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[Faust6999]

Should have given an option to romance her the human way so your brain doesn't fry.

[Kileyan]

defenestrated wrote...

--Master of All-- wrote...

I like Morinth. Yes, she's ruthless. Yes, she's sadistic. But unlike most of your squad, she's very in touch with who she is and what she wants. You're not going to get a whole lot of emotional baggage with her on the squad and nothing you say to her can change who/what she is. She has done horrible things, but as her mother says, she made her decision long ago, and she doesn't have any regrets. Not many people can say that. If you ask me, she has one of the strongest personalities in the game.

I agree, and it's nice to see someone else doesn't view her as a remorseful victim of her genetics or an angsty teenager. To those who do see her as either of those: fair enough, I just don't see it.

Why would anyone see her as a remorseful victim of her genetics. She is not remorseful. I'm sure Asari have had mass murders and serial killers before. She is not that, she is a genetic abberation that kills for pleasure, gets addicted to it, kills in specific ways and gains power from the act. She isn't just a random killer spurred on by mommy issues, she is a killer, no therapist can tell her it all ok, her mommy loved her. She doesn't care, she doesn't kill to get back at mommy, she kills because she is a lioness and that is what she does.

I find it interesting, Asari admit(or at least I took it that way), that these things are possibly  the eventual evolution of their species. If that ever got out, not even the life sucking killer part, just the mind control part, they'd be pariah's in the galaxy.

[Kreidian]

 Her mother said it best. Morinth is a tragic figure, not a sympathetic one.

Yes she's a killer, she's a predator, she's vicious and sadistic, and even after recruiting her over her mother she will still try to manipulate you into sleeping with her, which she know will kill you. She's completely addicted to killing and the likelyhood of her reforming is, at the very least, significantly lower then the likelyhood of rehabilitating Jack. She is not the kind of girl you want to be alone with at night, period.

And yet I still find her to be one of the coolest, most fascinating characters in the game. I may not agree with everything the OP said, but I certainly understand what he means. She is a very sexy, very dangerous, and therefore very enticing character to be around. She knows who she is and what she wants, and never really makes any appologies for it. 

Beyond that there is definitely plenty about the character that is just damn compelling. She really gives this sense of loneliness, after all no matter where she goes or what she does she can never truly love someone for more then one night, because that will kill them. Certainly this could all be an act to get you to sympathize with her, after all saying that you could survive melding with her is clearly meant to manipulate you into giving her what she wants.
She maybe a psychopath, but she is probably one of the most psychologically stable people on the entire ship. That makes her reliable, probably more so then anyone else. For example, when she tells me she won't be messing around with the crew I know she's telling the truth, not because she's all that trustworthy, but because she's just not interested in anyone else. To her the only one on the ship she really wants is Shepard. So long as you don't actually sleep with her, she not a danger to anyone but your enemies.
However it is worth mentioning that she will refuse to meld with you until after the mission is done. That is certainly not typical behavior of an addict, it's what makes her more then just a crazy asari sex vampire and into a real character. Also unlike some of the people on the team she is very aware of just how important the mission is and seems truly motivated to help you on your mission of her own accord. 

Don't forget at a very young age she was told that she was a monster, and that she would be forced to live her entire life imprisoned. Like Samara herself said, she refused to accept the injustice thrust upon her. Instead she chose to fight, against the entire galaxy if she had to, all to make her own destiny. She is no innocent victim here by any stretch of the imagination. In fact it is in her refusal to be a victim, to allow the world around her to determine her own fate, that she becomes a truly great character. It is the reason that in the end, after everything she had done, her mother was still so very proud of her.


As an aside, it's worth noting that this is a tragic story on Samara's part as well, for she made the choice to kill her own daughter, to become a Justicar and to be bound by the code, all so she could fix her biggest mistake in life. Talking to Samara it's clear that she's the one who feels guilty over Morinth's fate, she was the one who gave birth to the monster after all. The two are very much two sides of the same coin, one light one dark, as it were. Both have and will continue to kill without mercy because they have to, one due to her addiction, the other due to her code.

[Gerse1]

I loved Morinth's character. She was so convincingly creepy, there was something deeply sinister about her. Guess it's a tribute to the VA, artists, animators, all working in tandem to achieve something very subtle. They did a great job. And I love how you can romance her and die at the end, even after beating the suicide mission on insanity. It's morbid yet also funny. There should be some 'CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE' message that comes up and a little cutscene about how the fate of the galaxy was lost to the reapers because Shepard couldn't keep it in his pants.

[IndomitusRex]

My Shepard is pretty hardcore Renegade, and I found Samara to be rather insufferable, but, in the words of Bricktop, she (Morinth) is an 'orrible ****. I can appreciate her desire to live freely, but to do so at the continual cost of other people's (often innocent) lives, that's pretty miserable. And the only reason you're not added to her list of victims is that you're strong-willed enough to shrug off her "embrace eternity" crapola.

