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[Skilled Seeker]

I have no problem with DLC. To me they are like expanded and polished side quests for the price of a meal. And I'd rather have these bitesized chunks inbetween the bigger expansions than nothing at all.

[grieferbastard]

You know I used to get into these debates every time they came up. I got into this one, wrote a detailed response on page 4 or so. On other threads I've linked to financial data on EA, game development and distribution costs, etc.

In the end though it's a waste of time. There are a couple of people who want to try and divorce the realities of pricing an entertainment product and the business model that drives that price from what should be charged to it - which is, well, honestly? Just silly.

What it comes down to is trying to find some justification beyond personal preference for buying or not buying DLC. Trying to pretend that you've got some greater justification for not bying DLC than 'it doesn't feel worth the cost to me' when you have absolutely no actual facts or financial data to back it up is, again, just silly.

Calling it 'pure corporate greed'. That one cracks me up the most. Back that up. Show me somewhere, anywhere, that the DLC BioWare has sold is more profitable or even as profitable as DA:O has been. Show me what the profit margin is to base that estimate on. All the publically available data points to DLC being less cost-effective - hence nobody really does it or has ever done it. Games are more profitable. Show me in fact any game publisher who's making as much profit as, say, any cellphone company or internet ISP of a comperable size or even place in the market.

These arguments though are not about facts or reality. Implied but unsubstantiated facts are just strawman arguments to try and justify a personal preference or a desire to create malfeance where none exist. As though somehow getting people to agree with an inherently flawed premise will make it true and magically all DLC will either be free or unprofitable in the future - just, well, because it ought to be gosh darn it!

Tempted to get back into it, but I already did on page 4.

[Yrkoon]

Kalfear wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

If they didn't charge you wouldn't have DLC, simple as that. They won't make something like Ostagar and give it away for free or for less than $5 because they would lose money in making it.

The DLC has voice actors, character actors, animation, music etc etc. They need to charge something for it. In the UK its the price of McDonalds meal.

People think pricing should be done by hour.  Game 60 hours, price 60 dollars therefore $1 per hour of DLC/expansion.  Business just doesnt work like that.  They either charge a price for it that covers the costs, or they don't make it.

ahhh the troll hits.

So justatroll  explain to me how they can make a game thats 60-90 hours long with voice actors, publisher costs, box costs, advertising costs, ect and charge $65.00 for it and make a profit but

According to you and yours

doing a DLC that cuts out over half of the normal box set costs cant make the same profit (or better) doing the same 1 hour content per $1 spent? You do realize 60 hours at $65.00 is basically 1 hour content pre $1.00 spent. Or that little bit of common sence and logic go over your head?

I would love to hear this explained as none of you blind fanatics have been able to, in this topic or any other.

My god, I sure hope I never was such a bland fanatic of Bioware as this Justin guy that seems to get into every thread with his rah rah rah blind devotion. It is possible to like a company and still question some of its movements and choices Justatroll, You dont need to blindly support them on every catagory (with out thought which you appearently have done pat).

DA:O was a fantastic game andf best fantasy RPG I ever played but that doesnt mean they get a instant pass on the DLC. Why shouldnt the DLC be held to the same standards as the original game is?

Ha!  Who's attacking who again?

By the way, your  straw man-question has been answered at least  a dozen times   on this thread alone.    So much for your own blindness.


There's no financial or logical  basis for a $1 per  1 hour  premise.  Entertainment value is  not measured by the hour, and Bioware did not determine the price of their dlc's  OR the Original campaign  on estimated "play-length".

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 février 2010 - 02:39 .

[ladydesire]

Kalfear wrote...

ladydesire wrote...

Kalfear wrote...


Still count me on the "just say no to Bioware DLC until they change their attitude and put quality over blind corperate greed" list

Don't you mean "put me on the list of people that think Bioware employees should work for next to nothing"? We don't know how much of what EA charges for the DLC is passed on to Bioware, since even though you buy the points on points.bioware.com (for PC at least), it's actually an EA server that handles the transaction. We also don't know how much Bioware gets from DLC sales on Xbox Live and PSN, so they may not be getting as much as some people think.

Since I already demonstrated that 5 hours for 5 dollars is still better then original game release profits.

I guess you know better than Bioware what it costs for them to make a 5 hour DLC, right?

Guess your just trolling for attention!

Nope.

Last time I looked, a 70% profit margin isnt working for peanuts, but hey what do I know, im sure you in your 15 years of life have had greater experiences

I wonder where you get the idea that anyone is making 70% profit on the DLC; EA hasn't posted actual income numbers for DA:O or any of the DLCs that I'm aware of. All they have posted anything about is number of units sold, which doesn't mean a whole lot without a full cost analysis, which would include quite a bit of data that we currently do not have, but can make udcated guess on, given similar numbers that we do have access to.

[Yrkoon]

ladydesire wrote...

Last time I looked, a 70% profit margin isnt working for peanuts, but hey what do I know, im sure you in your 15 years of life have had greater experiences

I wonder where you get the idea that anyone is making 70% profit on the DLC; EA hasn't posted actual income numbers for DA:O or any of the DLCs that I'm aware of.

