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[Offkorn]

ladydesire wrote...

Oh well, if people keep insisting that $5 is too much, I guess Bioware can decide not to make any more DLC.

That would be preferable to these throw-away adventures that add nothing to the game but a couple of items.

Why would you ever go replay Ostagar after the first hour-long playthrough? There are no branching paths, nothing of interest happens there, and the scenery is almost completely recycled. It's nothing but a bit of mindless combat. And it's not even randomized mindless combat (which would allow for some replayability).

You get more engaging storylines for free from Modders (and the one thing they usually lack, Voice Acting, RTO mostly lacks as well).

Warden's Keep at least added some new scenery and a somewhat interesting choice in how the narrative played out. It was worth $5... too bad they charged $7 for it.

Modifié par Offkorn, 12 février 2010 - 11:37 .

[MightySword]

heh, to be honest I don't like DLC, the only thing I bought was WK, and honestly it's enough to convince me that  I probably won't ever buy another DLC. However I'm not really complaining about it for a number of reasons, and they're not the "they're ripping us off!!!" or "don't like it don't buy it" line of argument. To be quite blunt, putting up those reason forward is like asking your behind to be painted or provoke some kind of reactions. Well, with all thing considered and moderated: to me, the DLC is a leeway or bonus reward for Bioware ATM. You spent a lot of time on something and when it comes to bear fruit I think you're entitled to a period of cool down time and reap the reward. Of course at certain point you'll be expected to pick up your butt and work again, but then I don't think anyone like to run full steam all the times. It's the risk and reward that one expects whether establishing a new franchise or making a new game engine ...etc... and in business, it means cashing in the success. Like I said they're entitled to it ... for a time. The question is whether later will they pick up the shovel and start working again, or they will just milk the thing to the ground, and hopefully with the Expack around the corner it's the former case.


I think the people who're complainig focused too much on the value side of the equation and you forget about the  sentimental side of it. I don't think Bioware created the DLC intended for it to be accpeted by everyone, and I think to those who don't find it worthy their marketing department probably know the reason why even without you trying to tell them. I treat DLC like some kind of ... fan attachemnt you see in other entertainments like Drama disk, Artbook, action figures, toys ...etc... that I think to most non-fan people the pricing vs physic value ratio is usually pretty ubsurd. But I say if the company produced a good enough product, they're entittled to release those attachemnt to the people who enjoy it. As long as they will still produce something else worthwide to the non-fan population. Only time will tell if that's the case


Again, I don't like DLC, I don't find them worthwide and won't buy it. However I'm different in a way that I don't find it wrong for Bioware/EA to release them or people buying them stupid. Like I said it's not really different then when I see someone paying $100 for a figurine of their favorite anime character, I won't buy it but I think it's cool. I'll treat it as something probably was not made for me instead of seeing it as an attemp to rip me off. I think this is just another case where I think the reaction is due to a rather relative new business.

Modifié par MightySword, 13 février 2010 - 12:03 .

[Rictras Shard]

the_one_54321 wrote...


Comparing the market price of one to the market price of the other shows quite clearly that they are quite different.

Incorrect. Entertainment is entertainment, regardless of its form.

[knittzu]

What bugs me about this topic every time it crops up is just the utter narcissism of the stance, "*I* didn't enjoy / can't afford $5 / think $5 a rip-off for the DLC, so I'd like to deny it to everyone else. I want BioWare to stop making new content because of MY personal objections. Now, why exactly is everyone so upset?"



Do you people try to prevent everyone you know from purchasing $5 hamburgers? Or halt said "overpriced" burgers from being made? Do you start Internet campaigns to abolish $5 coffee drinks? Stalk people in line at the grocery store and object to the costliness of their purchases and suggest that they could perhaps go without this or that item because it doesn't fit into YOUR budget? No? Then why does one of you come barreling into this forum every few days making the same rude sort of suggestions?



