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[equesta]

Siradix wrote...

Man totally. This game needs to like have a bong, and LSD, and a guitar and stuff. Maybe some nachos too, my character keeps getting the munchies.

Make love not war. Peace man.

Hehehe... Totally. Perhaps we can just walk up to the Archdemon and pop a daisy in its nostrils and give it a hug....

IMHO - All for the Free Love thing and yes had my fun at the Pearl with various menage a trois/quatre combos, but as someone who's played with the Toolset, can you just imagine the permutations of dialogue for this throughout the game? Bioware struggle make one relationship at a time work (respect though, it's still seriously complex!) without bugs - yet alone 5-6-7?

[Creature 1]

Schurge wrote...
So what you are saying is your wife / girlfriend can't trust you, right?

Some people have open relationships. 

[Maria Caliban]

Creature 1 wrote...

Schurge wrote...
So what you are saying is your wife / girlfriend can't trust you, right?

Some people have open relationships. 

When I was growing up, I met several people who struggled with the idea of two women having sex, as in their mind it wasn't anatomically possible. As an adult, I've met several people who simply can't conceptualize an open relationship, as in their mind a relationship can only be monogamous.

It’s understandable that when you’re only exposed to one model of a situation, you come to see that as the only possible model.

[RobinMichelleB]

In terms of the epilogues regarding children, I believe there is a PC mod that makes those more explicit, so if whoever mentioned it DLed that, it would have been in their game, it just wasn't BioWare made. And all children humans have with elves are human anyway, so the child wouldn't be half-elf. It's one of the reasons that elves are pressured to marry each other, because otherwise there will be no more elves.

The romances are usually triggered by specific responses. For example, on my female characters, Leliana will start a conversation with a comment about your hair, and if you say the right things in the right order, the romance will be triggered.

I don't think the game is opposed to the idea of multiple partners. I think that the characters have real reactions to you gallivanting around, if that's what you choose to do. The point is that they are not okay with it because of how they feel about you, and seeing as how you must be pretty nice to them if you have high approval, it's understandable that they feel that way. For Alistair, you are his leader and the only woman his age he's really ever been around, so combine the looking up to you with the fact that you're around him all the time, plus his old-fashioned romantic views (sigh... I love Alistair), and it's not really surprising. Leliana is much the same, and remember, she's been betrayed before, so she's not going to take kindly to you having someone on the side.

The Chantry, while not really caring about extramarital sex, does value marriage and love in marriage very highly, so that could also be a reason for Leliana and Alistair's beliefs.

As for Morrigan and Zev, they are the ones who think they are okay with sharing and then realize they aren't. So it's all about you for them, not their views. I don't think it sends a particular message about being monogamous or polygamous. It's a very individual thing.

That, and I totally agree with everyone who says that it would be ridiculously complicated from a technical standpoint. LoL

Modifié par RobinMichelleB, 11 février 2010 - 07:43 .

[Herr Uhl]

I'm skeptic to it because I've never met any couple that did that and kept together for more than 3 months. Open relationships is hardly something new on the market though.



But it would be hard to write such an romance in a game.

[Schurge]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Schurge wrote...
So what you are saying is your wife / girlfriend can't trust you, right?

Some people have open relationships. 

When I was growing up, I met several people who struggled with the idea of two women having sex, as in their mind it wasn't anatomically possible. As an adult, I've met several people who simply can't conceptualize an open relationship, as in their mind a relationship can only be monogamous.

It’s understandable that when you’re only exposed to one model of a situation, you come to see that as the only possible model.

I am not ignorant enough to believe it doesn't happen (I have even seen it). It doesn't mean that I will think its right, it doesn't mean I have any respect for a man who doesn't respect his woman enough to stay strictly with her while they are together.

I interpreted his post to be juvenile and perverted. If an open relationship is consensual than good for those who participate - that does not make it socially acceptable at this time in history (probably ever). And I can't wrap my mind around how one could compare unfaithfulness to homosexuality.

If Bioware is indeed anti-'free love' than just deal with it. What on earth is wrong with that? I am sorry that you can't fulfill every sexual fetish you have in Bioware games.

[Maria Caliban]

Herr Uhl wrote...

I'm skeptic to it because I've never met any couple that did that and kept together for more than 3 months. Open relationships is hardly something new on the market though.

I know a married couple that's been together for 11 years and has an open relationship.

Schurge wrote...
I interpreted his post to be juvenile and perverted. If an open relationship is consensual than good for those who participate - that does not make it socially acceptable at this time in history (probably ever). And I can't wrap my mind around how one could compare unfaithfulness to homosexuality.

You can't wrap your mind how a relationship between consensual adults that society largely views as immoral might be compared to a different type of relationship between consensual adults that society largely views as immoral?

You’re right, that is quite a stretch. That your disagreement with the idea is that it’s ‘perverted’ and you ‘don’t think it’s right’ does not at all drive home the similarities.

An open relationship is not unfaithness anymore than a same-sex relationship is unnaturalness.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 11 février 2010 - 07:55 .

[Herr Uhl]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

I'm skeptic to it because I've never met any couple that did that and kept together for more than 3 months. Open relationships is hardly something new on the market though.

I know a married couple that's been together for 11 years and has an open relationship.

Good for them, as I said, nothing new, but kind of alien to me. If it isn't something you encounter in everyday life, it's harder to make such connections.

[Creature 1]

Schurge wrote...
it doesn't mean I have any respect for a man who doesn't respect his woman enough to stay strictly with her while they are together.

To people with an open relationship, there's no disrespect involved. 

To me it's an "over my dead body" type of thing, and I'm sure there are many failed experiments, but I guess other people make it work.  

