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[the_one_54321]

Dahelia wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...
Thank you, Dahelia!! I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that lmao

I've been lurking for awhile watching after I gave up.

Have you considered, even for a moment, that the comparison between different types of entertaiment media just happen to be more complicated in the maket place than you give them credit for? Try and just entertain the notion for a bit. Maybe it's not all as simple as you think it is. Maybe there are a lot more factors that go into determining what prices work and what prices don't.

If it's so concievable that I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about, it should be just as concievable that it's you that doesn't know what you're talking about.

[joey_mork84]

the_one_54321 wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...
If you had read my previous posts before you began ranting and insulting, you would have noticed that I was very much in the right about what I was saying and yet, you still began with the insults.. Go figure.

I'm looking at your first post that quotes one of mine and I'm thinking this, in particular here between you and I, may have been a missunderstanding. My first post concerning the ignornace around here was more in regard to several of the posts around yours, but not yours in particular. You responded thinking I meant yours, and I responded to that in kind. So that was an unfortunate compounding of ire that should not have happened.

However, that post is still incorrect in a couple of things. You do not make certain deeper conections between market price and consumer perceptions. It does boil down to a subjective value assignement by the consumer (or opinion as many like to term it) but only the final decision is subjective. And that subjective decision is based mostly objective factors. You listed a couple of them. In either case, market price is regulated and dictated by those value assignments by consumers. The retail price is not arbitrarily assigned, it is based on the market perceptions of the consumers.

The thing that really got me was when you started in on how I didn't know what I was talking about. You may be an economics teacher, but I have first hand experience with supply and demand, marketing, pricing and such from running a small business. I may not have taken all the college classes, but I DO know what I'm talking about and it comes from YEARS of first hand experience. Having said that and combined with everything you said above just now, shall we let bygons be bygons and let the discussion take its course?

[Dahelia]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...
It is the way he runs, he is better than us because he supposedly taught economics...now bow down to his superiority.

Read the sig. 

Yes, you should read your own signature and follow it, you are doing the same. Please, enough of the childishness, your value and worth is by far different from anyone else's. You are no better than any of us here and to sit here and say you know more because you supposedly taught economics is as invalid as me saying I am an IT Specialist and I know how people get hacked and everything else in a topic about hacking. Everyone sees things differently. That is all, it is why I gave up trying to reply to you.

[Dahelia]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...
Thank you, Dahelia!! I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that lmao

I've been lurking for awhile watching after I gave up.

Have you considered, even for a moment, that the comparison between different types of entertaiment media just happen to be more complicated in the maket place than you give them credit for? Try and just entertain the notion for a bit. Maybe it's not all as simple as you think it is. Maybe there are a lot more factors that go into determining what prices work and what prices don't.

If it's so concievable that I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about, it should be just as concievable that it's you that doesn't know what you're talking about.

*claps* I give up, there is no point in even trying to reply to you because everything I say you shoot down with your superiority. That is all.

[joey_mork84]

AlanC9 wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

I never said they were a significant fraction of DA players. I simply said that is what he was talking about. Or at least that's the way it came across to me.

So he was talking about something silly and irrelevant, but you're not. OK. So why are you trying to defend his point if you don't actually believe in it?

What? I never said anything about something "silly and irrelevant" and neither did he. And where do you get the idea that I didn't believe in it? Nevermind, no point in asking.

[the_one_54321]

joey_mork84 wrote...
The thing that really got me was when you started in on how I didn't know what I was talking about. You may be an economics teacher, but I have first hand experience with supply and demand, marketing, pricing and such from running a small business. I may not have taken all the college classes, but I DO know what I'm talking about and it comes from YEARS of first hand experience. Having said that and combined with everything you said above just now, shall we let bygons be bygons and let the discussion take its course?

Fair enough. But please consider that the determination of market prices are a little more complicated than you are giving them credit for. It's a fine balance between consumer perceptions and producer decisions. Really, we are determining market price for DLC right here and now, by communicating to BioWare and EA what we think about their current pricing schemes.

[the_one_54321]

Dahelia wrote...
*claps* I give up, there is no point in even trying to reply to you because everything I say you shoot down with your superiority. That is all.