"People need to start adding to previously existing threads for some of these things. We really don't need individual new threads everytime someone wants to say the game is too hard/easy, DLC is too expensive, or a character/item suxorz. Perhaps these should be merged by the moderators into one thread for each category of complaint."



errent_knight, I agree, but it's not about this or that person wanting to share unique information with us. They know damn well the same things have been said, and said, and said. It's just pure narcissism ("my whining deserve its own individual thread! Look at ME! Pay attention to MEEE!")

[joey_mork84]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...
Absolutely. They are entertaining, you are whether seeing it or playing it, living the life you are watching on the screen as your own, you feel the anger, you feel the fright, you feel everything they do. If not, you need to get your imagination in check. Just like a book, you are living the life of the character in the book, you can relate. Games, Books, and Movies are all the same and the same entertainment.

Comparing the market price of one to the market price of the other shows quite clearly that they are quite different.

Market price is completely different from entertainment value. Market price is what the product is to be retailed for compared to other products from competitors. Entertainment value has two levels: 

1) The personal value a consumer puts on the entertainment the product has (Basically, the opinion of the buyer).

2) The playability and RE-playability of the product whether it be books, movies, or video games in this case.

So yes, they can be compared when talking about pricing. But its not all black and white. Just because a 400 page book that takes you two or three hours to read costs $18 but a video game that takes in excess of 60-100 hours to play through once costs $50 doesn't mean they are that different. The book, like the game, can be enjoyed over and over again. The book has to be read, no top of the line graphics, numerous decisions to be made, and no different ways to read it, therefore its cheaper than the game. However, they both provide the same AMOUNT of entertainment, depending on the consumer. Entertainment and length are not parallels. A game can take 150+ hours to complete all the way but that doesn't mean its more entertaining than the one that takes 50.

As for comparing video games to movies, there is a key word: VIDEO. A video game, by definition is an interactive video, or movie. These two mediums can certainly be compared to one another. For instance, a movie is generally about an hour and a half long and costs about $25 for a new DVD copy. A video game with the same entertainment value would be around the same price, eg. a DLC. The main DLC in question, which takes about an hour to play, costs $5. A movie or video that is only an hour long would cost between $10-$15 new and would give the consumer about the same amount of entertainment. I don't know about you, but to me $5 is a great buy compared to $10-$15 for the same amount of entertainment..  Especially with a game as awesome as DA:O!

[DomiiMai]

Get a job and cry less.



That is all.

[Offkorn]

DomiiMai wrote...

Get a job and cry less.

That makes no sense.

When you actually have to make your money yourself, wasting it on something as near-worthless as a 1-hour throwaway adventure similar to those the modding scene puts out for free is seen as a waste.

When you don't have a job and your parents buy everything for you, is when you see nothing wrong with throwing money at everything you see without questioning its worth. Since the money is not yours.

Modifié par Offkorn, 13 février 2010 - 12:23 .

[Rictras Shard]

When you actually have to make your money yourself, wasting it on something as near-worthless as a 1-hour throwaway adventure similar to those the modding scene puts out for free is seen as a waste.

For me, and I would guess fairly much any other employed person in North America, $5 is considerably less than an hour's pay. So, less than an hour of work to gain an hour or more of entertainment is a gain. If you use the content more than once, it is even more of a gain.

[joey_mork84]

Rictras Shard wrote...

When you actually have to make your money yourself, wasting it on something as near-worthless as a 1-hour throwaway adventure similar to those the modding scene puts out for free is seen as a waste.

For me, and I would guess fairly much any other employed person in North America, $5 is considerably less than an hour's pay. So, less than an hour of work to gain an hour or more of entertainment is a gain. If you use the content more than once, it is even more of a gain.

Even at minimum wage it's a steal lol

[Sylvius the Mad]

Offkorn wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

Get a job and cry less.

That makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense.  The marginal value of $5 declines the more money you have, and $5 is such a small amount that nearly any income renders it trivial.

