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[Gill Kaiser]

Archereon wrote...

Another thing...I'm guessing that BioWare would, if it could without massive fan backlash, avoid bringing back any ME2 squadmates as ME3 squaddies, since that would be the easiest way to insure everyone, even new players, get to experience the majority of the game.

And yes, by canon Shepard, I refer to non-import Shepard, who makes renegade choices whenever there is no neutral option (ex: default shepard kills Rachni queen, kills Wrex, kills the council and puts Udina on it.)

I think for a trilogy finale they really shouldn't pander to new players to the detriment of the overall experience. I mean, who starts a trilogy, one with a continual narrative, on the final installment? People like that don't deserve to enjoy the game as much as people who've played since the beginning and are invested in the characters and story.

[Strimple]

I think the only characters that we could possibly see not return are Thane (unless the Hanar find a cure then I'm afraid he is gonna die eventually) and Samara (While she is loyal to Shepard through her oath, that only lasts until the end of the Collector's mission) would return to her Justicar mission, in fact if Shepard is a Renegade, then Samara would be obligated to possibly attack Shepard in the third game. I was fortunate enough to get the "No One Left Behind" achievement and with the exception of those two squadmates I want the rest back in the third game.

[AngryFrozenWater]

The crew members who are likely to come back are Ashley/Kaidan, Liara and Wrex. The rest may not have survived.

[Sledgehammer44mm]

Valmy wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Why?  Out of every squadmate, he's most likely to be on your team and alive at the end of the game, and he's a fan favorite.

Huh?  He is just likely to be alive and on your team as much as anybody else.

And Bioware better not let fan favoritism influence how they design their games.  Talk about making everything boring and predictable.

I concur with what you said at the very end.

[Archereon]

Seventh: Yes, but a character with a built in write out in their plot is far easier to drop from the game than one who doesn't. It would be a serious stretch to remove certain squadmates, but out of those characters, Garrus is logistically the easiest to bring back as a full squaddie since he has the highest cumulative odds of being in any particular game. The rest of the characters that are tied to Shepard all have logistical issues with bringing them back.

[DirewolfX]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Yeah, but she might not be a squadmate. She might be like Engineer Adams on the Normandy SR1.

That makes no sense.  She's been fighting on your side as a squad mate for two games and suddenly she decides she just wants to chill in the engine room?  No, if she's back, she'll be on your squad.  And she's almost guaranteed to be back.

It's probably not even worth discussing who will and won't be back--I'm pretty sure with an import save game, you will get your full ME2 squad plus Liara and Ashley/Kaiden.  Debating who will be alive in the default Shep's game is a more interesting debate, and I think Garrus and Tali are locks for that.

[FlyinElk212]

Valmy wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Why?  Out of every squadmate, he's most likely to be on your team and alive at the end of the game, and he's a fan favorite.

Huh?  He is just likely to be alive and on your team as much as anybody else.

Actually, that's not quite true. Garrus is labeled "a good leader", and thus can survive leading secondary teams if chosen. Mordin, however, is not labeled "a good leader". Since Mordin does not have any other special roles he can fulfill in the suicide mission, he is more likely to die than Garrus.

There are a plethora of factors in determining who can survive over the other. I'm going to analyze this later today and make a post about it detailing which characters have the best chance of survival at the end of the game. My theory is that Bioware will choose those individuals to return to the group.

When it comes to Garrus, he fulfills 2 roles from the suicide mission, but can still die from an explosion on the ship if it isn't properly upgraded. I don't think his chances of survival are the highest (Miranda comes to mind). I'll get back to everyone later today with the math on this.

[PiercedMonk]

No doubt any surviving characters from either of the first two games--with the possible exception of Thane, who's on his last legs--will be making an appearance in the third installment. But anyone who thinks any of them other than Liara, the only character garunteed to still be alive, will be on the squad is setting themselves up for dissapointment.

[Trueflow]

Seventh: I remember reading a comment from Bioware, even before ME1 came out, of the potential of a romance developed across three games. Everyone for a while assumed that was Alenko, Ashley, or Liara, but it really turned out to be Garrus and Tali. It would be a shame if they didn't show up in ME3 in a significant way. I know I've spent a lot of time and energy on Tali; upgrading her, installing her Normandy addons, saved her from exile, keeped her close in the final mission. And I'm most other players did the same, if not with Tali, then some other character. Why shouldn't our choices and efforts bare fruit in ME3? It doesn't seem fair to punish the majority just for the choices of a minority.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Putting a different spin on the OP idea, what do people think will be the 'canon' for NEW ME3 players?



ME2 had council die, Udina as leader, opposite sex member surviving virimire, which to me is a big indication that they can be potential LIs for new people in ME3 or for those who missed out in previous games and a bunch of other things (forgot whether wrex live/dead).



So going on the pro-renegade stance it seemed to take, same for ME3 maybe?



MaleShep suicide mission survivors definitly including Tali, Miranda and Jack, whilst FemShep suicide mission survivors definitly including Garrus, Jacob and Thane? Mordin would surely be needed for the Tech Lab to be 'open' for either Sheps? Collector base saved, Ash/Kaiden again picked for alternate Male/FemShep in respective order, Legion sent back to Cerberus.

[Archereon]

On terms of Garrus' appearance odds, I'm not just talking about the suicide mission, I'm also referring to his plot (which would require a serious stretch to remove him), and the fact that he's a mandatory character (you can choose not to recruit Tali, Samara, or Thane since you only need eight characters to do the suicide mission) to have in the squad. Garrus isn't the highest on suicide mission survival (though he's one of the less likely to die, especially in the "hold the line" part), but he's otherwise the most viable, and since he's a fan favorite, its safe to assume a large number of players won't import unless he survives.

