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[Internet Kraken]

Sphynx118 wrote...


Isolation and comfortable is like saying "im making a fire under water". It sounds cool but it doesnt work well together. And how exactly is the condition discovered early? You think every asari tests herself regularly for the "ardat-yakshi"? One of Samaras daughters killed someone and then samara took the test. Who knows. Maybe morinth was the one

Even if the life of isolation is not good, it does not excuse what Morinth does. I can understand her wanting freedom, but I can't tolerate her choice to kill people. And I imagine it's pretty easy for the Asari to tell when somebody is an Ardat Yakshi. And I'm sure Samra would have mentioned if her daughter did not chose to become a monster. Samara isn't a liar. She does not try to hide the fate of her daughter. Why would she lie? Everything in the game indicates that the Ardat Yakshi don't have to kill unless they make the decision to. But if they do, they become adicted.

But even if she was born with this addication and didn't chose to become a killer, so what? She's still a monster! She still has no redeeming qualities. If I pity her then I should pity the Human Reaper.

And suggesting that Legion is a Reaper agent is ridicoulus. It already helped Shepard to thwart Harbinger's goal of creating a human Reaper. Anything it did to hinder Shepard would be rendered moot by how much it has already helped him.

[Sphynx118]

HelterSkelter89 wrote...

dark blue/ purple skin, round features, pretty eyes, these are the features that make asari good looking. morinth exhibits none of these features. she is as butt ugly as her mother. together morinth and samara are the ugliest asari in the mass effect franchise. look at how huge her eyes and jawbone are! it's just awful.

Personal opinion much? I happen to think shes pretty. I also think the eclipse leader on Illium looks gorgeous. And liara and Shiala. None of them look "normal" by your asari standards

[newcomplex]

Lmaoboat wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


I said that already.    It was just verbatim, read into my other points

I was pointing out that the reason we trust Legion is the same reason we trust anyone else.

Right, and I pointed out theirs no lore reason why we should.

I know legion isn't going to betray me.    But I really shouldn't, and shouldn't trust him, if were talking purely in lore-context.    

Internet Kraken wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...


Isolation
and comfortable is like saying "im making a fire under water". It
sounds cool but it doesnt work well together. And how exactly is the
condition discovered early? You think every asari tests herself
regularly for the "ardat-yakshi"? One of Samaras daughters killed
someone and then samara took the test. Who knows. Maybe morinth was the
one

Even if the life of isolation is not good, it does
not excuse what Morinth does. I can understand her wanting freedom, but I
can't tolerate her choice to kill people. And I imagine it's pretty
easy for the Asari to tell when somebody is an Ardat Yakshi. And I'm
sure Samra would have mentioned if her daughter did not chose to become a
monster. Samara isn't a liar. She does not try to hide the fate of her
daughter. Why would she lie? Everything in the game indicates that the
Ardat Yakshi don't have to kill unless they make the decision to. But if
they do, they become adicted.

But even if she was born with this
addication and didn't chose to become a killer, so what? She's still a
monster! She still has no redeeming qualities. If I pity her then I
should pity the Human Reaper.

And suggesting that Legion is a
Reaper agent is ridicoulus. It already helped Shepard to thwart
Harbinger's goal of creating a human Reaper. Anything it did to hinder
Shepard would be rendered moot by how much it has already helped him.

How would Asari detect it lol?   Their are no physical features associated with it, nor is their any mental ones except the fact that mating with them causes immediate brain death.

And I was talking about trusting legion before the final mission, when hes some random geth who happened to shoot a husk once.      

Modifié par newcomplex, 11 février 2010 - 02:00 .

[Lmaoboat]

Axx Bytehoven wrote...

IMHO, Morinth can be redeemed. If she must exist in isolation, perhaps her isolation could include service in defense of the galaxy. I regret Samara had to die to recruit Morinth. I would have preferred a continuing story where Morinth could progress beyond her adolescent and rebellious youth. I guess Samara is really gone, so the story there ends, but it's unfortunate.

She can't be redeemed because she doesn't want to be.

[newcomplex]

Lmaoboat wrote...

Axx Bytehoven wrote...

IMHO, Morinth can be redeemed. If she must exist in isolation, perhaps her isolation could include service in defense of the galaxy. I regret Samara had to die to recruit Morinth. I would have preferred a continuing story where Morinth could progress beyond her adolescent and rebellious youth. I guess Samara is really gone, so the story there ends, but it's unfortunate.

She can't be redeemed because she doesn't want to be.

Not saying I don't agree, but you really don't know that.    

For me, part of my love of Morinth is the fact that you can't love her (have sex).   And not just because she isn't real .