That is seriously your defense of what you've said so far? "Screw you guys, I'm going home?" Just consider it, alright. It's not as simple as you think it is.

[joey_mork84]

the_one_54321 wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...
The thing that really got me was when you started in on how I didn't know what I was talking about. You may be an economics teacher, but I have first hand experience with supply and demand, marketing, pricing and such from running a small business. I may not have taken all the college classes, but I DO know what I'm talking about and it comes from YEARS of first hand experience. Having said that and combined with everything you said above just now, shall we let bygons be bygons and let the discussion take its course?

Fair enough. But please consider that the determination of market prices are a little more complicated than you are giving them credit for. It's a fine balance between consumer perceptions and producer decisions. Really, we are determining market price for DLC right here and now, by communicating to BioWare and EA what we think about their current pricing schemes.

Basically the same lines I was going with, I just stated it a little simpler. Not everyone on here has the background or experience to understand a full explianation. Or at least, that's what I assumed when I wrote that post. I figured the simpler, the better lol but I was riding along the same lines.

[Dahelia]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...
*claps* I give up, there is no point in even trying to reply to you because everything I say you shoot down with your superiority. That is all.

That is seriously your defense of what you've said so far? "Screw you guys, I'm going home?" Just consider it, alright. It's not as simple as you think it is.

You are just trying to make yourself feel better. It is like saying as a Stripper I am not worth the 5 bucks you could give the Prostitute down the road who actually charges 20 bucks for what she does. It is the value in your eyes, not the value in everyone's eyes. Then again, you'll go on say it is not the same of course.

[joey_mork84]

Well, since we are in a thread talking about DLC and the brunt of the discussion is basically gone and we are all still here, which DLC do you like best or are looking forward to the most (in case its one you havent gotten yet)?

[Dahelia]

I happen to have all the current ones but I would like to see one in which we deal with more of the Dalish..or to find out about Duncan.

[DomiiMai]

joey_mork84 wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

First off.. How did Offkorn not make sense? If you can read, they made perfect sense. And what's with the emphasis on the word "made" at the beginning of your reply? Did you want us all to know for sure that you meant it to be past tense or something? And the period after every word at the end.. unneeded and grammatically incorrect.

To the repeated and unnesesary phrase "Get a job and Cry Less", I say "Lose the attitude and 'MAKE' sense."

Only an idiot who refuse to make a small difference and having an small activity to make a little money would say that. So believe, do something with your life and you wouldn't complain as much.
And you'll be more like us people who has "a job and cry less".

So I say get off the forum and do something with your life. You wouldn't have to try to make such pathetic comebacks.

If not, then you've proven my point on how worthless your life could be.

I HAVE made something of my life, thank you. And they aren't "pathetic comebacks" as you so eliquently put it. It's called a DEBATE. No comebacks needed. Only stating the obvious.

AlanC9 wrote...

First
off.. How did Offkorn not make sense?

I guess I'll
give it a shot.

Offkorn's "argument" was that "(w)hen you don't
have a job and your parents buy everything for you," you don't need to
consider value because you get your money for free. I thought this was
self-evidently idiotic, but obviously I was wrong about that. so I'll
explain it.

The fact that someone gets an allowance doesn't mean
that he gets an infinite allowance. It doesn't even mean that he
gets an allowance that's large relative to his desired spending. And if
he doesn't have enough money to buy everything he wants to buy, then he
has to engage in exactly the same calculation of value that
someone who works for the money has to. The source of the money doesn't
change this. If anything, the person on an allowance is in a worse
position, since he's got less flexibility in terms of both income and
expenditures.

The point he was making here wasn't about an allowance. He is talking about someone who is spoiled and whose parents buy everything for them. No need for an allowance when your parents cater to your every whim. When someone buys you everything you want, you will, undoubtidly, gain no respect for money or learn the value of that money.

But you don't point out the true obvious point and that you spoke up about it offensively. Could it mean that it is true? Of course you'd deny it. But we'll leave it at that. Action speaks.

Modifié par DomiiMai, 13 février 2010 - 04:05 .

