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[alekvie1337]

Oh and my post is just theory, no facts

[DirewolfX]

Archereon wrote...

Last I heard they said there were already working on a new squad for ME3. In correlation with the dev comment on the ME2 character cast returning, it seems very likely few if any ME2 squaddies will return.

You're going to need to provide a reference if you make an assertion like that.  Your buddy at the seven-eleven doesn't count as a reliable resource.

[Zemore]

the Ops orginal statment about Garrius i belive to be pretty true but the tali comment made me lol

shes on the 2nd set of dossiers and he said u dont need to recruit her but then she would be dead from the geth so recruiting her has the point that your keeping her alive the choice we make all change the world slightly 3 mabye the choices in 1 and 2 change the world in to completley different games altogether

Modifié par Zemore, 11 février 2010 - 05:57 .

[nitefyre410]

Archereon wrote...

Garrus...

Why?  Out of every squadmate, he's most likely to be on your team and alive at the end of the game, and he's a fan favorite.

Now don't get me wrong, I'd like Tali and Legion to be ME3 squadmates as well, but both of them, especially Legion, have major issues preventing them from getting on the squad.

Tali is in the second wave of dossiers, meaning she's not necessarily on the team at the end of the game, and is therefore out.  Backing this up is the fact that she has a potential write out (becoming one of the admirals/going on a quest or something to regain her stature among the Quarian people), is easy enough to kill in the suicide mission, and you can loose her loyalty (legion/tali fight), there's no virtually no chance at all of her appearing as a squaddie.

Legion has an even bigger obstacle than Tali for getting onto the squad: canon Shepard doesn't have him (as canon choices are always renegade whenever there is no neutral option, and recruiting Legion is a paragon choice), and he's on the second wave of recruitments, so he's out.

The rest of the squadmates have a potential write out in their plot, are easy to kill in the suicide mission, are disliked, or have similar issues to Legion and Tali.

Grunt doesn't HAVE to be awakened so he's out.

Thane's illness is a built in write out, and he's in the second (optional) wave of dossiers.

Samara/Mornith's departure is easy to justify, and they're both optional and highly variable.

Mordin dies a lot in the suicide mission, so he's out.

You can loose Jack/Miranda's loyalty, meaning they're out. 

Zaeed/Kasumi are DLC.  'nuff said.

Nobody likes Jacob, and following his suggestion to send him into the ducts gets him killed.

(Blasto is a joke)


So there you have it, Garrus is the only character with fans that's unlikely to die and is mandatory to recruit.

Sorry to rain on the parades of you hopefuls...:crying::crying:

 


So bioware and EA just wasted a couple of million dollars and many man hours... building a deep cast of characters just to  have them not appear in ME 3... do yourself a favor ... play the game AGAIN... and this  time pay attention. ME 2 is set up to introduce the Cast of the ME 3... 

[Archereon]

DirewolfX: Don't have the exact link (found it on the forums), but I believe it was an IGN interview. its also been pulled up again and again around the forums, so it wasn't an isolated incident.

[Brahlis]

To the OP: You DO know that if they return Liara and Kaiden/Ashley, and remove Samara (Justicar, has no reason to stay) and Thane (sick) or someone else then they have the EXACT number of squadmates they had in ME2, right?



So why in the blue ****ing hell would they remove them all and make new squad mates? THat makes zero sense.



The entire argument for not having returning squadmates is that there'd be too many. But I pretty much blew that fallacy up. I can't believe we keep getting posts like this.

[Phil725]

I'm not sure why everyone is assuming another 2 year or so plot break between ME2 and ME3. Just because it happened last time doesn't mean it will happen again.



The way I see it, the third game is just as likely to pick up a week after the suicide mission than it is years in the future. It's better from a character perspective. Thane's still alive, as is Mordin (he's 50 in the first game and a salarian over 40 is rare,) and Tali isn't an admiral.



You also wouldn't need to spend 75% of the game recruiting. I would have a hard time believing that your entire crew will just say "yeah, I know the reapers are coming, but I want to go hang out on the citadel instead." It will require much more convoluted reasons than Liara's obsession and Ashley/Kaiden being alliance mind slaves. If they do end up coming up with ridiculously stupid reasons to get rid of the entire ME2 team, it will seriously taint my view of the game. And I definitely don't want the Normandy blown up again in the first 5 minutes just to kill off the entire ME2 team.



Plus look at it this way, which side is better; Have Tali/Garrus as a squad member, and have a dead/alive flag. Or have Tali/Garrus on a random planet, write an entirely new quarian/turian squad member, and spend a lot of money on fireproofing/bulletproofing buildings.