[FlyinElk212]

Archereon wrote...

On terms of Garrus' appearance odds......since he's a fan favorite, its safe to assume a large number of players won't import unless he survives.

Bioware can't create a game based on assumptions. If they did, Wrex would be a returning member, since it's safe to assume a large number of players kept him alive.

I'm with you on a lot of your points, Archereon (we seem to be in the minority...), but Garrus' return, like every other squadmember's return, will have to depend on something more concrete. I'm going with survival probability.

[FlyinElk212]

Davian1980 wrote...

PiercedMonk wrote...

No doubt any surviving characters from either of the first two games--with the possible exception of Thane, who's on his last legs--will be making an appearance in the third installment. But anyone who thinks any of them other than Liara, the only character garunteed to still be alive, will be on the squad is setting themselves up for dissapointment.

So explain to me why Liara should be on the squad then? I mean she is busy hunting the Shadow Broker which is why she wouldn't join you in ME2. So unless she miraculously found him and killed him between ME2 and ME3 I don't see her coming with you. I want as many squaddies from ME2 joining me as possible with possible exceptions of Mordin (quite old), Thane (dying) and Samara (going back to her Justicar duties). Plus Ashley/Kaidan rejoining you.

Davian, I think a huge part of the plot in ME3 will be Shepard HELPING Liara hunt down the Shadow Broker. It'll be one big reveal after 3 games of waiting. Liara returning only makes sense--she's the only guaranteed member of either game to be alive and is a shoe-in when it comes to game development.

Since she HAS to be alive in the ME3 universe, the devs would be stupid to leave her out. She is the only continuous crew member of EVERY player's game.

[Archereon]

@FlyingElk: They can't, but its also unlikely they can bring back every single squadmate for ME3, therefore they have to strike a balance between viability and marketability when choosing returning characters.

[SgTKilmor]

Most if not, everyone should be in the next game. Casey Hudson said at CES that that were planning to use the same cast with no added characters. Of course things change, but re building a team AGAIN, would just be stupid. I'd like to keep these guys, please, they're nice to have around. There's a few I don't really care about, but otherwirse, it's good.



I have no doubt that at least the fan favorites of ME2 will be in ME3, as squadmates/ LI. if not the entire cast.

[Ehlisuun]

The only dev comments on the matter is that players can expect most of the ME2 squad back, so why does everyone expect otherwise?

[Headcount]

Guys, ME3 will be the last game and so it has to be EPIC in 'Return of the King' style. Which means any character that survives will be coming back. Garrus and Tali are very popular and its a no brainer that they'll be coming back as squadmates unless the player does something stupid like getting them killed in ME2. I have faith in BW will do us right... Just not when it comes to DLC of their armors.

[Archereon]

Last I heard they said there were already working on a new squad for ME3. In correlation with the dev comment on the ME2 character cast returning, it seems very likely few if any ME2 squaddies will return.

[Gill Kaiser]

Since practically the entire plot of ME2 was gathering a group of interesting people and most of the missions were character development rather than plot development, I don't really think it would make much sense to introduce more than a few new characters in ME3. Bioware already have a wealth of interesting characters to choose from, from both ME1 and ME2. I think the emphasis in ME3 has to be on the plot.

[Archereon]

@Headcount: ME has enough players who will buy ME3 no matter what that they don't have to worry about the game actually being awesome, just making it look awesome. Combine that with the fact the EA wants Bioware to put multiplayer in ME3 (hopefully coOP rather than competitive), and the early 2011 release date, Bioware is going to be pressed to cut corners, and its hard to make a game with variable plot lines.

[Sullax]

Archereon wrote...

Last I heard they said there were already working on a new squad for ME3. In correlation with the dev comment on the ME2 character cast returning, it seems very likely few if any ME2 squaddies will return.

That would suck and it would even be a bit strange...

I mean, you spend your whole time in ME2 to recruit the most badassed, insane, powerful and near-death people in the known galaxy (even in non-council-space), yet in ME3 you logically would need to have MORE uber squadmates, which have to go to not only a suicide mission, but a mission, which is critical for the survival of the whole life in milky way! Will we get Chuck Norris to recruit or whut? It just doesn't seem right, that there are more remarkable individuals, Cerberus has overlooked.

Modifié par Sullax, 11 février 2010 - 05:50 .

[Mr Theropod]

Next game will be a "recruit the race" type game, similar to dragon age



Tali will step in and be leading a portion of the quarians



Legion will be leading the geth obviously, since he is a unique construct



Wrex leading the krogan



The alliance, lead by that guy whose name escapes me at the moment





They will be recruitable groups, but its doubtful they will be direct party members

[alekvie1337]

Those who are almost sure to not be included:

Thane - He'll die

Samara - She said she would leave

Legion - Just my gut feeling :]

Grunt - You don't have to use him. (Then again I think he said he wanted to fight with shepard)

Mordin - He's too old. Probably gonna stay on the ship though.

Jacob - Not really a fan favorite, and I think he'll leave. Don't know for sure though.



Unsure list:

Jack - I don't know if she'll leave or not, but I guess she'll leave. But I don't have any arguments to why she'll leave.

Miranda - She does say "F!ck off" to TIM, but I'm not sure. 50/50



And I think Garrus and Tali will be in the next game, just because everyone wants to, and bioware don't want to lose money

[Brahlis]

I wish people would think before they post.