[joey_mork84]

DomiiMai wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

First off.. How did Offkorn not make sense? If you can read, they made perfect sense. And what's with the emphasis on the word "made" at the beginning of your reply? Did you want us all to know for sure that you meant it to be past tense or something? And the period after every word at the end.. unneeded and grammatically incorrect.

To the repeated and unnesesary phrase "Get a job and Cry Less", I say "Lose the attitude and 'MAKE' sense."

Only an idiot who refuse to make a small difference and having an small activity to make a little money would say that. So believe, do something with your life and you wouldn't complain as much.
And you'll be more like us people who has "a job and cry less".

So I say get off the forum and do something with your life. You wouldn't have to try to make such pathetic comebacks.

If not, then you've proven my point on how worthless your life could be.

I HAVE made something of my life, thank you. And they aren't "pathetic comebacks" as you so eliquently put it. It's called a DEBATE. No comebacks needed. Only stating the obvious.

AlanC9 wrote...

First
off.. How did Offkorn not make sense?

I guess I'll
give it a shot.

Offkorn's "argument" was that "(w)hen you don't
have a job and your parents buy everything for you," you don't need to
consider value because you get your money for free. I thought this was
self-evidently idiotic, but obviously I was wrong about that. so I'll
explain it.

The fact that someone gets an allowance doesn't mean
that he gets an infinite allowance. It doesn't even mean that he
gets an allowance that's large relative to his desired spending. And if
he doesn't have enough money to buy everything he wants to buy, then he
has to engage in exactly the same calculation of value that
someone who works for the money has to. The source of the money doesn't
change this. If anything, the person on an allowance is in a worse
position, since he's got less flexibility in terms of both income and
expenditures.

The point he was making here wasn't about an allowance. He is talking about someone who is spoiled and whose parents buy everything for them. No need for an allowance when your parents cater to your every whim. When someone buys you everything you want, you will, undoubtidly, gain no respect for money or learn the value of that money.

But you don't point out the true obvious point and that you spoke up about it offensively. Could it mean that it is true? Of course you'd deny it. But we'll leave it at that. Action speaks.

I wasn't offensive about my response. It was quite neutral. Reading it back to myself tho, i can see how it would be taken that way.

[AlanC9]

the_one_54321 wrote...
 The retail price is not arbitrarily assigned, it is based on the market perceptions of the consumers. 

But aren't those perceptions themselves arbitrary? Or maybe contingent is the better word; people have learned what things are worth through their experiences of the market, but that market was shaped by all sorts of decisions that might not have been the best ones.

Not that I'm complaining. I'm a fan of genres that have very good cash/hour of gameplay ratios. I'd be much worse off in a world where DA:O cost four times as much as Half-Life just because it takes that much longer to play through it.

[joey_mork84]

I only have one DLC at the moment, but I don't have my debit card yet. My old one got broken in my wallet and I'm waiting for the replacement. As soon as it gets here, I'm getting every DLC I can get my hands on lol. I can't wait to play RtO and Awakening!

[AlanC9]

joey_mork84 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

I never said they were a significant fraction of DA players. I simply said that is what he was talking about. Or at least that's the way it came across to me.

So he was talking about something silly and irrelevant, but you're not. OK. So why are you trying to defend his point if you don't actually believe in it?

What? I never said anything about something "silly and irrelevant" and neither did he. And where do you get the idea that I didn't believe in it? Nevermind, no point in asking.

He brought up spoiled people. Bringing that up is either silly or some sort of a rhetorical smokescreen, since some tiny minority of spoiled people doesn't have any relevance to the cost of DLC. Which one of these it was doesn't particularly concern me, since both kinds of non-points deserve the same treatment.

Either you were defending his "point," or you weren't. Pick one.

[joey_mork84]

AlanC9 wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

I never said they were a significant fraction of DA players. I simply said that is what he was talking about. Or at least that's the way it came across to me.

So he was talking about something silly and irrelevant, but you're not. OK. So why are you trying to defend his point if you don't actually believe in it?