[DomiiMai]

Offkorn wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

Get a job and cry less.

That makes no sense.

When you actually have to make your money yourself, wasting it on something as near-worthless as a 1-hour throwaway adventure similar to those the modding scene puts out for free is seen as a waste.

When you don't have a job and your parents buy everything for you, is when you see nothing wrong with throwing money at everything you see without questioning its worth. Since the money is not yours.

'

Sadly, you 'MADE' no sense. Go rake some leaves or shovel some snow off of someone's drive way.
I'm quite sure you'd be able to get twice as much if you did something with your life beside sitting around on some forum crying about how you can't buy something or don't want to buy something.

So once again. Get job and Cry Less.

That. Is. All.

Modifié par DomiiMai, 13 février 2010 - 01:08 .

[ladydesire]

Offkorn wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

Get a job and cry less.

That makes no sense.

When you actually have to make your money yourself, wasting it on something as near-worthless as a 1-hour throwaway adventure similar to those the modding scene puts out for free is seen as a waste.

You might have a point if the only platforms that the game was available on were Windows and MacOS; since Xbox 360 and PS3 are supported by the game as well, they are currently left out of acquiring player-created content.

When you don't have a job and your parents buy everything for you, is when you see nothing wrong with throwing money at everything you see without questioning its worth. Since the money is not yours.

True, but that doesn't mean that a person's parents would always buy it for them even if they wanted it.

[joey_mork84]

DomiiMai wrote...

Offkorn wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

Get a job and cry less.

That makes no sense.

When you actually have to make your money yourself, wasting it on something as near-worthless as a 1-hour throwaway adventure similar to those the modding scene puts out for free is seen as a waste.

When you don't have a job and your parents buy everything for you, is when you see nothing wrong with throwing money at everything you see without questioning its worth. Since the money is not yours.

'

Sadly, you 'MADE' no sense. Go rake some leaves or shovel some snow off of someone's drive way.
I'm quite sure you'd be able to get twice as much if you did something with your life beside sitting around on some forum crying about how you can't buy something or don't want to buy something.

So once again. Get job and Cry Less.

That. Is. All.

First off.. How did Offkorn not make sense? If you can read, they made perfect sense. And what's with the emphasis on the word "made" at the beginning of your reply? Did you want us all to know for sure that you meant it to be past tense or something? And the period after every word at the end.. unneeded and grammatically incorrect.

To the repeated and unnesesary phrase "Get a job and Cry Less", I say "Lose the attitude and 'MAKE' sense."

[the_one_54321]

The sheer ignorance with regard to economic valuation is saddening.



And, as I should have expected, no amount of explanation will bring someone to a realization of their mistake unless they actively wish to learn.

[joey_mork84]

the_one_54321 wrote...

The sheer ignorance with regard to economic valuation is saddening.

And, as I should have expected, no amount of explanation will bring someone to a realization of their mistake unless they actively wish to learn.

If there was a mistake in the first place. Take an economics class or learn basic math, you're choice. Either one will help you tremendously. If not, then you have no place in the debate with the logic you are displaying here.

Modifié par joey_mork84, 13 février 2010 - 01:53 .

[MightySword]

the_one_54321 wrote...
The sheer ignorance with regard to economic valuation is saddening.
And, as I should have expected, no amount of explanation will bring someone to a realization of their mistake unless they actively wish to learn.

Neither you can debate with a person who hold an absolute belief that he is right. <_<

Ever wonder why a high-horse attitude never work in a discussion?

[joey_mork84]

MightySword wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
The sheer ignorance with regard to economic valuation is saddening.
And, as I should have expected, no amount of explanation will bring someone to a realization of their mistake unless they actively wish to learn.

Neither you can debate with a person who hold an absolute belief that he is right. <_<

Ever wonder why a high-horse attitude never work in a discussion?

