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[HeyUder]

I'm calling it now.

PS - mebbe TIM is a prothean/prothean descendant? I could definitely see bioware making humans related to protheans, whether that be genetically or through an experiment, or some off the chart way.

Yes, the Collectors were Protheans. IMO, they were a sect of them. I ask you guys to think a little more and remember than Bioware likes to pull out stuff no one can predict. The return of the protheans (return of the jedi lol) would be possible in my eyes.

Protheans have been major proponents to the story in both games so far - so why leave them out completely for the epic final act? Think about it. If at least 100,000 reapers are headed our way, there has to be a secret to defeating them. They would not feel the need to return at consistent periods unless they knew they could be beaten. If a race was truly powerful, they wouldn't need to bring those massive numbers. They're scared of something we haven't discovered yet.

Modifié par HeyUder, 11 février 2010 - 03:39 .

[serjwolf]

enough with TiM being a prothean! why in the world do people think that!

[Jimbe2693]

I would beat my head against a wall if they did that

[HeyUder]

serjwolf wrote...

enough with TiM being a prothean! why in the world do people think that!

The way TIM is presented in ME2 implies that he HAS to be an integral part of the story. He's one of the most important people in the galaxy. I have a strong hunch that he's a prothean, and that he truly does have the key to defeating the reapers. Call me an idiot, I don't care. Just an idea.

[Chasedanger]

Please no. We just saw the protheans, they were collectors now, other than that they were wiped out. LONG AGO, please drop it already.

[sbear3737]

I just wanna see TIM holding a shotgun and saying "I'll get there!" then running like a sissy.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

PROTHEANS ARE DEAD> FULLSTOP!!!

[HeyUder]

sbear3737 wrote...

I just wanna see TIM holding a shotgun and saying "I'll get there!" then running like a sissy.

Haha.

By the way, just to be clear: I am NOT saying TIM should/will be a squadmate in ME3. The bit about him being a prothean was just added to the end of my topic. I think that we will have some sort of direct prothean interaction at the very least in ME3. People are focusing on the reapers a lot. For two games the Protheans were a major topic - they are the Reapers are the antithesis of each other. I think it's extremely likely they have a huge role in ME3.

And the fact that everyone is so certain that they are dead allows Bioware to be more creative. You guys are looking at the obvious - did anyone even manage to predict TIM when waiting for ME2? No one even thought Cerberus was going to play a role at all. Don't let things just be shut down, because anything can happen in the final act. I'm sure that if the protheans were revealed to be alive, Bioware would reveal an intricate thread of the story that explains it and makes us go "ohhhhhhh"

Modifié par HeyUder, 11 février 2010 - 03:22 .

[agathonvasbattlestar]

The only thing I can see is that humans where a prothian experiment that stopped when the reapers came. If Martin Sheen (why the frak is he called tim?) was a prothian you would think humans would be the first race to get space travel after the fall of the prothians.

[XX55XX]

Chasedanger wrote...

Please no. We just saw the protheans, they were collectors now, other than that they were wiped out. LONG AGO, please drop it already.

The Collectors were "modified" Protheans. I doubt they look like the Protheans from 50,000 years ago.

[Chasedanger]

XX55XX wrote...

Chasedanger wrote...

Please no. We just saw the protheans, they were collectors now, other than that they were wiped out. LONG AGO, please drop it already.

The Collectors were "modified" Protheans. I doubt they look like the Protheans from 50,000 years ago.

They  did look like that in the beacon 'dream' you have in a side mission. So we won't really know until it's confirmed. Whether or not they were "modified" they were what's left of them.

[HeyUder]

agathonvasbattlestar wrote...

The only thing I can see is that humans where a prothian experiment that stopped when the reapers came. If Martin Sheen (why the frak is he called tim?) was a prothian you would think humans would be the first race to get space travel after the fall of the prothians.

TIM = The Illusive Man

[NeoGuardian86]

only way i can see that happening is if there was another incident like Ilos except rather than trying to contact the outside world, they decided to completely and irrevocably cut themselves off.

Maybe it was some sort of cargo ship full of workers and civilians (like in Jacob's loyalty mission), and they were in the right time and right place that they were able to 'hide' in a star system somewhere.

