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[Phonantiphon]

Oh I wanna go too! :OD

Personally if you don't want to pay for it then don't. I think DLC is a great idea and well worth it. Besides, why should you get something for nothing? Neither EA nor Bioware owes you anything. Nobody forced you to buy the game and nobody is forcing you to buy the DLC.

I really don't see what the big deal is tbh.

[the_one_54321]

*throws hands up*

Why do we even bother providing so much information and analysis if no one even bothers to read any of it...



PEOPLE when there are 11 pages of posts, there may actually be something in there worth reading. Give it a try some time.

[Sylvius the Mad]

the_one_54321 wrote...

But there are 200 million of us that bought the game. That adds up if you can sway a few minds your way, because each of those 200 million individuals is going to make some kind of a value judgement, and the sumation of all those decisions is going to dictate how BioWare and EA approach this in the future.

There is value is moving the margins of public opinion.  Since vendors seeking a large market will typically target something approximating the median opinion (with variance for income distribution), moving the margins will subtly move the median.

I don't find your position on this issue particularly coherent, and thus I find it unpersuasive.

[ladydesire]

the_one_54321 wrote...

*throws hands up*
Why do we even bother providing so much information and analysis if no one even bothers to read any of it...

PEOPLE when there are 11 pages of posts, there may actually be something in there worth reading. Give it a try some time.

I'd love for someone from Bioware to post what it costs for them to make a one hour DLC, and how much they actually get from the sales of said DLC. If those numbers were known, I wonder how many people would still claim they are being overcharged for such content.

[ladydesire]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

But there are 200 million of us that bought the game. That adds up if you can sway a few minds your way, because each of those 200 million individuals is going to make some kind of a value judgement, and the sumation of all those decisions is going to dictate how BioWare and EA approach this in the future.

There is value is moving the margins of public opinion.  Since vendors seeking a large market will typically target something approximating the median opinion (with variance for income distribution), moving the margins will subtly move the median.

I don't find your position on this issue particularly coherent, and thus I find it unpersuasive.

I don't think he got his numbers anywhere close in the post you quoted...

[Jace Surana]

To be honest, I don't see the big deal here. It's really entirely your chice as to whether or not you buy the content. I personally found paying $5 for another romp through Ostagar and the chance to bury poor Cailan and get his armor well worth it.

I remember when spinning rims first came out and were very popular. I thought (and still do think) that they're useless and stupid, a huge waste of cash for a dumb decoration on your car. However, I didn't complain and rage about how the people making these rims were charging too much for them. Because, since I didn't even like them, I DIDN'T PAY FOR THEM. And if I did like them, I wouldn't complain about the price, seeing as how I couldn't make them myself.

My point is, people who are complaining about the "high" price of 5 bucks for this content because it was short and not even worth their time are contradicting themselves. If it's so not worth your time, then the price shouldn't bother you because you're not going to pay for it. Perhaps they're complaining because they actually do want the expansion, and don't find it as worthless as they pretend they do? In which case, if you buy it you're getting what you want and your small change is well spent.

So which is it, complainers? Do you not like the expansion and therefore aren't buying it (thus cancelling any reason you really have to complain) or do you really want it, yet just want it for free? (which would be silly of Bioware to make it so, seeing as how you're proof that such content is desired greatly, thus actually giving customers their money's worth).

[Babaghanouj]

ladydesire wrote...

I'd love for someone from Bioware to post what it costs for them to make a one hour DLC, and how much they actually get from the sales of said DLC. If those numbers were known, I wonder how many people would still claim they are being overcharged for such content.

Facts count for nothing. This is the Internet, truth has no place! It would make little difference. They'd just find something else to whine about. Some people simply do not want to be pleased. The game and all DLCs could be free, yet they'd still ****** and moan.

[Sylvius the Mad]

ladydesire wrote...

I don't think he got his numbers anywhere close in the post you quoted...

No he didn't.

If BioWare sold 200 million copies they'd out-gross Avatar.

[the_one_54321]

The correction came several posts later. Again, a little bit of reading can go a long way.

[the_one_54321]

Babaghanouj wrote...

ladydesire wrote...
I'd love for someone from Bioware to post what it costs for them to make a one hour DLC, and how much they actually get from the sales of said DLC. If those numbers were known, I wonder how many people would still claim they are being overcharged for such content.

Facts count for nothing. This is the Internet, truth has no place! It would make little difference. They'd just find something else to whine about. Some people simply do not want to be pleased. The game and all DLCs could be free, yet they'd still ****** and moan.