Thank you MightySword! lol At least I'm not alone in thinking that lmao

[the_one_54321]

MightySword wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
The sheer ignorance with regard to economic valuation is saddening.
And, as I should have expected, no amount of explanation will bring someone to a realization of their mistake unless they actively wish to learn.

Neither you can debate with a person who hold an absolute belief that he is right. <_<
Ever wonder why a high-horse attitude never work in a discussion?

Thank you for supporting mistaken perceptions and inaccurate comparisons. I'm sure everyone will benefit from this tremendously.

[Rictras Shard]

the_one_54321 wrote...

The sheer ignorance with regard to economic valuation is saddening.

And, as I should have expected, no amount of explanation will bring someone to a realization of their mistake unless they actively wish to learn.

That's okay. We won't hold it against you.

[fairandbalancedfan]

Thank you for supporting mistaken perceptions and inaccurate comparisons. I'm sure everyone will benefit from this tremendously.

But he was commenting on your debating style. Having a high horse attitude will not mae others respnd to you in a logical way, it just evokes an emotional response.

Modifié par fairandbalancedfan, 13 février 2010 - 02:14 .

[joey_mork84]

the_one_54321 wrote...

MightySword wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
The sheer ignorance with regard to economic valuation is saddening.
And, as I should have expected, no amount of explanation will bring someone to a realization of their mistake unless they actively wish to learn.

Neither you can debate with a person who hold an absolute belief that he is right. <_<
Ever wonder why a high-horse attitude never work in a discussion?

Thank you for supporting mistaken perceptions and inaccurate comparisons. I'm sure everyone will benefit from this tremendously.

I don't believe he was supporting you at all. Might want to reread that.. Assuming you read it at all..

[MightySword]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Thank you for supporting mistaken
perceptions and inaccurate comparisons. I'm sure everyone will benefit
from this tremendously. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

Oh I'm not taking side since the only thing I post in this thread that's actually matter already make clear where I stand, and I don't think the two prominent sides of this argument can count me as their ally.

In your case it's probably more a problem with how you make your point rather than what is your point. Of course, I'm not saying you have a correct point that presented badly, after all I don't agree with what you said, I just agree it it differently. The point is (if there is one) that there is no merit in trying to discuss about that under the current circumstance.

fairandbalancedfan wrote...
But he was commenting on your
debating style. Having a high horse attitude will not mae others respnd
to you in a logical way, it just evokes an emotional response.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

joey_mork84 wrote...
I don't believe he was supporting you at all. Might want to reread that.. Assuming you read it at all..[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Actually it's quite clear that he understood what I meant if you actually read his message.

/sigh ... this is why like I said this kind of exchange can never lead to anything productive.

Modifié par MightySword, 13 février 2010 - 02:18 .

[joey_mork84]

MightySword wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...
I don't believe he was supporting you at all. Might want to reread that.. Assuming you read it at all..[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Actually it's quite clear that he understood what I meant if you actually read his message.

/sigh ... this is why like I said this kind of exchange can never lead to anything productive.

I read what he said just fine. The problem is that he is either not reading anything anyone else posts or is not comprehending it. Of course, he could just be a Troll. That's the more likely case.

And so he isn't confused again, I went to the liberty of looking that up for him so he doesn't try and say it's the opposite, like the rest of his posts.

"Troll: n.
an internet user who sends inflammatory or provocative messages
designed to elicit negative responses or start a flame-war. : Don't answer
those silly messages. Some troll is just looking for an argument."

[joey_mork84]

Now that we can get back to the discussion at hand, I still say $5 is a great price for DLC. I personally plan to buy every bit of DLC for this game specifically because of the low price you pay for such great content on an already great game.

[the_one_54321]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

Thank you for supporting mistaken perceptions and inaccurate comparisons. I'm sure everyone will benefit from this tremendously.

But he was commenting on your debating style. Having a high horse attitude will not mae others respnd to you in a logical way, it just evokes an emotional response.

They already weren't responding with much sense. Hence the post. May as well get the high-horse in there if they're going to respond with so little sense anyway.