It seems like an easy choice to me.

[alekvie1337]

It's true, but saying there's little chance of this happening is just... yeah

Modifié par alekvie1337, 11 février 2010 - 06:02 .

[Daeion]

Shatakai wrote...

I personally think Bioware played things too safely in ME2. They need to take a stand and say "If you're team survived the suicide mission, you'll be able to recruit a decent amount of them again in ME3. If they died, that's just too damn bad for you. This is your story, and in your story, so-and-so died. You simply won't have a squadmate that others might have."

Honestly they should have just made it all or nothing in the end, either everyone lives or everyone dies and if you loose two people during the mission your team can't hold the line so they all die and while you were still able to take down the reaper, the collectors get to you because there was no one to hold them back.

[Daeion]

klossen4 wrote...

liara was destroyed for me in me2 so no thanks.

Don't give up hope!!!!!  We may yet get some DLC that can bring her back to our hearts.

[chool77]

Trueflow wrote...

Archereon: Bioware is here to make money. Especially since they''ve been acquired by EA. Tali will help make them money. They'll find a way to appease Tali fans that outnumber everyone else combined.

here here good sir;)

[PiercedMonk]

Davian1980 wrote...

PiercedMonk wrote...

No doubt any surviving characters from either of the first two games--with the possible exception of Thane, who's on his last legs--will be making an appearance in the third installment. But anyone who thinks any of them other than Liara, the only character garunteed to still be alive, will be on the squad is setting themselves up for dissapointment.

So explain to me why Liara should be on the squad then? I mean she is busy hunting the Shadow Broker which is why she wouldn't join you in ME2. So unless she miraculously found him and killed him between ME2 and ME3 I don't see her coming with you.

I'm not saying she should or should not, just that she's the only character who hasn't died in somebody's game, and thus the only one the developers wouldn't have to figure out a work-around to include in the squad.

As FlyingElk212 suggested, perhaps recruiting her could involve helping her deal with the Shadow Broker and freeing Feron. Hell, he could join your squad, too.

When you get right down to it, it's not a matter of popularity, but logistics. There's only so much resources--time, money, disk space, etc.--available to create a game. As much as everyone loves Mordin or Garrus or Tali, the fact remains that for some folks, they're dead. Having even the most popular characters return as squadmates means twice the strain on resources for BioWare, because they need to make a work around so that for anyone who let those characters die still has squadmates for 'Mass Effect 3'. Even if it's just a slightly altered script, there needs to be a new design, new animations, new voice actor, so on and so forth. Simple when it's a cameo appearance like Wrex in 'ME 2'; a lot more complex if Tali's a squadmate in 'ME 3'. Doing things the way BioWare does is both a blessing and a curse.

So, we can expect lots of cameos in 'ME 3', and an almost entirely new squad. Hopefully the story won't focus quite so much on assembling the squad, but will be instead be a return to the more epic goal driven plot of 'ME 1'.

[petipas1414]

Sorry, but I think most of the people will be returning. I'd like to think the scene where they're all gearing up at the end of ME2 is an indication of this.



I agree with the Thane thing maybe, but everything else.. nope.

[Talogrungi]

Liara is the only 100% certainty for me. She's the only unkillable character in ME1 and ME2.

I think the rest will return, but only for imports where they don't die in ME2.

[JK_darrou]

Archereon wrote...

Oh yeah, Liara. She's pretty much guaranteed, but out of the ME2 squad, Garrus is probably the only one that has a chance to come back.

who knows man, you might get suprised.

[FlyinElk212]

Brahlis wrote...

I wish people would think before they post.

LOL! Amen, brother.

PiercedMonk wrote...

Davian1980 wrote...

PiercedMonk wrote...

No
doubt any surviving characters from either of the first two games--with
the possible exception of Thane, who's on his last legs--will be making
an appearance in the third installment. But anyone who thinks any of
them other than Liara, the only character garunteed to still be alive,
will be on the squad is setting themselves up for
dissapointment.

So explain to me why Liara should be on
the squad then? I mean she is busy hunting the Shadow Broker which is
why she wouldn't join you in ME2. So unless she miraculously found him
and killed him between ME2 and ME3 I don't see her coming with you.

I'm
not saying she should or should not, just that she's the only character
who hasn't died in somebody's game, and thus the only one the
developers wouldn't have to figure out a work-around to include in the
squad.

As FlyingElk212 suggested, perhaps recruiting her could
involve helping her deal with the Shadow Broker and freeing Feron.
Hell, he could join your squad, too.

