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[the_one_54321]

Rictras Shard wrote...
Two hundred million people bought the game, huh?

Regardless, it is well known that only a very small number of a game's players read the game's forums. And based on the numerous threads on this subject, it seems only a small number of those people share your opinions. Therefore, it seems your protests are not going to have any effect.

Yes, the last number I heard was 200 million. Wait... I'm sorry. It was $200 million in sales. Not 200 million copies. So that's roughly 4 million copies sold. And it's still a hell of a lot of people choosing.

Also, there are more people that agree with me than you realize. We're just not the majority. Outside of the forums, it's a whole other story, but I can't talk to those people. I can talk to the people in here.

[joey_mork84]

That's what the forums are all about. Communicating with others about your opinions and/or giving your opinions to the creators themselves. Regardless of how many people are on here posting for either side of a debate, I believe at least one of the many moderators lurking about have either heard about or read both sides of every debate topic. I could be wrong though. I know there are only so many mods and yet there is an endless number of threads popping up each day. So, who knows? lol

[Rictras Shard]

the_one_54321 wrote...


Also, there are more people that agree with me than you realize.

Being as those people aren't voicing their opinions on these forums, how do you know?

[the_one_54321]

Rictras Shard wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Also, there are more people that agree with me than you realize.

Being as those people aren't voicing their opinions on these forums, how do you know?

Because they do post. I'm thinking it's just that there's more posting from the other side of the fence that has you thinking we are not voicing our opinion as well.

You know, I have personally had my points pique the interest of two of the devs that pay regular attention to the forums. I'm not trying to brag, I just want you to see that yes, BioWare is indeed hearing what we have to say.

[the_one_54321]

LOL this is the thread were I heard $200 million in sales! It's in the title!



There have been so many of these threads, I loose track of which one I am posting in.

[joey_mork84]

the_one_54321 wrote...

LOL this is the thread were I heard $200 million in sales! It's in the title!

There have been so many of these threads, I loose track of which one I am posting in.

lmao I thought about saying something, but I figured you would eventually see it.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I would love to see the DLC released for free, but sadly no company gives out such free stuff these days. Sooner or later EA or somebody is going to start charging for patches.

[joey_mork84]

ReconTeam wrote...

Sooner or later EA or somebody is going to start charging for patches.

"Maker's breath!" I sure hope not! That would be the day the world comes to an end.. Society will collapse from the lack of revenue from people buying games, rioting in the streets, the entire basis of the government falling from beneath our feet, green elephants running rampet, PURE CHAOS!!

[Rictras Shard]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Because they do post. I'm thinking it's just that there's more posting from the other side of the fence that has you thinking we are not voicing our opinion as well.

 
I brought up the point that most of the people posting on these threads don't agree with you. You replied that there are other people I do not know about that agree with you. I asked you how you know, and you respond that you know because they are posting. Do you not see the contradiction between your posts?

the_one_54321 wrote...
You know, I have personally had my points pique the interest of two of the devs that pay regular attention to the forums. I'm not trying to brag, I just want you to see that yes, BioWare is indeed hearing what we have to say.

And if that is so, they are hearing that most of us who are interested in the DLCs are willing to pay the established prices.

[Inquisitor Recon]

joey_mork84 wrote...
"Maker's breath!" I sure hope not! That would be the day the world comes to an end.. Society will collapse from the lack of revenue from people buying games, rioting in the streets, the entire basis of the government falling from beneath our feet, green elephants running rampet, PURE CHAOS!!

Why not?

"Its not a bug, its a feature, but if you want it removed......"

[joey_mork84]

ReconTeam wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...
"Maker's breath!" I sure hope not! That would be the day the world comes to an end.. Society will collapse from the lack of revenue from people buying games, rioting in the streets, the entire basis of the government falling from beneath our feet, green elephants running rampet, PURE CHAOS!!

Why not?

"Its not a bug, its a feature, but if you want it removed......"

lol nice way of putting it

[Yrkoon]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I agree with the OP.

Cost vs Benefit is significantly more complicated than $ vs hours.

Comparing an RPG to anything except another RPG gives inaccurate results.

Just a note  (side-note, really, because I know this doesn't address the point  you're trying to make):   As we later discovered,  The OP was not complaining about any  'Cost vs. Benefit'" descrepancy.  Instead, he was  complaining about  Bioware's decision to charge for DLCs outright.

Apparently there's an  unwritten rule in the game industry:    when a company  becomes  uber successful, they should stop what they're doing and share the wealth...  start handing out free games.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 février 2010 - 05:43 .

[the_one_54321]

Rictras Shard wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Because they do post. I'm thinking it's just that there's more posting from the other side of the fence that has you thinking we are not voicing our opinion as well.

I brought up the point that most of the people posting on these threads don't agree with you. You replied that there are other people I do not know about that agree with you. I asked you how you know, and you respond that you know because they are posting. Do you not see the contradiction between your posts?

the_one_54321 wrote...
You know, I have personally had my points pique the interest of two of the devs that pay regular attention to the forums. I'm not trying to brag, I just want you to see that yes, BioWare is indeed hearing what we have to say.