Best character in ME2 by far <3

Modifié par newcomplex, 11 février 2010 - 02:02 .

[Sphynx118]

Internet Kraken wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...


Isolation and comfortable is like saying "im making a fire under water". It sounds cool but it doesnt work well together. And how exactly is the condition discovered early? You think every asari tests herself regularly for the "ardat-yakshi"? One of Samaras daughters killed someone and then samara took the test. Who knows. Maybe morinth was the one

Even if the life of isolation is not good, it does not excuse what Morinth does. I can understand her wanting freedom, but I can't tolerate her choice to kill people. And I imagine it's pretty easy for the Asari to tell when somebody is an Ardat Yakshi. And I'm sure Samra would have mentioned if her daughter did not chose to become a monster. Samara isn't a liar. She does not try to hide the fate of her daughter. Why would she lie? Everything in the game indicates that the Ardat Yakshi don't have to kill unless they make the decision to. But if they do, they become adicted.

But even if she was born with this addication and didn't chose to become a killer, so what? She's still a monster! She still has no redeeming qualities. If I pity her then I should pity the Human Reaper.

And suggesting that Legion is a Reaper agent is ridicoulus. It already helped Shepard to thwart Harbinger's goal of creating a human Reaper. Anything it did to hinder Shepard would be rendered moot by how much it has already helped him.

Ive never said she wasnt a calculating murderer We all know that she is. Im just saying i understand her to some extent and find her character interesting.
Compared to the people going: "
She killz ppuls for funs then she drinks their bluuds cuz she is teh evulz lululul"
And at the same time those people dont grip that they have an equall or worse mass murderer playing nintendo down in engineering

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

People who are Morinth fans are insane

[dmcguk]

if you get to snap her neck in more then 3 ways in me3 im all for it

[Internet Kraken]

newcomplex wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

Axx Bytehoven wrote...

IMHO, Morinth can be redeemed. If she must exist in isolation, perhaps her isolation could include service in defense of the galaxy. I regret Samara had to die to recruit Morinth. I would have preferred a continuing story where Morinth could progress beyond her adolescent and rebellious youth. I guess Samara is really gone, so the story there ends, but it's unfortunate.

She can't be redeemed because she doesn't want to be.

Not saying I don't agree, but you really don't know that.    

For me, part of my love of Morinth is the fact that you can't love her (have sex).   And not just because she isn't real .

Best character in ME2 by far <3

Er, we do know that. We know this becuase of her various hobbies. She clearly enjoys the idea of hunting people down and killing them, whether it be in a game or in reality. Listen to everything she says about the items in her apartment, and then try to tell me that she doesn't like killing people.

[Sphynx118]

dmcguk wrote...

if you get to snap her neck in more then 3 ways in me3 im all for it

Isnt she kinda dead already in your game if you dont like her?

[newcomplex]

Finally, not liking her because she kills is ludicrous. How many deaths do you have on your hands? Hundreds. Were they all bad? No way. The people you kill in Blue Suns are no worse then half the people Morinth mates with. The games paints their death as meaningless, but every kid on omega is a potential blue suns recruit, like the halfwit you confront when meeting archangel. The other recruits you find on the bridge and shoot? Most of them were average people who desperately needed money. Maybe one of them was trying to pay for an operation on his daugher.

How many innocent deaths does Zaeed have? He would sacrificed an entire factory of slaves for his own personal vendetta. How about Jack?

Internet Kraken wrote...

Er, we do know that. We know this
becuase of her various hobbies. She clearly enjoys the idea of hunting
people down and killing them, whether it be in a game or in reality.
Listen to everything she says about the items in her apartment, and then
try to tell me that she doesn't like killing people.

I'm not trying to invoke empathy on your behalf.    If you choose to hate her, its fine, shes a video game character.     To me, I think shes an amazing character.    She clearly kills for fun.    Just as a rapist "rapes" for fun.    Imagine her first love, to be a "young" 30 year old asari, spending a passionate evening with your girlfriend or boyfriend.    In the moment of ecstasy, your date suffers brain death.    Then cast out and hunted by her mother.   To live your entire life not knowing when your all powerful biotic mother will come and end your existence.     To be unable to have a relationship, or enjoy intimacy with anyone, not out of impotency, but because your love is lethal.    

I find it hard to believe an individual will come out of this without two responses.    One is becoming a serial killer, the other is dieing.     

Finally, the way she kills isn't a knife in the gut.     Its clear that in all her relationships, she doesn't need to use mind control to get her way.     In your dialogue with her, she uses no biotics unless you resist.    Remember, your Commander ****ing shepherd, savior of the entire galaxy.     How many other invididuals put up resistance?
For her victims, she fill a void in their life.   

