106 réponses à ce sujet

[Archereon]

Garrus...

Why?  Out of every squadmate, he's most likely to be on your team and alive at the end of the game, and he's a fan favorite.

Now don't get me wrong, I'd like Tali and Legion to be ME3 squadmates as well, but both of them, especially Legion, have major issues preventing them from getting on the squad.

Tali is in the second wave of dossiers, meaning she's not necessarily on the team at the end of the game, and is therefore out.  Backing this up is the fact that she has a potential write out (becoming one of the admirals/going on a quest or something to regain her stature among the Quarian people), is easy enough to kill in the suicide mission, and you can loose her loyalty (legion/tali fight), there's no virtually no chance at all of her appearing as a squaddie.

Legion has an even bigger obstacle than Tali for getting onto the squad: canon Shepard doesn't have him (as canon choices are always renegade whenever there is no neutral option, and recruiting Legion is a paragon choice), and he's on the second wave of recruitments, so he's out.

The rest of the squadmates have a potential write out in their plot, are easy to kill in the suicide mission, are disliked, or have similar issues to Legion and Tali.

Grunt doesn't HAVE to be awakened so he's out.

Thane's illness is a built in write out, and he's in the second (optional) wave of dossiers.

Samara/Mornith's departure is easy to justify, and they're both optional and highly variable.

Mordin dies a lot in the suicide mission, so he's out.

You can loose Jack/Miranda's loyalty, meaning they're out. 

Zaeed/Kasumi are DLC.  'nuff said.

Nobody likes Jacob, and following his suggestion to send him into the ducts gets him killed.

(Blasto is a joke)


So there you have it, Garrus is the only character with fans that's unlikely to die and is mandatory to recruit.

Sorry to rain on the parades of you hopefuls...:crying::crying:

[KBGeller]

Except Legion has similar write in's. Since he is synthetic, all that he is can easily be transferred to an identical platform. Also, if you sent him to Cerberus for study, in ME3 he could have easily have either escaped or cerberus may decide that you should have him.

Grunt is similar to legion above.

Thane's illness is
a built in write out. Possibly to replaced by son?

Samara/Mornith's departure is easy to justify, and
they're both optional and highly variable. And likely to lead to a sidequest in ME3 depending on choices.

Mordin dies a lot in
the suicide mission, and thus is likely cut. However, he may make an appearance or cameo by working on the genophage if he survives (either to eradicate it if you save the data or modify it if you dont).

Jack is most likely out due to her character only fitting the "bad ass" setting of ME2.

Miranda is variable.

Zaeed/Kasumi are DLC.  'nuff said.

Nobody
likes Jacob, and following his suggestion to send him into the ducts
gets him killed.

Modifié par KBGeller, 11 février 2010 - 04:35 .

[Gill Kaiser]

I'd be a bit surprised if Miranda were written out so quickly. She quits Cerberus at the end because she's so loyal to Shepard, and she's his XO on the Normandy SR-2, which he's presumably keeping.

[Daeion]

The only squad mate guaranteed to return IMO is Liara since there's no way for her to die. I expect the ME2 squad mates to play a smaller role since they could all die and I also expect to see the return of the ME1 LI's to full on squad members.

[Archereon]

Oh yeah, Liara. She's pretty much guaranteed, but out of the ME2 squad, Garrus is probably the only one that has a chance to come back.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

One problem with your logic



For Shepherd to survive the final mission he needs 2 loyal people alive.

[Gill Kaiser]

I thought he only needed one?

[Archereon]

Sir Ulrich Von: Read again, your missing it: Garrus is the only character who can't be written out if he survives without killing him off, is a fan favorite, is mandatory for the squad, and has a high likelyhood of surviving the suicide mission.

[Trueflow]

You folks miss the twenty something thousand posts about Tali since (I think) game release? She's far and away the most popular character in Mass Effect. If she isn't in ME3 the response would be apocalyptic.I mean yeah, she could die. So could Shepard. I'm pretty sure he is still turning up for the next game, though.

[Daeion]

Archereon wrote...

Legion has an even bigger obstacle than Tali for getting onto the squad: canon Shepard doesn't have him (as canon choices are always renegade whenever there is no neutral option, and recruiting Legion is a paragon choice), and he's on the second wave of recruitments, so he's out.

There's a canon shep?  And they always make renegade choices?