They've developed independently and out of fear never tried leaving their system until maybe say...

the Turians ran into them. or some excursion team looking for new worlds ran into them.



any thoughts on this idea.

otherwise, i'd think they are either A) Dead,  Collector.

[Chasedanger]

agathonvasbattlestar wrote...

The only thing I can see is that humans where a prothian experiment that stopped when the reapers came. If Martin Sheen (why the frak is he called tim?) was a prothian you would think humans would be the first race to get space travel after the fall of the prothians.

Humanity is not 50,000 years old in the game and thats when the Reapers wiped out the Protheans. So the Protheans did not start a humanity "experiment". The Reapers flat out told you in the first game that they wipe out ALL read ALL life each cycle. The Protheans were not the first. There were other cycles before them. If humans were created by the protheans they would have been wiped out as well when the Protheans were

[NeoGuardian86]

Chasedanger wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Chasedanger wrote...

Please no. We just saw the protheans, they were collectors now, other than that they were wiped out. LONG AGO, please drop it already.

The Collectors were "modified" Protheans. I doubt they look like the Protheans from 50,000 years ago.

They  did look like that in the beacon 'dream' you have in a side mission. So we won't really know until it's confirmed. Whether or not they were "modified" they were what's left of them.

that what is up with them looking nothing like the statues.

makes sense you see statues you'd imagine they make em' off of their own image.

[Chasedanger]

[quote]HeyUder wrote...

[quote]sbear3737 wrote...



And the fact that everyone is so certain that they are dead allows Bioware to be more creative. You guys are looking at the obvious - did anyone even manage to predict TIM when waiting for ME2? No one even thought Cerberus was going to play a role at all.

[/quote]

Actually if you read the 2nd novel, Ascension, you'd have a pretty good idea that Cerberus and The Illusive Man would play a big part in ME2. Heck I didn't know about the Illusive Man til I read the book but just playing part 1, you knew Cerberus was going to rear it's ugly head somewhere somehow and be big.

[HeyUder]

Chasedanger wrote...

agathonvasbattlestar wrote...

The only thing I can see is that humans where a prothian experiment that stopped when the reapers came. If Martin Sheen (why the frak is he called tim?) was a prothian you would think humans would be the first race to get space travel after the fall of the prothians.

Humanity is not 50,000 years old in the game and thats when the Reapers wiped out the Protheans. So the Protheans did not start a humanity "experiment". The Reapers flat out told you in the first game that they wipe out ALL read ALL life each cycle. The Protheans were not the first. There were other cycles before them. If humans were created by the protheans they would have been wiped out as well when the Protheans were

Apparently the prothean scientists on Ilos managed to survive the Reaper attack by hiding, but eventually died anyways. I think it's very possible that other protheans managed to hide and lived to tell the tale. All I know is that Protheans, Mass Relays/Effect, and Reapers are going to be key to the story.

And how are you so sure humanity isn't 50,000 years old in the game? How old are they in the game, and when do they say this?

[Space Shot]

serjwolf wrote...

enough with TiM being a prothean! why in the world do people think that!

Because they didn't listen to anyone on the Collector ship...

...and they haven't figured out yet that the IM is a R. Daneel Olivaw.

Modifié par Space Shot, 11 février 2010 - 03:36 .

[Chasedanger]

NeoGuardian86 wrote...

Chasedanger wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Chasedanger wrote...

Please no. We just saw the protheans, they were collectors now, other than that they were wiped out. LONG AGO, please drop it already.

The Collectors were "modified" Protheans. I doubt they look like the Protheans from 50,000 years ago.

They  did look like that in the beacon 'dream' you have in a side mission. So we won't really know until it's confirmed. Whether or not they were "modified" they were what's left of them.

that what is up with them looking nothing like the statues.

makes sense you see statues you'd imagine they make em' off of their own image.

I'm not denying they may originally have looked different, if you read what I wrote. They were "repurposed" re: altered in some way yes. But they were wiped out nonetheless. The collectors were what was left of the race, changed to suit the Reapers needs. Similar to how they use some of the humans they were collecting to liquify to make the human looking Reaper and some were repurposed as "husks" to act as shock troops.

[Skyblade012]

EDI's analysis of the Collector/Prothean DNA makes it almost impossible for Protheans and Humans to be related. Protheans have a completely different genetic structure. They don't even use a double helix, the way we do. This means that there genetic code would have absolutely no correlation with our own, so any relations are fundamentally impossible.