She doesn't target married, content men, she targets the downtrodden, those that welcome her ecstatic presence.    And for many of her victims, the eternal love she provides is the better alternative.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 11 février 2010 - 02:16 .

[IceColdFulcrum]

I am not saying that Morinith isn't dangerous, she clearly is. But she is probably less dangerous to the galaxy than Jack.



And between the two of them, the one that has the most chance of redemption is Morinth. Jack is too far gone (IMHO) and broken to ever see the light.

[GtarTravis]

Finally, someone who agrees with Morinth's awesomeness. Granted, Morinth is a cold killer... but hey so is my renegade Shepard. Morinth radiates with this aura of bad-assery. Which in my opinion, makes for a great team. Garrus, Renegade Shepard, and Morinth - the most lethal and ruthless trio in the galaxy! For some reason I just feel unstoppable with Morinth on my side.



Let the Reapers tremble in their boots - err.... tentacles?

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

newcomplex wrote...

Finally, not liking her because she kills is ludicrous. How many deaths do you have on your hands? Hundreds. Were they all bad? No way. The people you kill in Blue Suns are no worse then half the people Morinth mates with. The games paints their death as meaningless, but every kid on omega is a potential blue suns recruit, like the halfwit you confront when meeting archangel. The other recruits you find on the bridge and shoot? Most of them were average people who desperately needed money. Maybe one of them was trying to pay for an operation on his daugher.

How many innocent deaths does Zaeed have? He would sacrificed an entire factory of slaves for his own personal vendetta. How about Jack?

You're just another emo like her aren't you?

You're making excuses, no matter what. A predator is a predator, they aren't likable, redeemable, or are sympathetic. 

Modifié par Mikazukinoyaiba2, 11 février 2010 - 02:12 .

[Axx Bytehoven]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote... People who are Morinth fans are insane

BioWare obviously had a reason to offer the Morinth recruit choice. Samara warns Shepard will regret the choice. Morinth as a squad member does not prevent a successful conclusion of the suicide mission. There appeared to be a future with Samara and I assume there is also a future for Morinth. Honestly. Morinth's nature and actions are merely a different shade of gray from some other ME2 characters, Shepard included. Just as I find interest in trying to help Jack, I would find interest in trying to help Morinth. Is she beyond help? I don't know, but such a limited prospect begs the questions why have Morinth available to recruit? Simply to offer Shepard the chance to die?  Maybe so, but then again maybe not.

[Sphynx118]

If i was to be locked in a room with either morinth or jack i would go morinth everytime. With morinth i know what im getting into and what makes her tick.

With jack it would be like a cow driving a go-cart down a hill.

Nobody knows what shes thinking and nobody knows what makes her tick.

Besides if they decided to kill my shep then atleast i would die from pleasure overload instead of being thrown around like a basketball because jack thinks im a child in descuise (sp?)trying to get her

[defenestrated]

newcomplex wrote...

Not saying I don't agree, but you really don't know that.

Sure, but we also don't know that Kaidan isn't secretly Wuffles, Destroyer of Worlds. She's fascinating but everything in the game points to Morinth as an unrepentant predator.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

 Morinth's nature and actions are merely a different shade of gray from some other ME2 characters,

No, they are not.

A cannibal isn't a different shade of gray just because they enjoy eating other humans and I so happen enjoy eating chickens.

You'd have to have serious issues to think a serial killer is a gray issue.

Morinth was just a way for Bioware to not only reveal something interesting about the Asari, add another layer to Samara, but also to mess with the mind of the player. Because sadly too many players (male unsurprisingly) felll for her lies and honestly believed they could survive. She didn't quit trying to kill Shepard for even a moment, right after she kills her mother she starts on her 'My mommy was a horrible person :(" to gain sympathy.

She's good... but I know what a manipulator and a liar when I see one. That is Morinth, I wish my Shepard had added "Wow, nice try but you're so obvious".

Modifié par Mikazukinoyaiba2, 11 février 2010 - 02:18 .

[Internet Kraken]

newcomplex wrote...



Finally, not liking her because she kills is ludicrous.

........what?

How many deaths do you have on your hands? Hundreds. Were they all bad? No way.

Uh, actually they were. I don't know about your Shepard, but everyone I kill deserves hit. Hell even renegade Shepard usually only gets the option to kill people who did something horrible. You can't really compare me gunning down generic Vorcha #57 to Morinth killing Nef.

The people you kill in Blue Suns are no worse then half the people Morinth mates with.