When you get right down to
it, it's not a matter of popularity, but logistics. There's only so
much resources--time, money, disk space, etc.--available to create a
game. As much as everyone loves Mordin or Garrus or Tali, the fact
remains that for some folks, they're dead. Having even the most popular
characters return as squadmates means twice the strain on resources for
BioWare, because they need to make a work around so that for anyone who
let those characters die still has squadmates for 'Mass Effect 3'. Even
if it's just a slightly altered script, there needs to be a new
design, new animations, new voice actor, so on and so forth. Simple
when it's a cameo appearance like Wrex in 'ME 2'; a lot more complex if
Tali's a squadmate in 'ME 3'. Doing things the way BioWare does is both
a blessing and a curse.

So, we can expect lots of cameos in 'ME
3', and an almost entirely new squad. Hopefully the story won't focus
quite so much on assembling the squad, but will be instead be a return
to the more epic goal driven plot of 'ME 1'.

Winner. Emotions and popularity can only drive game developers so far. Bioware has to think in terms of practicality.

[Archereon]

To Brahlis: Those last three sentences confirm you never read the OP. I didn't say they wouldn't return squad mates because there would be too many, I said they would remove them to ease development costs (having to make enough squadmates to fill every role for characters that may be dead would be expensive.

[Cerrydd]

petipas1414 wrote...

Sorry, but I think most of the people will be returning. I'd like to think the scene where they're all gearing up at the end of ME2 is an indication of this.

This is what I thought. When you walk into the room at the end, the shot shows all surviving members looking at you like "what's next?". Then you see the Reapers approaching. It looks like there's no time to lose. But maybe my imagination is fooling me.

[TyDurden13]

Archereon wrote...

DirewolfX: Don't have the exact link (found it on the forums), but I believe it was an IGN interview. its also been pulled up again and again around the forums, so it wasn't an isolated incident.

Actually the quote I see getting pulled up again and again is this one (from Casey Hudson w/r/t ME3 planning):

"I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "

Link Here

This one seems to indicate they do intend to being the ME2 cast back.  Now that doesn't mean there will be no new squadmates either.

Modifié par TyDurden13, 11 février 2010 - 06:29 .

[TobiasRieper]

I trust Bioware to be able and surprise us all with the extensive differences in ways to play through the 3rd instalment of the series. (I mean, they're making TOR for Christ's sake!)



I'm sure there will be a multitude of things of importance in the last game and having some of the squad members survive will make them available (or at least the most of them and you're LI) as squadmembers in the next game.



I wouldn't be surprised that importing your savegame could actually already make you unable to defeat the Reapers in the end (if you made some horribly dense and stupid decisions along the way).



The only ones who are most definitely out are Samara, Thane (maybe replaced by his son) and Mordin.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Why should BW throw away the



-3d models

- (now experienced) voice actors

- character biographies?



That would be massively retarded. They are a business, and using the existing material is the best thing for them to do.

[The Governator]

Tali is too good to be just written off in certain ways.  The only way is if she becomes something great among the Quarian people.

As for the fight with Legion, I have not activated Legion yet, and will not because I respect Tali (I know, a fictional character, but still...).  I also think that Tali should stay for sisterly love (female Shepard) or true love (male Shepard) for ME3.  Without Tali, the galaxy just ain't worth saving.

[The Governator]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...


I thought this as well.  Also, if you recall, the only way Bioware could get the ME1 team to disperse was to fricking blow up the Normandy and kill Shepard.  That's what it took to get the squaddies to go their separate ways.  Shep's that good of a leader.  People don't just up and quit on her (indulge with me my pronouns please.)

Now, not saying that they couldn't do that again, but it would start to feel a little like a Scooby Doo episode if they did.  "Monster and guest star of the week."  It's also the last game in the trilogy so they don't have to be so careful on controlling variables anymore.  They can afford to have 500 endings and a butt load of squaddies because they don't have to import all that into ME4.  It's also their last chance to impress.  I think they will really want to end the trilogy with a Return of the Jedi level bang.  I don't the whole cast will be back.  That would be a nightmare of complexity, but I bet you see many more returning characters than you did in ME2.  If nothing else the LIs...nobody's LI arc has been resolved yet with the possible exception of Miranda and Jacob, which I think are mostly just flings.

All that implicative repairing the Normandy and talking to your surviving squad at the end...I think it's very important.

The perfect retort.  Most should and will come back.  Tali and Garrus are my two favorites.  I want Kaidan as well and Wrex there as well.  The rest are meh.  Well, Jacob.  He's cool as hell, actually...but Tali first.