My Shepard might be a ruthless pragmatist, but he's not disloyal, and doesn't lie to those under his command (unless he has a very good reason). The fact that you have to conceal Morinth's true identity from your squadmates clearly marks siding with Morinth as the one utterly and inescapably wrong action that Shepard takes. Siding with Morinth makes Shepard a liar and traitor. And what's worse is that if you do decide to side with Morinth you can't even bang her. So what's the frigging point?

I'll probably have a a save file with Morinth on the squad kicking around for ME3, but I foresee bad things happening if you decide to side with her. Not one of your squadmates would condone what Shepard did.

Modifié par IndomitusRex, 11 février 2010 - 06:06 .

[Cat Fancy]

Love Morinth, she has a very interesting and sad backstory, but have never taken her to the end. I hope there's a pay-off for people who do take her in ME3, but that's really doubtful.



Also, honestly, that she kills people because she finds it pleasurable is way more excusable than doing it for the money.

[Caz Neerg]

Morinth doesn't need to be sorry for what she is. She is a perfect creature. For those who say she is poorly written because she doesn't have regrets, huh? Since when does a character have to be riddled with psychological issues in order to be well written? Some people actually are perfectly happy with who they are; a trait which is much more interesting in a character like Morinth than in a more "normal" character. Out of all your potential crew mates, Morinth is the most sure of who she is, and can be fully herself without Shepard hand-holding her through self-esteem or daddy issues. She is a perfect predator, a thing of deep, though certainly dark, beauty. I honestly had trouble picking between the romance options in the game for my "what would I do" run, but if Morinth had been a survivable choice, there would have been no contest. No other character comes anywhere close to being as alive as she is.

[newcomplex]

BUMP FOR JUSTICE (and for Morinth)

[defenestrated]

Kileyan wrote...

Why would anyone see her as a remorseful victim of her genetics.

I've had at least two discussions with people who seem to hold the view that Morinth's behavior in part stems from wanting to love and be loved and the bit with the dying is tragic to her in addition to being tragic for the dead guy. Maybe it's because the Nef "relationship" resonated? I don't know.

[GothamLord]

I'm surprised that some type of comparison to Dexter Morgan hasnt been brought up in conversation by Morinth fans. As he is a serial killer that's designed for the viewers to sympathize with and care about.

[TheLostGenius]

Just gotta love that death orgasm.

[FlyinElk212]

I don't wanna sound like an ass, but I thought that Morinth was AEONS more interesting than Samara. Keeping her alive brought such a cool new level to that character:: a character that has to constantly pretend to be another, while in the meantime being a creepy as f*** manipulator that Shepard actually has to UN-romance.



I just wish the game would bring better justification to keeping Morinth as opposed to Samara. Choosing Morinth should've been a Renegade option, but it isn't--it's an EVIL option. Perhaps they should've shown that Morinth is so much incredibly stronger than her mother. Then it'd have the renegade justification that, well, saving Morinth WOULD be saving the stronger of the two.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

morinth is so dark she s***s bats. also, shes very dark



have i mentioned shes a really dark character?



i was hoping she was gonna ask you to go shopping at Hot Topic at some point.

[StowyMcStowstow]

I'd rather have Cthulu as a team member than Morinth. I don't see the appeal in someone who's killed people because it's fun. I barely like Samara, but she's better than Morinth.

[Barquiel]

I like her.



Natalia Cigliuti did an excellent job imo. It's a shame that Morinth has very little own dialogue...

[Kilo Trip]

She likes the kind of douche that listens to pop music and hangs out in VIP areas of nightclubs. She FAAAAAIIIIILLLLLLLSSSSSSSS

Modifié par Kilo Trip, 11 février 2010 - 07:27 .

[Caz Neerg]

FlyinElk212 wrote...
I just wish the game would bring better justification to keeping Morinth as opposed to Samara. Choosing Morinth should've been a Renegade option, but it isn't--it's an EVIL option. Perhaps they should've shown that Morinth is so much incredibly stronger than her mother. Then it'd have the renegade justification that, well, saving Morinth WOULD be saving the stronger of the two.

It may not translate into the gameplay, but from a story standpoint it is made clear that Morinth *is* the stronger.  They tell us that Ardat-Yakshi get more powerful with every kill, and that she has been killing people for 400 years.  So as far as the story goes, saving her is going with the stronger of the two.

But even if she weren't the stronger, it isn't an "evil" option.  The distinction between Samara and Morinth has nothing to do with good and evil.  Or even Paragon and Renegade, really, I find it a little ridiculous that saving Samara gives Paragon points.  She is a cold-blooded murderer.  Looking at the two characters, they have as many points in common as points of differentiation.  They both kill large numbers of people, and neither of them have any real problem with killing people most would consider "innocent." 

The only real differences between them are that Samara kills for a code while Morinth kills for pleasure, and Morinth genuinely enjoys her life, while Samara seems to have given up on really living.  Unless you happen to agree with the entirety of Samara's code, there is nothing somehow noble about her killing to enforce it on people who never agreed to follow it.  Remember, she isn't law enforcement.  The asari you talk to about Justicars make that clear.  She is a religious figure, with absolutely zero connection to any government body.  It's more that they are ignored by government than that they are sanctioned by it.  It's like if an Earth government simply declined to prosecute when representatives of a given religion killed anyone who failed to uphold the tenets of that religion, even when those killed never claimed to follow it.

