Juztinb42 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I think you're misunderstanding the concept of software patches. If a system is working as designed, we're not going to patch it. What you're asking for is to change the game, not fix it, and that is not the usual purpose of patches.

We cannot and will not customize the game for each individual who happens to like or dislike specific parts of the game, just as authors do not routinely re-write passages in their book to satisfy individuals who happen to want something changed.

not liking something is fine. Preferring something else is fine. Asking for a feature to be removed because you don't like it is selfish and unreasonable. There are thousands upon thousands of other players out there, each with his own opinions and preferences. You wouldn't like it if they called for us to "patch out" something you enjoyed, would you?

Are you implying that there are people who enjoy planet scanning?

exactly what I said earlier lol. Mr woo is making in sound like people actually sit there and scan for hours instead of watching tv while doing it. scanning = unnecessary fail/

[Darkest Dreamer]

Stanley Woo wrote...

nope, the Dragon Aage team was rather specific about you, Darkest Dreamer. "That Darkest Dreamer," they said. "Let's ignore all his suggestions and make sure the game is not customized for him." i knew it was serious when I saw the memo and found that they had dotted all the i's with frowny faces. Musta been something you said.

i's dotted with frowny faces? Oh that does sound serious.

[bjdbwea]

To all PC users: You can edit the Coalesced.ini, to increase mouse sensitivity (since BioWare didn't find it necessary to include that in the options). That at least makes the scanning less annoying and quicker. It's still a very tedious task, and should never have been implemented this way.



But let's face it, BioWare has never been good with mini games, nor the whole action part anyway. They were the best in RPG and story telling, and now that they've put these things on the back seat, their inabilities with other things are simply more visible.

[le_bozo]

Another kind of solution might be an upgrade to the Normandy that overlays color on the planet depending on the quantity of resources available on each spot, as in :
- no resources, no overlay
- the more resources available, the more visible the color overlay
Such a solution wouldn't need to specify the kind of resource available, you'd just know there's something down there.
It does sound a bit redundant with the initial system, though, but hey, that's what upgrades are for.

Modifié par le_bozo, 11 février 2010 - 10:10 .

[Vaylor66]

Scanning is just plain terrible. This is one of the many half finished things in this game that felt like it slipped through the cracks.