He made it up. 

[CaptainAlex2000]

Well how about this... I want Bioware to make ungodly amounts of money off of Dragon Age.

I want EA and Bioware to make so much money off of this that:

 they hire hundreds of new employees, and say: "okay pump out a new Dragon Age game every year and an expansion game every 6 months. "

I want Dragon Age to be for RPGs what Madden is to sports games. And if buying DLCs and expansion packs gets me there, well I will oblige.

Modifié par CaptainAlex2000, 14 février 2010 - 05:19 .

[DomiiMai]

Yrkoon wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...Do you think they would even take a second look at and your "people" on the other side of the fence?

In point of fact, they've given me good cause to believe they do.

Sure sure, and they gave me a little pony.

The_One is  right on this point.  Bioware has a history of listening to the community, and at the very least, compromising  with the "other side of the fence" if not flat out catering to them  (which they've also done in  some instances)

There's a very recent example to point to, in fact.   RTO was initially suppose to sell for $7.50.  They lowered the price to $5.00 after some rather extended community  pressure.

Right. You wish.
However, good luck on ever getting RTO for free. Cause you wont.

[Yrkoon]

DomiiMai wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

The_One is  right on this point.  Bioware has a history of listening to the community, and at the very least, compromising  with the "other side of the fence" if not flat out catering to them  (which they've also done in  some instances)

There's a very recent example to point to, in fact.   RTO was initially suppose to sell for $7.50.  They lowered the price to $5.00 after some rather extended community  pressure.

Right. You wish.

I wasn't stating an opinion.  And    I gave you an example of something that has *already* occured.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 février 2010 - 07:24 .

[the_one_54321]

DomiiMai wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...Do you think they would even take a second look at and your "people" on the other side of the fence?

In point of fact, they've given me good cause to believe they do.

Sure sure, and they gave me a little pony.

The_One is  right on this point.  Bioware has a history of listening to the community, and at the very least, compromising  with the "other side of the fence" if not flat out catering to them  (which they've also done in  some instances)

There's a very recent example to point to, in fact.   RTO was initially suppose to sell for $7.50.  They lowered the price to $5.00 after some rather extended community  pressure.

Right. You wish.
However, good luck on ever getting RTO for free. Cause you wont.

I'm not making it up, and I didn't tell them to make it free. Twice in topics like this I have had a dev specifically discuss my points with me.

And without shouting or sarcasm, what's more. Yeah, some of us can disagree with the devs and be respectful about it.

[DomiiMai]

Sure. Proof please. Till then, it's not true.

[AlanC9]

Proof that RTO was announced at $7.50?

[Kalfear]

the_one_54321 wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...Do you think they would even take a second look at and your "people" on the other side of the fence?

In point of fact, they've given me good cause to believe they do.

Sure sure, and they gave me a little pony.

The_One is  right on this point.  Bioware has a history of listening to the community, and at the very least, compromising  with the "other side of the fence" if not flat out catering to them  (which they've also done in  some instances)

There's a very recent example to point to, in fact.   RTO was initially suppose to sell for $7.50.  They lowered the price to $5.00 after some rather extended community  pressure.

Right. You wish.
However, good luck on ever getting RTO for free. Cause you wont.

I'm not making it up, and I didn't tell them to make it free. Twice in topics like this I have had a dev specifically discuss my points with me.

And without shouting or sarcasm, what's more. Yeah, some of us can disagree with the devs and be respectful about it.

These the attack kiddies I was talking about
No one but them have said for free but their attack posts make even less sence when you go by whats really saids so they attack attack attack like teen agers taking all their aggressions from the real world out on the cyber world.

I guarentee you if you met any of these mighty mouthed cyber posers, they would shrivel into a ball and say yes sir, no maam, and what ever gets them outta a confrontation fastest.

[ladydesire]

Kalfear wrote...


These the attack kiddies I was talking about
No one but them have said for free

Actually, it was one of "your people" that first brought up free.

but their attack posts make even less sence

What attack posts? The posts stating that DLC isn't as cheap to make, or bringing in as much money as people think?

If Bioware doesn't think they will make enough off of the DLC at costs below $5 to make the time investment required worthwhile, then all the posts in the world asking for them to lower the cost of the DLC won't help your cause.

[the_one_54321]

DomiiMai wrote...
Sure. Proof please. Till then, it's not true.

I have no intention of going hunting for old posts. Believe or not at your own discretion. Both Stan Woo and David Gaider have talked with me about my views on this and both exchanges were polite and thoughtful. Whether or not you choose to believe me, it happened.

[DomiiMai]

the_one_54321 wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...
Sure. Proof please. Till then, it's not true.

I have no intention of going hunting for old posts. Believe or not at your own discretion. Both Stan Woo and David Gaider have talked with me about my views on this and both exchanges were polite and thoughtful. Whether or not you choose to believe me, it happened.

Oh that's too bad.
I wonder why you don't feel like looking it up.. hmm.
Is it because there aren't any so you made up a temporary excuse like "I don't feel like looking it up"?
Well, no matter. Good luck next time. Don't make up stuff.
No one likes a liar.