And if that is so, they are hearing that most of us who are interested in the DLCs are willing to pay the established prices.

Because they do post. I don't know where you're getting that they don't. Perhaps it's because there are more of those willing to buy and/or defend the DLC. Keep in mind that, as many of these threads as there have been, someone new has made each one and it's always because they are unhappy with the price of the DLC.

True, BioWare is hearing that most of the people on the forums are willing to buy the DLC. But they are also hearing our side of the argument. As I've said, I've had two of them ask about my thoughts/posts personally. Also, they made an expansion, which is something most of us have been clamoring for since release date when the first DLC went on sale. I see that as a sign they are listening.

[the_one_54321]

Yrkoon wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

I agree with the OP.

Cost vs Benefit is significantly more complicated than $ vs hours.

Comparing an RPG to anything except another RPG gives inaccurate results.

Just a note  (side-note, really, because I know this doesn't address the point  you're trying to make):  The OP was not complaining about any  'Cost vs. Benefit'" descrepancy.  Instead, he was  complaining about  Bioware's decision to charge for DLCs outright.

Apparently there's an  unwritten rule in the game industry:    when a company  becomes  uber successful, they should stop what they're doing and share the wealth...  start handing out free games.

Well, then let's say I agreed with portions of what the OP said. I brought up cost vs benefit because a number of the posts I read in the thread were atempting it and "you're doing it wrong" was very applicable.

[Sinister-starfeesh]

It doesn't bother me much, if you enjoy the game and want more gameplay, even if is just an hour, it shouldn't matter about paying.

Nearly every game nowerdays requires you to pay for DLC's especially on consoles, so I don't blame the creators.



I got most of the expansions bundled in with the PC game though, but i had to buy them on the xbox, only problem i have is the stone prisoner price, if you don't get a special code, you're looking at about £10-£15 on the xbox, which is rather silly.

Even though i didn't pay for that DLC, I wouldn't have paid for it had it not come with my game, that's a silly price, amounting to 1/3 of what i paid for the game ¬.¬

[joey_mork84]

Sinister-starfeesh wrote...

It doesn't bother me much, if you enjoy the game and want more gameplay, even if is just an hour, it shouldn't matter about paying.
Nearly every game nowerdays requires you to pay for DLC's especially on consoles, so I don't blame the creators.

I got most of the expansions bundled in with the PC game though, but i had to buy them on the xbox, only problem i have is the stone prisoner price, if you don't get a special code, you're looking at about £10-£15 on the xbox, which is rather silly.
Even though i didn't pay for that DLC, I wouldn't have paid for it had it not come with my game, that's a silly price, amounting to 1/3 of what i paid for the game ¬.¬

I think I know which DLC you are refering to, and if it is, I would have gladly paid for it, had it not come with my game as well. It is well worth the price! lol

[DomiiMai]

@the_one_54321

Oh I'm sure they see what you're saying.
The question is..

Do they care?

They could look back on how much money and praise they've gotten.
Then look at just a handful of people on a forum complaining.
Do you think they would even take a second look at and your "people" on the other side of the fence?

Modifié par DomiiMai, 13 février 2010 - 07:24 .

[Pinkleaf]

These days DLC seems to be widely adopted by many software company's as the new trend in the money making racket, but over all it doesn't seem to be all that popular with many consumers.



Personally I don't like DLC, and feel these little odds and ends should be given free with future patches as a good will gesture to loyal fans. I think focus should be on proper expansions that are worth playing and paying for.

[Sinister-starfeesh]

joey_mork84 wrote...

I think I know which DLC you are refering to, and if it is, I would have gladly paid for it, had it not come with my game as well. It is well worth the price! lol

Oh don't get me wrong it's a great DLC, just abit meanly priced xD
If I hadn't been given the code for the download with the game.... i think I maybe have eventually given in to tempation and bought it, but it would have hurt my little pockets

Modifié par Sinister-starfeesh, 13 février 2010 - 08:18 .

[joey_mork84]

Sinister-starfeesh wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

I think I know which DLC you are refering to, and if it is, I would have gladly paid for it, had it not come with my game as well. It is well worth the price! lol

Oh don't get me wrong it's a great DLC, just abit meanly priced xD
If I hadn't been given the code for the download with the game.... i think I maybe have eventually given in to tempation and bought it, but it would have hurt my little pockets

LOL yea, i know what you mean! Same here! lmao

[Feraele]

Coldcall01 wrote...


Gee guys i know you are now part of EA and the bottom line is everything but seriously i am starting to feel very jaded about the DLC strategy.

First of all I love DAO, great game and i was perfectly happy to pay the £35 here in the UK for the retail game. Its worth every penny.

However I've been angry about the DLCs for a while considering how little extra gameplay they offer, especially when compared to the original game.

But this morning i heard that EA is looking to set up a system which also charges second hand game owners an extra $10 when transferring owenership of a previousl paid for game. If this is wrong perhaps EA's PR people should get out there an deny it damn quickly because it is raising some eyebrows.