ONCE AGAIN, feel free to read some of the many many posts that have already been made. It may help you to avoid putting your feet in your mouths.

Many of us aren't asking, in the slightest, that this stuff be free.

Several considerations for the cost of production have also already been addressed in this very thread. When you consider all the work that has already been done by virtue of the fact that there is already a 100% complete game and all the tools and foot work have been completed along with it, the whole "it costs a lot to produce this" dried up really quickly. I would never argue that they spend nothing to produce it, but, in yet one more way, DLC just doesn't compar to the original game. There is no way the rates of expendature are the same between the two. The largest expense they could possibly have would be paying voice actors to return to the studio.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 16 février 2010 - 01:00 .

[purplesunset]

the_one_54321 wrote...

*throws hands up*
Why do we even bother providing so much information and analysis if no one even bothers to read any of it...

PEOPLE when there are 11 pages of posts, there may actually be something in there worth reading. Give it a try some time.

I understand your frustration. Goodness knows I do.

It's the same exact thing that happns to me in the threads about race in Dragon Age.

Just give it up.

I used to disagree with you on the DLC issue, but I read more of your posts and posts by people with similar arguments,and now I have  a much better understanding of your perspectives on this issue.

Most people don't come to messageboards to consider  a different point-of-view, they come to messageboards to air their own.

It's not a back-and-forth discussion. It's one side going backwards, and the other side going forwards, and no one ever sees eye-to-eye on the issue. (Ok, that probably made little sense, but hopefully you get the gist)

Modifié par purplesunset, 16 février 2010 - 01:31 .

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

How much did it cost to get voice actors back to the studio? There were what 8 spoken lines practically? lol. Not to mention, now, not only did they charge you $5 for it, it's completely useless in the long haul. DLC is the only stuff that doesn't transfer to Awakening lol.

[the_one_54321]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I don't find your position on this issue particularly coherent, and thus I find it unpersuasive.

Can you try to look at it from the point of view of the consumer? If the vender wants the best profit margin, the consumer wants it for free. So one side pushes for the highest prices possible and the other side pushes for the lowest price possible. It's simple.

[Babaghanouj]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Babaghanouj wrote...

ladydesire wrote...
I'd love for someone from Bioware to post what it costs for them to make a one hour DLC, and how much they actually get from the sales of said DLC. If those numbers were known, I wonder how many people would still claim they are being overcharged for such content.

Facts count for nothing. This is the Internet, truth has no place! It would make little difference. They'd just find something else to whine about. Some people simply do not want to be pleased. The game and all DLCs could be free, yet they'd still ****** and moan.

ONCE AGAIN, feel free to read some of the many many posts that have already been made. It may help you to avoid putting your feet in your mouths.

Many of us aren't asking, in the slightest, that this stuff be free.

Several considerations for the cost of production have also already been addressed in this very thread. When you consider all the work that has already been done by virtue of the fact that there is already a 100% complete game and all the tools and foot work have been completed along with it, the whole "it costs a lot to produce this" dried up really quickly. I would never argue that they spend nothing to produce it, but, in yet one more way, DLC just doesn't compar to the original game. There is no way the rates of expendature are the same between the two. The largest expense they could possibly have would be paying voice actors to return to the studio.

Lol, this is why I love these threads, people get so preachy. I didn't know they made horses that big! I feel sorry that you can't tell when someone makes a joke. Oh, and I didn't say everyone was demanding it for free. Here, I'll help you pull that foot out of your mouth, guess you should have taken your own advice about reading carefully.

[the_one_54321]

Babaghanouj wrote...
Lol, this is why I love these threads, people get so preachy. I didn't know they made horses that big! I feel sorry that you can't tell when someone makes a joke. Oh, and I didn't say everyone was demanding it for free. Here, I'll help you pull that foot out of your mouth, guess you should have taken your own advice about reading carefully.

Yes, let's all make sweeping generalizations based on misconceptions and then conveniently claim it was a joke when someone points out what we've done. How droll.

[Lucy Glitter]

Was Bring Down The Sky free?

[the_one_54321]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
Was Bring Down The Sky free?

From what I've heard none of those were worth playing, even for free.

[Babaghanouj]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Babaghanouj wrote...
Lol, this is why I love these threads, people get so preachy. I didn't know they made horses that big! I feel sorry that you can't tell when someone makes a joke. Oh, and I didn't say everyone was demanding it for free. Here, I'll help you pull that foot out of your mouth, guess you should have taken your own advice about reading carefully.

