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[F3ralCr]

So... That chick you go see is supposed to be his half-sister, yes? Maric only had one child with Fiona according to the books.

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

Its his mothers daughter not Maric's daughter, thats why shes only half.

[AntiChri5]

Lets not forget that Alistairs information is cobbled together from sources we dont know and could be unreliable. I believe Maric promised Fiona that the baby would not find out his mothers identity.



Pretty sure not even Eamon knows about Fiona.

[SusanStoHelit]

Why are you assuming that Alistair is Fiona's son? That has not been established.

Edit: And, yes, Goldanna is his half-sister, as well.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 11 février 2010 - 07:42 .

[AntiChri5]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

Why are you assuming that Alistair is Fiona's son? That has not been established.

Edit: And, yes, Goldanna is his half-sister, as well.

How many sons of Maric does Duncan look in on?

Besides this is fantasy. He has to be. Would be breaking several laws of the Genre (set down by Pratchet) if he wasnt.

[Leonia]

Here comes the "Who is Alistair's mother" debate again. It makes sense that Goldana would be a half-sister (if indeed that story is the truth since they would share a mother but not a father). Loghain at least believes Alistair was born before Rowan died so, I dunno what to believe. Chances are, Maric spread a few lies to try and protect Fiona, maybe making Eamon, Loghain, and others (not Duncan though, he knows the truth) believe that this servant of Redcliffe's child is indeed Alistair (and thus a half-brother to Goldana). Of course, that's the theory I am running with for now, there are heaps of other ones out there.

[Jaulen]

OOoh, wouldn't that be a nifty plot twist.....the Alistair we know and made King isn't really the ill-begotten offspring of Maric!!!! Maric's REAL child is still out and about and incognito.

[T-Kay]

The prince and the pauper is so overdone already anyway, finding out about Alistairs background made me sigh and shake my head. Alistair's quest was horrendous as well. No emotion, no attachment. Zilch. Morrigan and Leliana's quests were much better.

[MishenNikara]

T-Kay wrote...

The prince and the pauper is so overdone already anyway, finding out about Alistairs background made me sigh and shake my head. Alistair's quest was horrendous as well. No emotion, no attachment. Zilch. Morrigan and Leliana's quests were much better.

Kinda hard to have a strong attachment to someone you just met.  But seeing Alistair pretty much having his soul and hopes crushed, stomped on, and squished between Goldanna's toes isn't emotional?

If that argument doesn't work for you, I know losing money to that b**** for no reason got me emotional if nothing else <_<

[T-Kay]

MishenNikara wrote...

T-Kay wrote...

The prince and the pauper is so overdone already anyway, finding out about Alistairs background made me sigh and shake my head. Alistair's quest was horrendous as well. No emotion, no attachment. Zilch. Morrigan and Leliana's quests were much better.

Kinda hard to have a strong attachment to someone you just met.  But seeing Alistair pretty much having his soul and hopes crushed, stomped on, and squished between Goldanna's toes isn't emotional?

If that argument doesn't work for you, I know losing money to that b**** for no reason got me emotional if nothing else <_<

True, I never got the chance to give her money. I got pissed off at her stuck up attitude. Seriously, a rich (wait, when were we rich in the game? I wasn't at the time.) kings descendant tells you he's your brother and the only thing you can think off is getting him out of your house asap? Goldana is delusional and unreal character. His quest was not emotional, it was ridiculous. I wish you got the option to kill her. And then her children and animals and wait for her husband to come home and kill him too.

[ejoslin]

Goldanna also struck me as extremely stupid. If she were really after money, she would have been sweet as honey if she had half a brain. I wanted to cut out her tongue, but Alistair said no.

[T-Kay]

Don't forget that Alistair is extremely stupid as well.

[Kryyptehk]

I think Anders is Fiona's son because he is a mage, mostly. I think Alistair is the Redcliffe servant's because Goldanna had to have seen her mother pregnant in order to know about any baby. So either Maric knew one of his servants was pregnant and convinced her to tell her daughter (and other people I suppose) it was his, or it WAS his.



But, I'm not entirely sure. I'd rather wait for someone to confirm something.

[MishenNikara]

T-Kay wrote...

Don't forget that Alistair is extremely stupid as well.

Yes, but unlike Goldanna his stupid is cheese-loving adorable.  Her's is just....well I've already used that choice word to describe her.

[Leonia]

If Alistair is NOT Maric's son, then I feel sorry for him having to go through the whole ordeal of the landsmeet. As if life hasn't been unfair enough to him already.

[pudi0072000]

How is Alistair NOT Maric's son? He and Cailan look almost identical.







Besides, what's the point in telling some kid he's the King's son, but he has no right to the throne and he should never get any funny ideas. That doesn't make any sense...

[Jaulen]

(as to the looks thing, I wish I could screen capture, cause there are some others that look suspiciously like Cailan....maybe shoddy art work? Ie, here we have a decent looking human male, take this base model and tweak it some to make a new character...heck there are a lot of similar looking females running about out there in Ferelden)

I was thinking about this and was thinking of it this way....
Fiona wanted her kid hidden, so it wasn't raised to know it's mother and it could have a normal life.
So then I thought, King has a pregnant serving girl who has a baby that dies at birth along with the mother (doesn't matter if it's the king's or not), Perfect! Pay off the little sister, tell her bro and mom are dead and send her on her merry way. Meanwhile, take Fiona's child, give it to Eamon with the serving girl backstory, and the it gets raised as the bast@rd child of Maric and a serving girl and not Maric and Fiona. Said kid grows up and finds proof to support everything he's been told his whole life.