[Alamar2078]

I suspect that if you can't include your LI from ME1 or ME2 there will be a bunch of hardcore gamers [RPs?] getting the torches and pitchforks ready

I do think it's obvious that Garrus has the least number of obstacles facing him so his return is almost a lock.

Personally I think we should really be able to choose our team from the surviving ME1, ME2, and new recruits for ME3.  This way everyone's happy.

Note:  Okay Wrex has very good reasons why he's staying put but all others really should be fair game.

Modifié par Alamar2078, 11 février 2010 - 04:44 .

[JRCHOharry]

I like Jacob.

[Cutlass Jack]

Poor arguement. OP. Garrus can die too. Nothing going on with Garrus that's not equally true of Tali. And only one of those pair changed their name to that of your ship.

[Archereon]

Trueflow: Tali has a write out built in to her plotline, and is not mandatory to recruit in the game. Therefore, she probably gets a cameo with a large sidequest attached.


Others: Yes, Garrus can die, but he's less likely than many other squadmates, and is more viable than the rest of the teamembers equally likely to die.  

Ulrich Von: You still don't get it, I'm just stating Garrus is the most viable ME2 squadmember to return, not that canon should be that only he and shepard survive, just that the rest of the squad is less viable as returning squaddies than him, and likely will be reduced to cameos.

Modifié par Archereon, 11 février 2010 - 04:44 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Archereon wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von: Read again, your missing it: Garrus is the only character who can't be written out if he survives without killing him off, is a fan favorite, is mandatory for the squad, and has a high likelyhood of surviving the suicide mission.

And I repeat again...

If all of the others were dead with just Garrus alive. Shepherd would be dead and thus Shepherd himself wouldn't be returning.

Some people disliked Ash, Liara and Kaiden and yet both the 2 that survived returned.

You are forgetting the LI affect. Anyone that is a potential LI is guaranteed to return.

[Gill Kaiser]

Canon Shepard doesn't choose Renegade options per se, it's just that Bioware had canon Shep choose all the options which resulted in no cameos that a new player wouldn't understand because they'd never met the character. So it's not 'canon', it's just 'clutter-free'.

[Trueflow]

Archereon: Bioware is here to make money. Especially since they''ve been acquired by EA. Tali will help make them money. They'll find a way to appease Tali fans that outnumber everyone else combined.

[gotthammer]

I want Wrex back... (;_

[Shatakai]

I personally think Bioware played things too safely in ME2. They need to take a stand and say "If you're team survived the suicide mission, you'll be able to recruit a decent amount of them again in ME3. If they died, that's just too damn bad for you. This is your story, and in your story, so-and-so died. You simply won't have a squadmate that others might have."

[Archereon]

Trueflow: EA will pressure bioware to minimize production costs and production times, not force since BioWare has a lot of leverage in EA's corporate structure, but strongly pressure. Garrus is popular enough to appease a large number of fans, but is far more viable to return than the rest of the fan favorites.

[aksoileau]

You are forgetting something... Tali'Zorah vas Normandy. She's tied in with the ship. I doubt she'll change her name a 4th time. Rayyah, Neema, Normandy. Second would be Garrus. I'm not a Tali gambit, but it seems obvious she is staying IMO.

[Gill Kaiser]

Yeah, but she might not be a squadmate. She might be like Engineer Adams on the Normandy SR1.

[izmirtheastarach]

Why not Liara? She seems to be the main focus, and is one of the few who cannot be dead.

[FlyinElk212]

Archereon, I get what you're saying, and while I do agree that Garrus will make a comeback, I do NOT believe he'll be the only one.



The flaw's in your reasoning. Yes, Garrus is a squadmate who has one of the highest chance of survival at the end of the game (I gotta make a topic about this soon...); by using that logic, we should be able to deduce whose coming back based on whichever characters had the highest chance of survival.



Simply because a character like, say, Miranda, has an easy write-out, doesn't mean she won't be there in ME3. Miranda is ANOTHER character who has a high probability of surviving the suicide mission--hell, she even volunteers for the biotic shield and we know the shielder can't die.

[TyDurden13]

Well, besides the fact that I don't think variability negates the possibility of squadmate status... Garrus isn't any less likely to die than say, Miranda or Jacob. Garrus can die if you don't upgrade the guns, fer crissake.