What? I never said anything about something "silly and irrelevant" and neither did he. And where do you get the idea that I didn't believe in it? Nevermind, no point in asking.

He brought up spoiled people. Bringing that up is either silly or some sort of a rhetorical smokescreen, since some tiny minority of spoiled people doesn't have any relevance to the cost of DLC. Which one of these it was doesn't particularly concern me, since both kinds of non-points deserve the same treatment.

Either you were defending his "point," or you weren't. Pick one.

You seem to be able to articulate quite well and yet you miss points and misread posts or something.. I never said I wasn't defending his point, so I don't quite understand why you are asking me to pick one or the other.. But, whatever floats your boat.. Keep posting if you will, but I'm sure it will be another off-the-wall response that didn't deserve the time it took to type.

[joey_mork84]

Troll aside, anyone else have a favorite DLC?

[Rictras Shard]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Really, we are determining market price for DLC right here and now, by communicating to BioWare and EA what we think about their current pricing schemes.

An economics teacher would know that the odds of this forum debate affecting market prices for DLCs are very remote.

[Dahelia]

joey_mork84 wrote...

Troll aside, anyone else have a favorite DLC?

It is a tie between RTO and Stone Prisoner...lol

[joey_mork84]

Dahelia wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

Troll aside, anyone else have a favorite DLC?

It is a tie between RTO and Stone Prisoner...lol

LOL Stone Prisoner is the one I have. I highly suggest it! I can't very rightly say its my favorite, as I haven't played the others yet, but it is a must have!

I'm most looking forward to RtO and Awakening. Can't wait till I can get them!

[the_one_54321]

Rictras Shard wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Really, we are determining market price for DLC right here and now, by communicating to BioWare and EA what we think about their current pricing schemes.

An economics teacher would know that the odds of this forum debate affecting market prices for DLCs are very remote.

Yes, it is remote. The only effect we can have on it is, as an individual, very remote. But there are 200 million of us that bought the game. That adds up if you can sway a few minds your way, because each of those 200 million individuals is going to make some kind of a value judgement, and the sumation of all those decisions is going to dictate how BioWare and EA approach this in the future.

[joey_mork84]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Rictras Shard wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Really, we are determining market price for DLC right here and now, by communicating to BioWare and EA what we think about their current pricing schemes.

An economics teacher would know that the odds of this forum debate affecting market prices for DLCs are very remote.

Yes, it is remote. The only effect we can have on it is, as an individual, very remote. But there are 200 million of us that bought the game. That adds up if you can sway a few minds your way, because each of those 200 million individuals is going to make some kind of a value judgement, and the sumation of all those decisions is going to dictate how BioWare and EA approach this in the future.

Very true.

[the_one_54321]

Dahelia wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...
*claps* I give up, there is no point in even trying to reply to you because everything I say you shoot down with your superiority. That is all.

That is seriously your defense of what you've said so far? "Screw you guys, I'm going home?" Just consider it, alright. It's not as simple as you think it is.

You are just trying to make yourself feel better. It is like saying as a Stripper I am not worth the 5 bucks you could give the Prostitute down the road who actually charges 20 bucks for what she does. It is the value in your eyes, not the value in everyone's eyes. Then again, you'll go on say it is not the same of course.

That's right, because it's not the same. It's fair to make analogies where the consumer behavior is similar and an analogy is appropriate, but the numbers never count. Movies cost $5-$25 because the market behavior for movies has created a system where that is standard. The market for games has developed in a completely different way, and it is not accurate to compare the cost vs volume relationship between the two.

[Rictras Shard]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Yes, it is remote. The only effect we can have on it is, as an individual, very remote. But there are 200 million of us that bought the game. That adds up if you can sway a few minds your way, because each of those 200 million individuals is going to make some kind of a value judgement, and the sumation of all those decisions is going to dictate how BioWare and EA approach this in the future.

Two hundred million people bought the game, huh?

Regardless, it is well known that only a very small number of a game's players read the game's forums. And based on the numerous threads on this subject, it seems only a small number of those people share your opinions. Therefore, it seems your protests are not going to have any effect.

Modifié par Rictras Shard, 13 février 2010 - 04:51 .