So really, I find Morinth to be the more sympathetic character.  A predator who kills for the rush of the hunt, and genuinely loves life, vs. a murderous religious fanatic who doesn't appear to take any joy out of life, her entire existence instead consists of killing people for not sharing her religious beliefs.  For me, not a hard choice.

[--Master of All--]

defenestrated wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

Why would anyone see her as a remorseful victim of her genetics.

I've had at least two discussions with people who seem to hold the view that Morinth's behavior in part stems from wanting to love and be loved and the bit with the dying is tragic to her in addition to being tragic for the dead guy. Maybe it's because the Nef "relationship" resonated? I don't know.

If you really think Morinth is remorseful, then imo, you've fallen right into her trap.

[--Master of All--]

Kreidian wrote...

 Her mother said it best. Morinth is a tragic figure, not a sympathetic one.

Yes she's a killer, she's a predator, she's vicious and sadistic, and even after recruiting her over her mother she will still try to manipulate you into sleeping with her, which she know will kill you. She's completely addicted to killing and the likelyhood of her reforming is, at the very least, significantly lower then the likelyhood of rehabilitating Jack. She is not the kind of girl you want to be alone with at night, period.

And yet I still find her to be one of the coolest, most fascinating characters in the game. I may not agree with everything the OP said, but I certainly understand what he means. She is a very sexy, very dangerous, and therefore very enticing character to be around. She knows who she is and what she wants, and never really makes any appologies for it. 

Beyond that there is definitely plenty about the character that is just damn compelling. She really gives this sense of loneliness, after all no matter where she goes or what she does she can never truly love someone for more then one night, because that will kill them. Certainly this could all be an act to get you to sympathize with her, after all saying that you could survive melding with her is clearly meant to manipulate you into giving her what she wants.
She maybe a psychopath, but she is probably one of the most psychologically stable people on the entire ship. That makes her reliable, probably more so then anyone else. For example, when she tells me she won't be messing around with the crew I know she's telling the truth, not because she's all that trustworthy, but because she's just not interested in anyone else. To her the only one on the ship she really wants is Shepard. So long as you don't actually sleep with her, she not a danger to anyone but your enemies.
However it is worth mentioning that she will refuse to meld with you until after the mission is done. That is certainly not typical behavior of an addict, it's what makes her more then just a crazy asari sex vampire and into a real character. Also unlike some of the people on the team she is very aware of just how important the mission is and seems truly motivated to help you on your mission of her own accord. 

Don't forget at a very young age she was told that she was a monster, and that she would be forced to live her entire life imprisoned. Like Samara herself said, she refused to accept the injustice thrust upon her. Instead she chose to fight, against the entire galaxy if she had to, all to make her own destiny. She is no innocent victim here by any stretch of the imagination. In fact it is in her refusal to be a victim, to allow the world around her to determine her own fate, that she becomes a truly great character. It is the reason that in the end, after everything she had done, her mother was still so very proud of her.


As an aside, it's worth noting that this is a tragic story on Samara's part as well, for she made the choice to kill her own daughter, to become a Justicar and to be bound by the code, all so she could fix her biggest mistake in life. Talking to Samara it's clear that she's the one who feels guilty over Morinth's fate, she was the one who gave birth to the monster after all. The two are very much two sides of the same coin, one light one dark, as it were. Both have and will continue to kill without mercy because they have to, one due to her addiction, the other due to her code.

Pretty much hit on all the main points there, and then some. Morinth is what she is. You either like her or you don't. I happen to like her. Just don't start trying to change her or empathize with her. IMO, she's trying to get you to feel sorry for her so you'll let down your guard... and become a statistic.

Modifié par --Master of All--, 11 février 2010 - 08:53 .

[newcomplex]

GothamLord wrote...

I'm surprised that some type of comparison to Dexter Morgan hasnt been brought up in conversation by Morinth fans. As he is a serial killer that's designed for the viewers to sympathize with and care about.

In my opinion, Dexter resembles Batman more then Morinth =_=

[Archereon]

I like Mornith as a character. Sure she's evil, but one can't help but find the villains awesome if its not real life.

[Spectre_Shepard]

this thread made me laugh.... ah morinth....

[Archereon]

Of course, I also liked Saren as a character because he was just the perfect villain. Just the right amount of tragedy in his story to make empathy possible, but not so much that people start to sympathize.

[TobiasRieper]

One of the top 3 hardest decisions was to choose whether to let Samara or Morinth live.



I ended up by keeping Samara, although she's psychotically deranged and a dangerous fanatic. If I could get her to return to her Asari space, I'd let her go without a hesitation though. (only squad mate I have no interest in keeping)

[NICKjnp]

Funkenstein23 wrote...

Morinth has fans? Morinth was a hedonistic serial sex-murderer with control issues! Where exactly is the appeal in all that? Even my straight up renegade Shep kept Samara alive.

Death by Snoo-Snoo!