[flem1]

It couldn't be TIM, but one of the Ilos scientists could have preserved himself somewhere on the Citadel. Unlikely but possible.

[Chasedanger]

HeyUder wrote...

Chasedanger wrote...

agathonvasbattlestar wrote...

The only thing I can see is that humans where a prothian experiment that stopped when the reapers came. If Martin Sheen (why the frak is he called tim?) was a prothian you would think humans would be the first race to get space travel after the fall of the prothians.

Humanity is not 50,000 years old in the game and thats when the Reapers wiped out the Protheans. So the Protheans did not start a humanity "experiment". The Reapers flat out told you in the first game that they wipe out ALL read ALL life each cycle. The Protheans were not the first. There were other cycles before them. If humans were created by the protheans they would have been wiped out as well when the Protheans were

Apparently the prothean scientists on Ilos managed to survive the Reaper attack by hiding, but eventually died anyways. I think it's very possible that other protheans managed to hide and lived to tell the tale. All I know is that Protheans, Mass Relays/Effect, and Reapers are going to be key to the story.

And how are you so sure humanity isn't 50,000 years old in the game? How old are they in the game, and when do they say this?

You'd have to read the books, especially Mass Effect : Revelation which by the way before you ask is written by the same person who head writes the games. Drew Karpyshyn. It's a great book if you are a fan of the game. It's stated in there. We are not that old as a species. It states in the book how long we have been around as a species. And once again, even if we WERE around that long, which we weren't the Reapers would have harvested us along with all other sentient life. The book will even explain to you that other races Asari etc have even been around longer than us.

[agathonvasbattlestar]

Ah tim is a abreviation sorry I felt as dumb as grunt a quarian science convention just now.

Any way I'm not saying that humans where created by the prothians only that the prothians helped and observed cavemen. I remember some prothian ruin knoked you uncountious in the first game and I gave you a glimpse in you ansestorial memory about being hit in the neck with Flint or something.

[HeyUder]

Chasedanger wrote...

HeyUder wrote...

Chasedanger wrote...

agathonvasbattlestar wrote...

The only thing I can see is that humans where a prothian experiment that stopped when the reapers came. If Martin Sheen (why the frak is he called tim?) was a prothian you would think humans would be the first race to get space travel after the fall of the prothians.

Humanity is not 50,000 years old in the game and thats when the Reapers wiped out the Protheans. So the Protheans did not start a humanity "experiment". The Reapers flat out told you in the first game that they wipe out ALL read ALL life each cycle. The Protheans were not the first. There were other cycles before them. If humans were created by the protheans they would have been wiped out as well when the Protheans were

Apparently the prothean scientists on Ilos managed to survive the Reaper attack by hiding, but eventually died anyways. I think it's very possible that other protheans managed to hide and lived to tell the tale. All I know is that Protheans, Mass Relays/Effect, and Reapers are going to be key to the story.

And how are you so sure humanity isn't 50,000 years old in the game? How old are they in the game, and when do they say this?

You'd have to read the books, especially Mass Effect : Revelation which by the way before you ask is written by the same person who head writes the games. Drew Karpyshyn. It's a great book if you are a fan of the game. It's stated in there. We are not that old as a species. It states in the book how long we have been around as a species. And once again, even if we WERE around that long, which we weren't the Reapers would have harvested us along with all other sentient life. The book will even explain to you that other races Asari etc have even been around longer than us.

I just looked up (irl) how long ****** sapiens have been around and we're around 200,000 to 400,000 years old as a species. Modern humans are about 50,000.

Just wondering, does Kapshyrn (sp?) give a number that is basically stating that the mass effect humanity is an alternate humanity to our own? IE, humans are a much younger race than IRL? I can't see that being true for some reason, as most of the game is based on some parts of reality. They cited the moon landing of 1969 in a codex entry.

[Tahleron1]

HeyUder wrote...

serjwolf wrote...

enough with TiM being a prothean! why in the world do people think that!

The way TIM is presented in ME2 implies that he HAS to be an integral part of the story. He's one of the most important people in the galaxy. I have a strong hunch that he's a prothean, and that he truly does have the key to defeating the reapers. Call me an idiot, I don't care. Just an idea.

I assumed the importance in ME2 was part of the contractual agreement with Martin Sheen.