Yes, let's all make sweeping generalizations based on misconceptions and then conveniently claim it was a joke when someone points out what we've done. How droll.

Wrong again. I think your toe is caught.

[the_one_54321]

Babaghanouj wrote...
Wrong again. I think your toe is caught.

Do you honestly believe that after you posted this:

Babaghanouj wrote...
They'd just find something else to whine about. Some people simply do
not want to be pleased. The game and all DLCs could be free, yet they'd
still ****** and moan.

I would actually believe you meant it to be a joke? 

[Rictras Shard]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I don't find your position on this issue particularly coherent, and thus I find it unpersuasive.

Can you try to look at it from the point of view of the consumer? If the vender wants the best profit margin, the consumer wants it for free. So one side pushes for the highest prices possible and the other side pushes for the lowest price possible. It's simple.

Yes, but if you don't want it, you don't have to buy it.

[Sylvius the Mad]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I don't find your position on this issue particularly coherent, and thus I find it unpersuasive.

Can you try to look at it from the point of view of the consumer? If the vender wants the best profit margin, the consumer wants it for free. So one side pushes for the highest prices possible and the other side pushes for the lowest price possible. It's simple.

No, the buyer does not want it for free.  That's only the opposite side if the seller wants to sell it for an infinite price, and that's not true.

The seller wants to sell it for the price that maximises revenue.  This is based on a lot of factors, not the least of which is the price elasticity of demand.

There is no direct analog for this from the buyer's perspective.  The seller wants to sell it at a price buyers generally will pay.  No seller will sell a product for nothing, so that desire you describe (wanting the prduct for free) is nonsensical.

The buyer does want to pay as little as possible, but that target price is not zero.  Furthermore, that price is actually determined by exactly the same factors as the seller's price is, as the seller is choosing his price specifically so he can sell it.

The price you're describing doesn't exist unless you only ask questions with the caveat "all else being equal".  But all else isn't equal, so such a question has no relevance in the world.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 16 février 2010 - 07:51 .

[stubbieAussie]

PEOPLE when there are 11 pages of posts, there may actually be something in there worth reading. Give it a try some time.

Haha.
In your reply to my previous post you directed me to read both pages 5 and 6 which I wont because someone else will then say read pages 7 and 8.......and so on and so on.

To read 11 pages of posts, most with quotes and requotes, is both boring to the extreme and a waste of time when all that is being discussed is if a $5 download is worth it or not.

I will admit though that a lot of people seem to want to comment (yes even me) but read 11 pages? no thanks

oh correct that...we now have 13 pages.

Modifié par stubbieAussie, 16 février 2010 - 09:10 .

[Godeshus]

In response to the OP.



I cannot stand DLC. I don't buy it. As hard as I try, I can't think of a better way to make a difference on the dlc strategy.



Op keeps talking about numbers. Your numbers are obviously wrong if DLC is still being created and still making money.



I don't like EA. In fact, I can't stand them. The games they make themselves (in my opinion) are terrible. The problem is, I like a Lot of the games they throw their stamp on. I buy 'em, I play 'em, I like 'em. I'm not going to punish myself because of some messed up sociological idea. As it stands, I like games like DAO more than I dislike EA. Maybe one day that will change. When it does, I'll stop buying anything with an EA stamp on it. If EA charges me 10$ for an account transfer, I won't buy that game. Money talks, and bull**** walks.



Another thing I hear a lot about in regards to the dlc is things like "value" and "worth". DLC is worth EXACTLY how much someone (anyone) is willing to pay for it. To me, dlc is worth diddly squat, cuz I won't pay a dime for it. To others, it may be worth 5, 10, 15, 20$. If EA were to charge 20 for it, and someone was willing to pay it, then it would be worth 20$. Plain and simple.



Moral of the story? Speak with your wallet, not with your anus. If you think capitalism is unfair, move to cuba.



-Godeshus

[Phonantiphon]

It's not worth $5 to me either, it's worth £3.19! :OD
And I think the DLC is great, but again, if you don't want it, don't buy it. No one is forcing you.
So long as they keep making it, and it's good - I will keep buying it.

Modifié par bassmunkee, 16 février 2010 - 11:20 .

[Godeshus]

bassmunkee wrote...

It's not worth $5 to me either, it's worth £3.19! :OD
And I think the DLC is great, but again, if you don't want it, don't buy it. No one is forcing you.
So long as they keep making it, and it's good - I will keep buying it.

OMG FANBOI!!!!   :o:o:o:o:o:o:o



godeshus