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[JaegerBane]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

It's against geth beliefs (according to legion) to impose your own version of "truth", so imo the most moral thing to do is also the safest, blow it up.

It's never a moral thing to simply murder sentients when another option is on the table. Legion himself couldn't reach consensus as to what to do.

[kennyme2]

commandoclone87 wrote...

Anyone remember that through talking to Legion, that he describes the True Geth as caretakers of the Quarian worlds, maintaining them for the eventual return of the Creators. If Legion does make up a consensus of the majority of the Geth race, then it is safe to assume that if the Quarians stop trying to wipe them out and actually start talking to the Geth, they would be able to return to their homeworlds.

True Geth are not shown to be hostile at any point after the end of the war with the Quarians and it is only with the appearance of Sovereign that the Heretical Geth become hostile.

I think that the Quarians have a really strong bias against the Geth and for understandable reasons. Living in suits is not what they are naturally accustomed to, nor is lving on ships for your whole life. I see what you mean, though, I also think that if the Quarians could just realize that neither they nor the Geth were wrong then they could both live in peace.

Of course the Geth did kill billions of Quarians in their rebellion so that's gonna be hard to put behind. Then again the Quarians wanted to shutdown the Geth, maybe forever. Basically possible genocide.

[Archilochos]

There's an added complication with the heretics - it's entirely possible that they are heretics based solely on Reaper meddling, ie their initial conclusion might already have been artificially imposed by the Reapers.  They might not even believe what they believe they believe.  The rachni queen believes the Reapers caused the rachni to attack through a sort of mind control.  Asari, turians, humans, etc are all vulnerable to Reaper indoctrination, so why not geth?  If this is the case with the heretics, then rewriting them is more akin to deprogramming someone who's been brainwashed then to actually messing with free will.

[The Capital Gaultier]

kennyme2 wrote...

I have been trying to think of reasons to rewrite the Geth in anticipation of ME3. Obviously, if you rewrite them, the Geth get stronger and thus you have a better army. But is it worth the risk of Geth infection?

Look at the Reaper IFF. That tiny piece of hardware was able to disable the Normandy, which has an AI to look out for things like that. Legion says that the Geth will absorb all the memories of the Heretics including their memories of following the Reapers. To me, that sounds like they are absorbing something that has already been tainted.

Also, is a space station full of Geth even worth the risk of contaminating the rest of the Geth? Remember that the Geth have been hidden behind the Perseus veil for hundreds of years building who knows how many Geth in that time. EDI says that the Geth conciousness feels like its the size of a Galactic arm. That should give an indication as to how many bodies go with that conciousness.

Anyway, I just dont feel that the Geth really need anymore numbers and that the risk of Reaper contamination is too big of a risk to justify rewriting. Just my take on things.

If you believe Legion, it's a way to make the Geth stronger as a possible ally in the war against the Reapers.  Even if they aren't allies, if Legion is not being duplicitous the Geth would fight against the Reapers.

[sgrzadka]

HOW ABOUT.... make your own decisions? is that not the point of these RPG games.......?????????

[Freyzer]

kennyme2 wrote...

I have been trying to think of reasons to rewrite the Geth in anticipation of ME3. Obviously, if you rewrite them, the Geth get stronger and thus you have a better army. But is it worth the risk of Geth infection?

Look at the Reaper IFF. That tiny piece of hardware was able to disable the Normandy, which has an AI to look out for things like that. Legion says that the Geth will absorb all the memories of the Heretics including their memories of following the Reapers. To me, that sounds like they are absorbing something that has already been tainted.

Also, is a space station full of Geth even worth the risk of contaminating the rest of the Geth? Remember that the Geth have been hidden behind the Perseus veil for hundreds of years building who knows how many Geth in that time. EDI says that the Geth conciousness feels like its the size of a Galactic arm. That should give an indication as to how many bodies go with that conciousness.

Anyway, I just dont feel that the Geth really need anymore numbers and that the risk of Reaper contamination is too big of a risk to justify rewriting. Just my take on things.

The way I saw it, you would just be destroying one space station full of heretic geth.  The others not on the station would still want retribution.  The rewrite would alter all the heretic geth everywhere to be less hostile towards organics and fight against the reapers.  This would also stop all attacks on organics.  If it was more clear-cut..like destroy all the geth everywhere or rewrite them, then it would have been a different story.

Modifié par Freyzer, 11 février 2010 - 09:22 .

[Milana_Saros]

I personally destroyed the Heretic geth even if I was nearly 100% Paragon. Rewriting them seemed like way too big of a risk. No matter their level of conciousness, they're still non-organic race and there's no way of telling how their programming will suddenly shift or if they are infected with a virus. Maybe I watched too much Terminator when I was a kid but I didn't want to risk it...Legion also died on the suicide mission so bye bye I guess. Didn't really care that much.

[trigger2kill1]

The Capital Gaultier wrote
If you believe Legion, it's a way to make the Geth stronger as a possible ally in the war against the Reapers.  Even if they aren't allies, if Legion is not being duplicitous the Geth would fight against the Reapers.
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 This will be the fight of all fights and if there is even a small chance of the Geth fighting for our side (the RIGHT side) then its worth a shot.

Yeah Yeah I hear ya "at best you dumb bastard it's a shot in the dark"  and to be sure it indeed is. But again they could be powerful allies. I'll just bet that if it does pan out then this fact improves out chances immeasureably.

Then again it's just a game and we do have the luxury of a reset button, so in the imortal words of just about any fool out there I say, what the hell give 'em a shot. If you are so anal to think that im being effed up then read my signature!

Modifié par trigger2kill1, 11 février 2010 - 10:08 .

[kennyme2]

sgrzadka wrote...

HOW ABOUT.... make your own decisions? is that not the point of these RPG games.......?????????

Am I asking you to tell me what I should do? Maybe you should read my post again, I already made my desicion and am wondering what justifications can be said about the flip side. Please don't read half a post and then jump at the chance to put someone down.

[Eumerin]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

Ah yes I forgot that part where Tali was absolved of all accusations but later exiled, that part can be done in two ways right?

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If you incite the crowd (or use the paragon/renegade speech options), then she's absolved of all charges and her father's role in the whole disaster remains unmentioned.  In that case, she's not exiled but instead chooses to continue working with you of her own free will.