348 réponses à ce sujet

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

newcomplex wrote...

defenestrated wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Not saying I don't agree, but you really don't know that.

Sure, but we also don't know that Kaidan isn't secretly Wuffles, Destroyer of Worlds. She's fascinating but everything in the game points to Morinth as an unrepentant predator.

Theirs no suggestion she isn't willing to change.

Maybe so, but the burden of proof that she is willing to change is on you. I highly doubt an addict is willing to change or even can based on the number of lives she has taken.

You're one of those loons that would give a multiple offending serial rapist a chance if he cried hard enough wouldn't you?

[Sphynx118]

Lmaoboat wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

defenestrated wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Not saying I don't agree, but you really don't know that.

Sure, but we also don't know that Kaidan isn't secretly Wuffles, Destroyer of Worlds. She's fascinating but everything in the game points to Morinth as an unrepentant predator.

Theirs no suggestion she isn't willing to change. I would imagine she would stop killing for fun if someone cured her of her condition. She wants love. She can't have love.

Theirs a poetic beauty to this. In many ways, she is a mirror of her victims. In the end, its clear despite all the power Morinth holds, she is powerless before her mother. She lives her live constantly hunted, powerless, like her victims. Her victims yearn for affection, they yearn for another touch. They want nothing more then to be genuinely loved, to feel the ecstasy of a fulfilling relationship. Morinth desires the same thing. She cannot have that, so she kills for kicks.

In every murder she commits, she fulfills her victims deepest desire, while her own will forever go unsated.

I'm prety sure their greatest desires don't involve dying.

No ofc not. But their greatest desire is to be desired. And she does that for them

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Besides if they decided to kill my shep then atleast i would die from pleasure overload

You don't die from "pleasure", you die from a brain hemorrhage. 

Yes because the brain overloads with synapse activity. The hemorrhage is the side effect of the pleasure overload

Funny how only the pleasure receptors in the brain are activated supposedly rather than the pain, or smell, or hell any other receptor.

You believe Morinth? You believe the same person that would tell you "You'll survive this! I know it!".

[newcomplex]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

defenestrated wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Not saying I don't agree, but you really don't know that.

Sure, but we also don't know that Kaidan isn't secretly Wuffles, Destroyer of Worlds. She's fascinating but everything in the game points to Morinth as an unrepentant predator.

Theirs no suggestion she isn't willing to change.

Maybe so, but the burden of proof that she is willing to change is on you. I highly doubt an addict is willing to change or even can based on the number of lives she has taken.

You're one of those loons that would give a multiple offending serial rapist a chance if he cried hard enough wouldn't you?

No, everyone who kills in cold blood in real life deserves a swift death.      Unless their mentally ill, in which case they deserve asylum and help.    

non murdering Rapists should be chemically castrated and forced to take sexual inhibition drugs upon release.    


But remember, this is a game.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 11 février 2010 - 02:25 .

[Lmaoboat]

Sphynx118 wrote...


No ofc not. But their greatest desire is to be desired. And she does that for them

If so, only because of her mind control. And if I had to choose between getting my greatest desire and dying a few seconds later, or not getting it, I'd choose the latter.

Modifié par Lmaoboat, 11 février 2010 - 02:27 .

[newcomplex]

Lmaoboat wrote...
I'm prety sure their greatest desires don't involve dying.

Read my OP.   (I finished)

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

newcomplex wrote...
The game doesn't want you to feel remorse for the people you killed, but really, shepherds actions are borderline terroristic, even if you aren't a renegade.

Um... do you even know what terrorism is little boy? Shepard's actions are hardly "terroristic" if anything it represents the outlawness of the Terminus systems, which really are like the Wild West. Sorry, but you can't compare Morinth killing her victims to us killing thugs.

Its clear that not every single ****ing person in the blue suns is a bad person. The true filth and corruption of the what is officially a security company is not known to the general public. We have several, several logs recording people saying "I'm really down on money, maybe ill grab a gun and join the blue suns".

