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[Canned Bullets]

Never played ME1 so I don't know why Cerberus is bad, they sound like they have honest intentions.

[mjwoltsknar]

it's an extremist pro-human organization infamous for its questionable strategies for improving the human race

[Shelondias]

They've done a lot of really nasty experiments on innocent people

Human expansion at all costs

[Internet Kraken]

Of the top of my head, here's some the things they did;



-killed Alliance soldiers

-Lured people into a Thresher Maw for research

-Experimented on various creatures from many races



And a bunch of other illegal stuff. Basically, they don't have a very good reputation.

[N0rke]

They really are only pro-human with most of their intentions being based on what humans gain, and it is kind of hard to have a galactic civilization if humans have the most power, which is what Cerberus really aims to do.

[Canned Bullets]

So people hate them because they hate aliens and they do questionable experiments on people.

[Internet Kraken]

Canned Bullets wrote...

So people hate them because they hate aliens and they do questionable experiments on people.

"Questionable" is an understatement.

[Abirn]

While their experiments were horrific, they are the only ones in the galaxy to recognize the reaper threat and want to do something about it.

[marshalleck]

Internet Kraken wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

So people hate them because they hate aliens and they do questionable experiments on people.

"Questionable" is an understatement.

Pfft, what's a little thresher maw venom injected in your veins? It might not kill you horribly.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

I don't support racists, even if the members of Cerberus for my mission aren't racists they were probably cherry picked so I would feel comfortable.



Even if Cerberus doesn't "hate" aliens, they still want a human supremacy and that is still racism. I opt for coexistence and peace between the species where it is possible, Cerberus by nature doesn't.



Honestly it's offensive and I'm ashamed that such a group exists, humans enter the galactic community and here is Cerberus arrogant enough to say "Move over aliens, we'll get this done right!" and then aim to put all humans on top.



If Cerberus was like the STG and protecting humanity, while not also trying to subjugate the other races I would support them. Having organizations with the interests of each species while also a layer of government that over sees all species is the smartest thing to do.

[Lew717]

Nah it's clearly stated in game that Cerberus are divided into several cells and each have different methods

Maybe be the good guys are majority

[mjwoltsknar]

Canned Bullets wrote...

So people hate them because they hate aliens and they do questionable experiments on people.

well i guess if you can call
- experimenting on children and aliens
- attempting to create superhuman mutant soldiers
- massacring an entire colony using thresher maws
- assassinations
- sabotage
- terrorism
- bringing people back from the dead

"questionable experiments". then yes, that's why everyone hates them. plus they are one of your main enemies in mass effect 1.

[marshalleck]

mjwoltsknar wrote...

plus they are one of your main enemies in mass effect 1.

Hardly. They're in a few side quests that have no bearing on the main story.

[Breakdown Boy]

Almost like the CIA....

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

marshalleck wrote...

mjwoltsknar wrote...

plus they are one of your main enemies in mass effect 1.

Hardly. They're in a few side quests that have no bearing on the main story.

They still were a reoccuring enemy, not your main enemy but a nemesis nonetheless.

[marshalleck]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

mjwoltsknar wrote...

plus they are one of your main enemies in mass effect 1.

Hardly. They're in a few side quests that have no bearing on the main story.

They still were a reoccuring enemy, not your main enemy but a nemesis nonetheless.

Yeah, but they have absolutely no effect on the story at all. You can go through the entire game not touching anything related to Cerberus and nothing is different as a result.

[Speakeasy13]

marshalleck wrote...

mjwoltsknar wrote...

plus they are one of your main enemies in mass effect 1.

Hardly. They're in a few side quests that have no bearing on the main story.

Don't forget they were directly behind the Thorian and Rachni threats, both of which are an intergral part of the ME1 storyline.

[FVK209]

I remember the anti-human treatment of the council (and council races) in ME1. That's why a had them killed and that's why I supported Cerberus fully ME2. I don't believe that any alien would lend a hand if earth got attacked. Why don't the Turians, Asari or Salarians give any of the other species any kind of reasonable power or say? because they're the most powerful races and they love their powerful positions.