BUT, whith the whole thing about magic running in families......makes me think Alistair was either really lucky the magic gene passed him up, or he's not Fiona's kid.

Bioware I want answers!

And I've only ever given her money once. rest of the time I let her stew in her nastiness and get Alistair to leave without giving her money. In fact, last time he wanted to give her money I said "Nope"

Modifié par Jaulen, 12 février 2010 - 06:19 .

[Addai]

Alistair does have limited magic ability as a templar. He says he was good at it, too, though he mentions the training and discipline specifically rather than the magical side. As for the resemblance to Cailan, yes it's staring you in the face and I'm not sure how I didn't notice it on my first game! Anora even says that marrying Alistair would be like marrying Cailan's twin.

I am inclined to think that it's just what Jaulen said above. Maric was looking for a way to raise Alistair away from court and allow him to believe his mother was dead. He put the word out to his closest friends, Eamon being one, and in Eamon's household there was a servant woman who had died in childbirth and the baby had died, too. Voila. The question is how the word got out that the bastard was Maric's. Maric had said he wanted the child to be free of both his and Fiona's legacy, but somehow not only Goldanna but others thought that the baby was the king's. I am guessing they were forced into this as a foil. There would be no need for secrecy if a baby had been any other nobleman's bastard- as Sergeant Kylon lets us know, the nobles were pretty much proud of their illegitimate sons- but if it was the king's then it would be understood that he needed to be kept secret and sidelined.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 février 2010 - 06:36 .

[Sialater]

Eamon spilled the beans about him being Maric's son to shut up Isolde. All that whining got to him. It just backfired since she didn't believe him.

[Addai]

Sialater wrote...

Eamon spilled the beans about him being Maric's son to shut up Isolde. All that whining got to him. It just backfired since she didn't believe him.

Heh, you could be onto something there.  I could definitely see Isolde as having been the squeaky spring on that little poorly-kept secret.  On his own Eamon would no doubt have let the rumors stand that Alistair was his, until he found himself whipped... uh, smitten... and told Isolde at least who the father really was.  This doesn't explain how Goldanna got the idea that it was the king's baby.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Eamon spilled the beans about him being Maric's son to shut up Isolde. All that whining got to him. It just backfired since she didn't believe him.

Heh, you could be onto something there.  I could definitely see Isolde as having been the squeaky spring on that little poorly-kept secret.  On his own Eamon would no doubt have let the rumors stand that Alistair was his, until he found himself whipped... uh, smitten... and told Isolde at least who the father really was.  This doesn't explain how Goldanna got the idea that it was the king's baby.

It could just be delusional kid syndrome - Maric went to visit about that time, maid gets pregnant, daughter either assumes it was the king's, or the maid lies about it for some attention, or tells her daughter such because she doesn't want to reveal who the father really is.

Or, heck, Goldanna has just been a harpy since the beginning and attempted to get some money by claiming the babe was the king's, as it would be difficult to prove otherwise, at least while the child was young.

[SurelyForth]

Or they could have been planning to use the maid as Alistair's wetnurse, so maybe she (the maid) knew that the baby was important and told Goldanna. Goldanna was probably very young so getting the details confused would not have been difficult.

[Darkannex]

I can't say I 'liked' the Goldanna quest - but I can appreciate it in terms of the effect on Alistair. In the fade you see his dreams of having a happy family and loving sister. His main motivation always seems to be having a family. He talks about the GW's as that, when Loghain is chosen to live he storms about never having him as a 'brother', and the Goldanna thing just fits with his personal quest.



I pretty much knew that it wasn't going to turn out like in the Fade, but I was unprepared by the total vitriol that cosumed Goldanna. From her standpoint Alistair is the source of all that has plagued her. His birth killed 'her' mother, caused her lifelong hardship and seeing well dressed, well fed, and famous? Alistair strut in all 'ta-da!' surely hit all the wrong notes with an overstressed, overworked, single? mother with mouths to feed and work to do.



If she were slightly more intelligent she could have buttered him up, but the fact that she verbally assaulted him and went money grubbing while doing it showed a lack of pretense that was actually pretty refreshing. XD No questions what she wanted.



I did feel pretty bad for Alistair-but the game goes out of the way to paint him as an emotional idealist. He lets his emotions override him and then regrets it later.

[SusanStoHelit]

Alright, I know what makes you think he's Fiona's son, but everything that's been given is inference and circumstantial evidence. Alistair COULD be Fiona's son, but perhaps he's not. We just don't know. We do know that he's Maric's son. And the fact that Alistair has templar abilities and so has some kind of affinity with magic could be explained by his elven serving wench mother: he's elven blooded.



And his sister is NOT a child of Maric. She's the child of an elven servant at Redcliffe - and someone.

[Addai]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

Alright, I know what makes you think he's Fiona's son, but everything that's been given is inference and circumstantial evidence. Alistair COULD be Fiona's son, but perhaps he's not. We just don't know. We do know that he's Maric's son. And the fact that Alistair has templar abilities and so has some kind of affinity with magic could be explained by his elven serving wench mother: he's elven blooded.

And his sister is NOT a child of Maric. She's the child of an elven servant at Redcliffe - and someone.

??  Where is there a reference to the Redcliffe serving woman as an elf?  Goldanna is human, and I'm not aware of any reference to the servant woman as having been elven.

I for one am quite aware that we don't know Alistair is Fiona's son (we don't really know he's Maric's, either, if you want to get deep into conspiracy theory... we would only know that if Maric had recognized him).  Circumstantial evidence is strong for Fiona as the babymama, however, and since I want her to be, that's enough for me until I hear otherwise. 

Modifié par Addai67, 12 février 2010 - 09:05 .