Um, how is it clear that not every person in the Blue Suns are bad? You'd think that if they are in the Blue Suns they'd figure out, oh hey they're doing some bad things after a while. Either way, they're out to kill Shepard so he doesn't have time to wonder "Is this guy pointing a gun at me a good father to his children?".

christ

[Sphynx118]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Besides if they decided to kill my shep then atleast i would die from pleasure overload

You don't die from "pleasure", you die from a brain hemorrhage. 

Yes because the brain overloads with synapse activity. The hemorrhage is the side effect of the pleasure overload

Funny how only the pleasure receptors in the brain are activated supposedly rather than the pain, or smell, or hell any other receptor.

You believe Morinth? You believe the same person that would tell you "You'll survive this! I know it!".

You honestly belive that an asari melding activates your smell or pain receptors? -.-
And i dont know if i believe her no.
But she may believe it herself. Her finally being able to be with someone without killing them in the process

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

newcomplex wrote...
non murdering Rapists should be chemically castrated and forced to take sexual inhibition drugs upon release.    


But remember, this is a game.    

This may be a game, but we're still arguing morals and hypotheticals.

Arguing that Morinth should be pitied or equating her with Shepard is just asinine, when she really is the equivalent of a serial rapist or serial killer.

[Lmaoboat]

newcomplex wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...
I'm prety sure their greatest desires don't involve dying.

Read my OP.   (I finished)

I would if I could undersantd it.

[newcomplex]

Lmaoboat wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...


No ofc not. But their greatest desire is to be desired. And she does that for them

If so, only because of her mind control. And if I had to choose between getting my greatest desire and ying a few seconds later, or not getting it, I'd choose the latter.

First of all, your not in that situation.   Its pretty ****ing easy to sit hear and type that, but try making that call when your in love, for the first time, about to have sex.    I'd pretty sure 25% her victims would gladly comply.

Second, it isn't implicitly stated whether she uses mind control or not, but in your case, she doesn't use it until you start going "HEY I KNOW UR A KILLER" in a more subtle fashion.   She makes no attempt at biotic mind control unless you acknowledge she killed.    

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
non
murdering Rapists should be chemically castrated and forced to take
sexual inhibition drugs upon release.    


But remember, this
is a game.    

This may be a game, but we're still arguing
morals and hypotheticals.

Arguing that Morinth should be pitied
or equating her with Shepard is just asinine, when she really is the
equivalent of a serial rapist or serial killer.

Last
time I checked, serial killers aren't born that way.

People with her condition are forcibly imprisonned, not "tagged" and told "don't have sex, if we see anyone die of aneurysms near you, were gonna go check".       That implies that the mental implications of a race that lives a thousand years, without being able to love, can only result in pyscopathy.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 11 février 2010 - 02:36 .

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Sphynx118 wrote...
You honestly belive that an asari melding activates your smell or pain receptors? -.-

If she can activate those receptors, why can't she activate any of the rest of them? Even then, I'm sure involuntarily you're going to feel pain as the blood vessels in your body and brain explode.

But she may believe it herself. Her finally being able to be with someone without killing them in the process

You guys are just the perfect tools/victims. She even tells you she was an actor and had great acting skills, she manipulatess you with every word. Only a fool wouldn't see that she has an agenda.

[Sphynx118]

Lmaoboat wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...


No ofc not. But their greatest desire is to be desired. And she does that for them

If so, only because of her mind control. And if I had to choose between getting my greatest desire and dying a few seconds later, or not getting it, I'd choose the latter.

Sigh.. ofc you would. But these victims dont know that they will die do they? Most of her victims were lonely alternative kinds that didnt go out much. So for them she was the ultimate desire. She wouldnt need any mindcontroll on them. Nef herslef says that she has been noticed by a gorgeous asari who understands her and wants her for who she is

[Lmaoboat]

newcomplex wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...


No ofc not. But their greatest desire is to be desired. And she does that for them

If so, only because of her mind control. And if I had to choose between getting my greatest desire and ying a few seconds later, or not getting it, I'd choose the latter.