The people in the Blue Suns are mercs that are trying to kill me, hero of the galaxy, for a few extra credits. That's pretty bad.

The games paints their death as meaningless, but every kid on omega is a potential blue suns recruit, like the halfwit you confront when meeting archangel. The other recruits you find on the bridge and shoot? Most of them were average people who desperately needed money. Maybe one of them was trying to pay for an operation on his daugher.

Sucks for them. But killing innocents to solve your own problems is not a good thing. And me killing them because they were trying to kill me is not a bad thing.

How many innocent deaths does Zaeed have?

I don't know. Zaeed is vague about the people he has killed, not really indicating if all of them were good or bad. But what does this have to do with anything? Zaeed killing good people wouldn't make Morinth any better. Plus Zaeed doesn't try to kill me. Twice.

He would sacrificed an entire factory of slaves for his own personal vendetta. How about Jack?

Again, none of this makes Morinth any better. Your argument is flawed.

[newcomplex]

defenestrated wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Not saying I don't agree, but you really don't know that.

Sure, but we also don't know that Kaidan isn't secretly Wuffles, Destroyer of Worlds. She's fascinating but everything in the game points to Morinth as an unrepentant predator.

Theirs no suggestion she isn't willing to change. I would imagine she would stop killing for fun if someone cured her of her condition. She wants love. She can't have love.

Theirs a poetic beauty to this. In many ways, she is a mirror of her victims. In the end, its clear despite all the power Morinth holds, she is powerless before her mother. She lives her live constantly hunted, powerless, like her victims. Her victims yearn for affection, they yearn for another touch. They want nothing more then to be genuinely loved, to feel the ecstasy of a fulfilling relationship. Morinth desires the same thing. She cannot have that, so she kills for kicks.

In every murder she commits, she fulfills her victims deepest desire, while her own will forever go unsated.

Modifié par newcomplex, 11 février 2010 - 02:19 .

[Lmaoboat]

Sphynx118 wrote...

If i was to be locked in a room with either morinth or jack i would go morinth everytime. With morinth i know what im getting into and what makes her tick.
With jack it would be like a cow driving a go-cart down a hill.
Nobody knows what shes thinking and nobody knows what makes her tick.
Besides if they decided to kill my shep then atleast i would die from pleasure overload instead of being thrown around like a basketball because jack thinks im a child in descuise (sp?)trying to get her

You better hope you have high paragon/renegade rating.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Besides if they decided to kill my shep then atleast i would die from pleasure overload

You don't die from "pleasure", you die from a brain hemorrhage. 

[Sphynx118]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Besides if they decided to kill my shep then atleast i would die from pleasure overload

You don't die from "pleasure", you die from a brain hemorrhage. 

Yes because the brain overloads with synapse activity. The hemorrhage is the side effect of the pleasure overload

[newcomplex]

"The people in the Blue Suns are mercs that are trying to kill me, hero of the galaxy, for a few extra credits. That's pretty bad."

If the Mafia sent you to kill someone, do you say "no"? How does one "leave" the mafia?    The members of Blue suns who comfront you are probably ****ting their pants.     (Most aren't even aware of your presence when you gun them down though)

The game doesn't want you to feel remorse for the people you killed, but really, shepherds actions are borderline terroristic, even if you aren't a renegade. Its clear that not every single ****ing person in the blue suns is a bad person. The true filth and corruption of the what is officially a security company is not known to the general public. We have several, several logs recording people saying "I'm really down on money, maybe ill grab a gun and join the blue suns".

Eclipse is kind of a different story.    Technically, bloodpack is the same, but have fun trying to empathize with Vorcha.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 11 février 2010 - 02:23 .

[Lmaoboat]

newcomplex wrote...

defenestrated wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Not saying I don't agree, but you really don't know that.

Sure, but we also don't know that Kaidan isn't secretly Wuffles, Destroyer of Worlds. She's fascinating but everything in the game points to Morinth as an unrepentant predator.

Theirs no suggestion she isn't willing to change. I would imagine she would stop killing for fun if someone cured her of her condition. She wants love. She can't have love.

Theirs a poetic beauty to this. In many ways, she is a mirror of her victims. In the end, its clear despite all the power Morinth holds, she is powerless before her mother. She lives her live constantly hunted, powerless, like her victims. Her victims yearn for affection, they yearn for another touch. They want nothing more then to be genuinely loved, to feel the ecstasy of a fulfilling relationship. Morinth desires the same thing. She cannot have that, so she kills for kicks.

In every murder she commits, she fulfills her victims deepest desire, while her own will forever go unsated.

I'm prety sure their greatest desires don't involve dying.