[Schurge]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

I'm skeptic to it because I've never met any couple that did that and kept together for more than 3 months. Open relationships is hardly something new on the market though.

I know a married couple that's been together for 11 years and has an open relationship.

Schurge wrote...
I interpreted his post to be juvenile and perverted. If an open relationship is consensual than good for those who participate - that does not make it socially acceptable at this time in history (probably ever). And I can't wrap my mind around how one could compare unfaithfulness to homosexuality.

You can't wrap your mind how a relationship between consensual adults that society largely views as immoral might be compared to a different type of relationship between consensual adults that society largely views as immoral?

You’re right, that is quite a stretch. That your disagreement with the idea is that it’s ‘perverted’ and you ‘don’t think it’s right’ does not at all drive home the similarities.

An open relationship is not unfaithness anymore than a same-sex relationship is unnaturalness.

I view same-sex relationships to be immoral but I didn't realize that mattered. I find it very very hard to believe that there is true respect in open relationships or that there is any love in such a relationship. Regardless of how I feel about same-sex stuff, I can at least believe that they have respect/love for each other. There is the key difference. And thats what I meant, sorry I wasn't clear. But yes I see your point, when you get right down to it they are both currently socially unacceptable and probably will be for a long time.

Creature 1 wrote...

Schurge wrote...
it doesn't mean I have any respect for a man who doesn't respect his woman enough to stay strictly with her while they are together.

To people with an open relationship, there's no disrespect involved. 

I will concede that there are exceptions to every generalization. And I am still young, its not like I can say I've encountered this alot beyond my own sphere there is a difference between perverted college students trying to pressure their girlfriends into unwanted and questionable sexual practices and older people who do this who have more world experience.

Modifié par Schurge, 11 février 2010 - 08:20 .

[Maria13]

My female rogue had a threesome with Alistair (hardened) and Isabela... I'm still thinking about what went down on the "Siren's Call".

[Demx]

Morrigan is secretly a one man kind of person
Alistair is a one woman kind of person

Zevran and Leliana are one man/woman kind of persons

Oghren likes to watch

[ejoslin]

Siradix wrote...

Morrigan is secretly a one man kind of person
Alistair is a one woman kind of person

Zevran and Leliana are one man/woman kind of persons

Oghren likes to watch

Heh, think anyone is more surprised than Zevran that he turns out that way?

[Demx]

ejoslin wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Morrigan is secretly a one man kind of person
Alistair is a one woman kind of person

Zevran and Leliana are one man/woman kind of persons

Oghren likes to watch

Heh, think anyone is more surprised than Zevran that he turns out that way?

I think he's only experienced love once before and for him to fall in love again, yeah, it is a big surprise for him.

[ejoslin]

Siradix wrote...

I think he's only experienced love once before and for him to fall in love again, yeah, it is a big surprise for him.

I'd argue about that really being love, but whether or not it was, I'm sure monogamy never even entered the thought process there.

[Demx]

That's why I said I think, I'm not sure. Anyways, according to the game love = monogamy.

[BroBear Berbil]

You can have a threesome, sleep with trannies, and have relations with Nugs...how much freer do you need things to be?

[Suron]

so because every romancable char in Dragon Age wasn't a goddamn bisexual bio isn't for free-love?



are you stupid?



so any of us that aren't bisexual also must be against free love?



is it that hard to comprehend that not everyone is bi-sexual? I think making everyone bisexual would detract from the story/setting and actually hurt more then it helps....cause then it's obvious the choice is their only to make homosexuals happy..it's tacked on..and forced.





whatever man.

[Demx]

OnionXI wrote...

You can have a threesome, sleep with trannies, and have relations with Nugs...how much freer do you need things to be?

You can also sleep with insertion and extraction devices, magic wand, and a gimp.

[Curlain]

Siradix wrote...

OnionXI wrote...

You can have a threesome, sleep with trannies, and have relations with Nugs...how much freer do you need things to be?

You can also sleep with insertion and extraction devices, magic wand, and a gimp.

And if you believe Oghren Morrigan could be a nug that shapeshifted itself into a human woman, more variety then might even possibly meet the eye... 

[_Aine_]

Important distinction: Free love doesn't mean everyone and their mabari will *want* to sleep with you. Nor does polyamory mean a sexual free-for all with no consequences Even polyamory is done with respect and mutual consent of all parties.

[Demx]

shantisands wrote...

Important distinction: Free love doesn't mean everyone and their mabari will *want* to sleep with you. Nor does polyamory mean a sexual free-for all with no consequences Even polyamory is done with respect and mutual consent of all parties.

Just another way the man's keeping you down. Bummer.

[CptPatch]

Schurge wrote...
So what you are saying is your wife / girlfriend can't trust you, right?

No, that is not what I am saying.  But since you're poking at is, "What kind of relationship do you have with your spouse?", I'll say this:

If my wife feels an attraction, be it sexual or otherwise, to another person, I sincerely encourage her to go for it.  I can easily take satisfaction that despite whatever attraction there is there, it is _me_ that she comes home to.  And if she should decide that she would rather be going home to that other person, in the long run, we would both be better off if that is what she did.  No need for explanations or asking for permission required.  In our relationship for the last 20+ years, this has always been our arrangement.  Even with that kind of freedom and available options, we have been a "solid" a couple throughout, with never any need to spend time apart or time to "sort things out".

It works quite well for us; I figure it can work quite well for fantsy characters just as well.

[Maria Caliban]

imported_beer wrote...

No.

I mean, if you romance Alistair, the free-love with Morrigan is *manditory.* You can't get any more supportive than that.

*duck and run*