First of all, your not in that situation.   Its pretty ****ing easy to sit hear and type that, but try making that call when your in love, for the first time, about to have sex.    I'd pretty sure 25% her victims would gladly comply.

Second, it isn't implicitly stated whether she uses mind control or not, but in your case, she doesn't use it until you start going "HEY I KNOW UR A KILLER" in a more subtle fashion.   She makes no attempt at biotic mind control unless you acknowledge she killed.    

I'm sure all of them would comply because she neglects to tell them their brains are going to be liquified 30 seconds in.

[newcomplex]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...
You honestly belive that an asari melding activates your smell or pain receptors? -.-

If she can activate those receptors, why can't she activate any of the rest of them? Even then, I'm sure involuntarily you're going to feel pain as the blood vessels in your body and brain explode.

But she may believe it herself. Her finally being able to be with someone without killing them in the process

You guys are just the perfect tools/victims. She even tells you she was an actor and had great acting skills, she manipulatess you with every word. Only a fool wouldn't see that she has an agenda.

haha.

Look at these people as proof of my thesis.    Even being aware of her condition, they would willing embrace her (figuratively).   Hell, look at me, to an extent.    

Its the femme fatale of that aspect that makes her enticing.    Can she love?    Thats up for you to decide.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 11 février 2010 - 02:36 .

[newcomplex]

Lmaoboat wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...


No ofc not. But their greatest desire is to be desired. And she does that for them

If so, only because of her mind control. And if I had to choose between getting my greatest desire and ying a few seconds later, or not getting it, I'd choose the latter.

First of all, your not in that situation.   Its pretty ****ing easy to sit hear and type that, but try making that call when your in love, for the first time, about to have sex.    I'd pretty sure 25% her victims would gladly comply.

Second, it isn't implicitly stated whether she uses mind control or not, but in your case, she doesn't use it until you start going "HEY I KNOW UR A KILLER" in a more subtle fashion.   She makes no attempt at biotic mind control unless you acknowledge she killed.    

I'm sure all of them would comply because she neglects to tell them their brains are going to be liquified 30 seconds in.

Did you know that 40% of sexual intercourse in college can be legally prosecuted as rape?    In fact, some students do.    And the rest of their life is ruined.    People will do crazy things for sex, and this isn't just sex, this is love.    Its clear her victims want more then sex, she could kill much more people by just being ****ty.     They want love.    

[Lmaoboat]

Did you know that 40% of sexual intercourse in college can be legally prosecuted as rape?    In fact, some students do.    And the rest of their life is ruined.    People will do crazy things for sex, and this isn't just sex, this is love.    Its clear her victims want more then sex, she could kill much more people by just being ****ty.     They want love.    

Winning the lottery doesn't do you a whole lot of good when the guy handing you the check pulls a gun and and kills you.

Modifié par Lmaoboat, 11 février 2010 - 02:38 .

[Sphynx118]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...
You honestly belive that an asari melding activates your smell or pain receptors? -.-

If she can activate those receptors, why can't she activate any of the rest of them? Even then, I'm sure involuntarily you're going to feel pain as the blood vessels in your body and brain explode.

But she may believe it herself. Her finally being able to be with someone without killing them in the process

You guys are just the perfect tools/victims. She even tells you she was an actor and had great acting skills, she manipulatess you with every word. Only a fool wouldn't see that she has an agenda.

sigh -.- A human dont have any pain receptors to register pain in the brain so you wouldnt feel **** when your brain exploded. And Its only in the brain so no the body wouldnt be affected by the hemorrhage.
You are to snowed in on the whole: SHES EVUL LULLUL thing to actually consider her hoping for a normal relationship. Im not saying she wants one but i wont discard it without reason other than: "She killz ppulz lulz. she must be evul 24/7 and she has no feelungs"

[newcomplex]

Lmaoboat wrote...
Did you know that 40% of sexual intercourse in college can be legally prosecuted as rape?    In fact, some students do.    And the rest of their life is ruined.    People will do crazy things for sex, and this isn't just sex, this is love.    Its clear her victims want more then sex, she could kill much more people by just being ****ty.     They want love.    