What is going on? Once the 4 million DAO sales mark is hit you wil have earned approx $200million in revenues just on DAO. I dont begrudge you that as it deserves commercial success but the extra length of greed involved in charging such ludircous amounts for nothing DLCs and now the alleged EA plans to start stiching up the second hand games market is just too much to take.

I suggest Bioware start treating their customers with some respect and not treating them like a infinite cash machines.

If EA/Bioware continue on this track you will only encourage bitter feelings and more piracy. This is exactly what happened with the retail misic cd indistry and it will happen to the games industry once enough punters feel they are being ripped off.

Sorry but had to be said.

Doesn't Sony already do this..if they don't I read somewhere that either they are going to, or they would like to.

I do believe Bioware DOES treat their customers with respect,  that doesn't come into it at all. 

What I DO see continuously on this board, over the past few months....that for some odd reason gamers expect Bioware to produce all this good stuff...and give it out for free.

So....when you go to work and do your job you expect to be paid for it right?   

Would you be happy if all of a sudden your boss said, "Sorry from now on anything you produce you won't be paid for...because our customers expect everything for free".

How long do you think that business model would last?   An hour?

Game companies are businesses bottom line.

I would say your complaint would be with the parent company if anything..and not Bioware.   Bioware doesn't make the grand decisions about things, they are owned by EA now.

Take it up with them.

Modifié par Feraele, 13 février 2010 - 08:28 .

[Feraele]

Oh and by the way...this does not justify THIEVERY ..ie: piracy. No excuse whatsoever for that.

I'll say it again.  If it's good enough to steal..its good enough to pay for. 

Modifié par Feraele, 13 février 2010 - 08:30 .

[Kalfear]

Pinkleaf wrote...

These days DLC seems to be widely adopted by many software company's as the new trend in the money making racket, but over all it doesn't seem to be all that popular with many consumers.

Personally I don't like DLC, and feel these little odds and ends should be given free with future patches as a good will gesture to loyal fans. I think focus should be on proper expansions that are worth playing and paying for.

I was actually one of the ones that thought DLC was a great addition and could do great things.

My first DLC was Bring Down the Sky for ME1 and I was hugely satisfied and thought it was great and well worth the $5.00 price tag.

I then waited a long time only to be disappointed by Pinnicale Station but still I held out hope.
Then I saw The Stone Prisoner in DA:O and my hope was restored as that was again a fantastic DLC (that was free no less. still I would have paid $5.00 happily for it).
Then Wardens Keep came and I was disappointed with how short it was but still I was so so
I havent finished RTO yet but freinds told me it didnt advance or add  to the story at all and that was disappointing.

Then I looked at ME2 proposed DLC and have zero interest in any of it

But still I was on fence thill David Gaider himself posted in these forums telling someone disappointed about size that thats all they going to do as long as people willing to pay for it.
I think a better answer would have been "We realize some people not satidfied with size so we will be addressing that in future DLC projects" but thats not what he said. Guess I give him points for being honest but that finished it for me.
Add me to the no more DLC list of people.

I still think DLC could add greatly to games but developers have to accept its not a option to print money for them, they do have some responcibility and there should be minimum standards for these projects.
For me, its 1 hour for every dollar they charge. I think thats more then fair as million(s) of people are buying this stuff so thats a huge profit margin for them.
And unlike the box set this is straight digital transfer so no printing companies, box art, publisher to pay off, its shear profit from the get go after a certain number of Downloads.

Ill revisit the topic later but for now, its games and expansions only for me, no pay for DLC as the companies thus far just being to greedy.
DA:O was 60-90 hours long for the average player who paids on average $65.00 for the game. If $1.00 per hour of content acceptable for a game when you got all these extra hands to pay, why is $1/per hour for DLC so unacceptable? Seems to me Bioware (in this case) has their priorities all screwed up!

Feraele wrote...

Oh and by the way...this does not justify THIEVERY ..ie: piracy. No excuse whatsoever for that.

I'll say it again.  If it's good enough to steal..its good enough to pay for. 

Agree!

Either pay for the product or go with out, there is no middle ground

Modifié par Kalfear, 13 février 2010 - 08:47 .

[MightySword]

Kalfear wrote...
Then I saw The Stone Prisoner in DA:O and my hope was restored as that was again a fantastic DLC (that was free no less. still I would have paid $5.00 happily for it).

Actually the reason why Stone Prisoner was great because it was billed in 2 digits as a DLC, which if one has to pay ... would not seem to be a really good deal for me.

[Sinister-starfeesh]

MightySword wrote...

Kalfear wrote...
Then I saw The Stone Prisoner in DA:O and my hope was restored as that was again a fantastic DLC (that was free no less. still I would have paid $5.00 happily for it).

Actually the reason why Stone Prisoner was great because it was billed in 2 digits as a DLC, which if one has to pay ... would not seem to be a really good deal for me.

Aye stone prisoner DLC wasn't $5, that was about 1200 gamepoints on the 360... which is about £15 or somthing silly... Luckily most people get it free, unless they buy a second hand copy :/