@Kalfear
You're one angry individual
They have medication for that and also therapy.
I believe they call it 'anger management'. Look into it, buddy.

Modifié par DomiiMai, 14 février 2010 - 10:28 .

[Red Frostraven]

Truth be told, and no hard feelings, they DID charge me 100$ for a 20 hour main campaign...

So 5$ for 1 hour IS in line with the price for the original campaign.

[Kalfear]

Red Frostraven wrote...

Truth be told, and no hard feelings, they DID charge me 100$ for a 20 hour main campaign...

So 5$ for 1 hour IS in line with the price for the original campaign.

Name of product please

DA:O came in at 60-90 hours on the majority average so I know you not talking about it
Plus DA:O wasnt $100.00 so thats double proff your not refering to DA:O

Modifié par Kalfear, 15 février 2010 - 05:19 .

[Eurypterid]

People, there are too many personal attacks in this thread. Cool it down and discuss things in a civil manner or it will be shut down.

[Mordaedil]

Kalfear wrote...

Red Frostraven wrote...

Truth be told, and no hard feelings, they DID charge me 100$ for a 20 hour main campaign...

So 5$ for 1 hour IS in line with the price for the original campaign.

Name of product please

DA:O came in at 60-90 hours on the majority average so I know you not talking about it
Plus DA:O wasnt $100.00 so thats double proff your not refering to DA:O

Actually, if he is Australian or from New Zealand, there's a pretty good chance he did pay $100 for DA:O.

[the_one_54321]

DomiiMai wrote...
Oh that's too bad.
I wonder why you don't feel like looking it up.. hmm.
Is it because there aren't any so you made up a temporary excuse like "I don't feel like looking it up"?
Well, no matter. Good luck next time. Don't make up stuff.
No one likes a liar.

Yeah, because I'd obviously just lie about the things David Gaidre and Stan Woo have said. Don't you think that if I were just making it up, they'd say that I was just making it up? Or that one of the mods would tell me to stop lying about devs? 

[Kalfear]

Mordaedil wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Red Frostraven wrote...

Truth be told, and no hard feelings, they DID charge me 100$ for a 20 hour main campaign...

So 5$ for 1 hour IS in line with the price for the original campaign.

Name of product please

DA:O came in at 60-90 hours on the majority average so I know you not talking about it
Plus DA:O wasnt $100.00 so thats double proff your not refering to DA:O

Actually, if he is Australian or from New Zealand, there's a pretty good chance he did pay $100 for DA:O.

Yikes, thats just nasty!

Still doesnt jive with his 20 hour statement!
No getting around the fact that most folks that posted their times said 60-90 hour range!

Honestly, I cant see how anyone could finish DA:O (the first time) in under 40 hours undless you literally turned off cut screnes and ignored all writting and story plots.

If thats the case, I gotta ask, why play at all?

@DomiMia
Thats it, feed the cyber bully personality you trying to show, make us all shake at your cyber bully persona!

LOL, funny think is, he gets attention from mod and still hasnt said anything relevant to topic (any topic) just attack attack attack.

You remind me of BAD ALAN from 2 and 1/2 men.
And dont strain to hard, your the half

Modifié par Kalfear, 15 février 2010 - 06:01 .

[DomiiMai]

@Kalfear
Yup, you need anger management. haha.
Well good luck on that, buddy. Hope you get it figured out.

Just because someone is giving you advice for your issues doesn't mean the world is after you
or attacking you. Good therapy will get you through all those stress and paranoia.
I'm sorry if my words seem to be bullying you. It's a helpful advice.
I just figured since you're assuming the worst of things and thinking
everything is after you I thought I'd just let you know that there are people out there who can help you.
Enjoy Dragon Age and try not to rage on the forums too much, friend.

Have a lovely day.

Modifié par DomiiMai, 15 février 2010 - 06:48 .

[AlanC9]

Kalfear wrote...

Red Frostraven wrote...

Truth be told, and no hard feelings, they DID charge me 100$ for a 20 hour main campaign...

So 5$ for 1 hour IS in line with the price for the original campaign.

Name of product please

DA:O came in at 60-90 hours on the majority average so I know you not talking about it
Plus DA:O wasnt $100.00 so thats double proff your not refering to DA:O

I dunno about the $100 figure. But he never said he finished DA, so 20 hours isn't impossible.

[Sabriana]

Eurypterid wrote...

People, there are too many personal attacks in this thread. Cool it down and discuss things in a civil manner or it will be shut down.

Truth be told, that might actually be the kindest thing to do. Shutting it down, I mean, not being uncivil.

[stubbieAussie]

Well I live in Sydney Australia and the retail store price for DA;O is currently $90 and when it was initally released it was indeed $100.
I do find it hard to believe that anyone could do the main campaign in 20 hours in their first run though, but I would not say it is impossible.

And I am happy to pay $5 for download content. I think that is good value. Cost of a cup of coffee or a schooner of beer.

Much better than paying $20 a month just to be allowed to play your game