Winning the lottery doesn't do you a whole lot of good when the guy handing you the check pulls a gun and and kills you.

And you think lust is weaker then money?   
Your a fool.     People kill for money.   People kill themselves for love.    


Also, props to the guy above me for pointing out we don't got pain receptors in our brain, I forgot, and was still thinking of a retort.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 11 février 2010 - 02:40 .

[Lmaoboat]

newcomplex wrote...

It was an anaolgy. She isn't really giving anybody anything because she kills them ass soon as they get it.

Modifié par Lmaoboat, 11 février 2010 - 02:42 .

[Internet Kraken]

You know what? This really isn't even up for debate. To prove that Morinth is a horrible person, all you need to do is watch this video.







Ignore the obvious lies she spews prior to the horrific brain melting "sex". Notice the smug smile on her face as Shepard is killed. Notice the look of pure pain on Shepard face before he falls to the ground, dead for doing the dumbest thing imaginable. She just killed a living legend to satisfy her own selfish needs. She was toying with Shepard the whole time just so she could kill him. Regardless of anything you say, this one scene proves just how bad she his.

[Lmaoboat]

Sphynx118 wrote...


sigh -.- A human dont have any pain receptors to register pain in the brain so you wouldnt feel **** when your brain exploded. And Its only in the brain so no the body wouldnt be affected by the hemorrhage.
You are to snowed in on the whole: SHES EVUL LULLUL thing to actually consider her hoping for a normal relationship. Im not saying she wants one but i wont discard it without reason other than: "She killz ppulz lulz. she must be evul 24/7 and she has no feelungs"

Or your perhaps too entrenched in romanticism and some compulsion to justify her actions that you can't accept that some people are just remorseless killers.

[defenestrated]

newcomplex wrote...

defenestrated wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Not saying I don't agree, but you really don't know that.

Sure, but we also don't know that Kaidan isn't secretly Wuffles, Destroyer of Worlds. She's fascinating but everything in the game points to Morinth as an unrepentant predator.

Theirs no suggestion she isn't willing to change. I would imagine she would stop killing for fun if someone cured her of her condition. She wants love. She can't have love.

Where is the suggestion that she is willing to change? I'm not going the apologist route for Morinth until she gets a scene where she's remorseful and Shepard has no chance of ending up dead.

[Sphynx118]

Internet Kraken wrote...

You know what? This really isn't even up for debate. To prove that Morinth is a horrible person, all you need to do is watch this video.



Ignore the obvious lies she spews prior to the horrific brain melting "sex". Notice the smug smile on her face as Shepard is killed. Notice the look of pure pain on Shepard face before he falls to the ground, dead for doing the dumbest thing imaginable. She just killed a living legend to satisfy her own selfish needs. She was toying with Shepard the whole time just so she could kill him. Regardless of anything you say, this one scene proves just how bad she his.

You do know that the closest feeling to pleasure is pain right? And if you cause pain and pleasure at the same time they cancel eachother out? How do you know thats a face of pain and not that shepard just ****'d in his pants(pun intended)

[newcomplex]

Internet Kraken wrote...

You know what? This really isn't even up for debate. To prove that Morinth is a horrible person, all you need to do is watch this video.



Ignore the obvious lies she spews prior to the horrific brain melting "sex". Notice the smug smile on her face as Shepard is killed. Notice the look of pure pain on Shepard face before he falls to the ground, dead for doing the dumbest thing imaginable. She just killed a living legend to satisfy her own selfish needs. She was toying with Shepard the whole time just so she could kill him. Regardless of anything you say, this one scene proves just how bad she his.

Once again, the femme fatale of it is what makes her attractive.    Yes, immediately sexing her will result in death.    Immediately sexing jack is "bad" too.    If you weren't given further context, only the first dialogue with jack (because the game ends more or less soon after getting her.), you could say Jack only wants sex.      What does her smile mean?   After all, people with emotional disorders smile or giggle when their sad.    What if you chose to love her, without ever sexing her?   Would she change?    We don't know.   Nobody knows yet.    

<3