I read Revelation, the council has always been biased towards their own species. They didn't care about Eden prime. Humanity has to look out for itself.

[Lew717]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

mjwoltsknar wrote...

plus they are one of your main enemies in mass effect 1.

Hardly. They're in a few side quests that have no bearing on the main story.

Don't forget they were directly behind the Thorian and Rachni threats, both of which are an intergral part of the ME1 storyline.

I thought saren and his matriach sidekick are behind them.

[marshalleck]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Don't forget they were directly behind the Thorian and Rachni threats, both of which are an intergral part of the ME1 storyline.

Wrong.

Saren and Benezia were behind those. They needed the Thorian for the Cipher so Saren could understand the messages from the beacons and they needed the rachni for the location of the Mu relay.

Cerberus merely piggy-backed some minor research projects on them.

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 février 2010 - 05:47 .

[Breakdown Boy]

Cerberus have a cowboy metality, where team leaders are given free rain with very little accountability, this is created by their very lax reporting structure which then gives TIM deniability as an excuse 'it wasn't us, it was a rogue unit..."

[OfTheFaintSmile]

FVK209 wrote...

I remember the anti-human treatment of the council (and council races) in ME1. That's why a had them killed and that's why I supported Cerberus fully ME2. I don't believe that any alien would lend a hand if earth got attacked. Why don't the Turians, Asari or Salarians give any of the other species any kind of reasonable power or say? because they're the most powerful races and they love their powerful positions.

I read Revelation, the council has always been biased towards their own species. They didn't care about Eden prime. Humanity has to look out for itself.

Exactly, but people (paragons especially) have this fantasy where they can co-exist with other aliens and lean on them in times of crises, just like the council huh? naive...

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

[quote]FVK209 wrote...

I remember the anti-human treatment of the council (and council races) in ME1. That's why a had them killed and that's why I supported Cerberus fully ME2.[/quote]So because you experienced racism you support racism?

Well isn't that a wonderful cycle.[quote] I don't believe that any alien would lend a hand if earth got attacked.[/quote]
Why don't the Turians, Asari or Salarians give any of the other species any kind of reasonable power or say? because they're the most powerful races and they love their powerful positions.[/quote]
That's politics... the US, European Nations, and China look out for themselves the most and push the other smaller nations around all of the time. Humans are already being given a lot more respect than the other races, we're also the ones that were colonizing near the Terminus systems against the advice for the Council. If you don't do what mommy and daddy says, you can't come running back demanding they do something because you got burned while playing with the stove top. 

Humans have to show their strength and determination, that was the way we would have shown our worth to the galactic community and continue to grow. We're just too inpatient and arrogant to see that.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

OfTheFaintSmile wrote...

FVK209 wrote...

I remember the anti-human treatment of the council (and council races) in ME1. That's why a had them killed and that's why I supported Cerberus fully ME2. I don't believe that any alien would lend a hand if earth got attacked. Why don't the Turians, Asari or Salarians give any of the other species any kind of reasonable power or say? because they're the most powerful races and they love their powerful positions.

I read Revelation, the council has always been biased towards their own species. They didn't care about Eden prime. Humanity has to look out for itself.

Exactly, but people (paragons especially) have this fantasy where they can co-exist with other aliens and lean on them in times of crises, just like the council huh? naive...

Paragons don't necessarily want humans to be dependent on the other species, that would be foolish. But wanting to subjugate them? That's entirely different, that is the problem with Cerebrus. It has its benefits but also you'd have to get in bed with the devil.

[Kileyan]

Canned Bullets wrote...

So people hate them because they hate aliens and they do questionable experiments on people.

No, they hate them because their uniforms are so cool it invites envy. The whole torturing and doing terrible experiments on people is just a side thing.

Duh of course they hate them because they do terrible things to people against their will in the name of humanity. Is that not bad enough for you, what did you want to hear, they assault and degrade the test subjects before they experiment on them. THat is likely true to. Cerebus doesn't do all the work themselves, they contract it out to those shady enough to take the jobs. I'm sure their contractors do worse than even Cerebus would admit "on the books" See the Jack loyalty mission, ick. .