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[Rolenka]

Every step of the way he's a total pantywaist.

Didn't Duncan know? I was under the impression his beard tingled in the presence of fear.

[Sandtigress]

I suspect that Duncan just couldn't find anyone better in Highever - Jory won the tournament, and there was no "Alistair" there to show him up in character as happened in Redcliffe, and being desperate for new members, and since the Wardens take all types, Jory it was. I guess if the Wardens can take murderers, kin-slayers, blood mages, and thieves, they might as well take spineless whiners, if they can fight.

[Chasedanger]

He's a big dude and handy in a fight. But yes, he's a big **** when he faces the unknown. Thereby making him pretty useless as a Warden. So ummm....yeah WTF DID Duncan pick his ass, lol. He should have just told him go home the second he started whining. I can picture now...

Jory "how much farther to Ostagar now Duncan?"

Duncan: "Not far now"

Jory: "Are we there yet, these woods are quite cold?" ...

Duncan: "Oh SHUT UP you annoying son of a genlock!"

[Grossbard]

He wanted for Ser Jory to become a Grey Warden

[fchopin]

Jory was a good fighter, it was Duncan’s fault for not explaining the joining ritual correctly.

[Monica21]

fchopin wrote...

Jory was a good fighter, it was Duncan’s fault for not explaining the joining ritual correctly.

I have to disagree. Why should Jory get the in-depth explanation of what the Joining was before he agreed to being a Grey Warden when no one else did?

[Babaghanouj]

Um, the ritual is a secret. Besides, Grey Wardens have the right on conscription so it's not like it matters either way. In times of strife you take whatever allies you can muster. I don't know why so many people are stuck on Jory, I thought that part of the story made perfect sense. Jory is strong physically, but weak mentally. Being a Grey Warden doesn't automatically make someone uber-everything, it just makes them a Grey Warden.



Alistair whines as much or more than Jory. At least Jory tried to make a life for himself, even if he's about as smart as his boots.

[fchopin]

Monica21 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Jory was a good fighter, it was Duncan’s fault for not explaining the joining ritual correctly.

I have to disagree. Why should Jory get the in-depth explanation of what the Joining was before he agreed to being a Grey Warden when no one else did?

Very simple, it was Duncan’s fault for every person he recruited.
 
There is not one person on the planet who would have joined if they new what it meant.

[MClover]

fchopin wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Jory was a good fighter, it was Duncan’s fault for not explaining the joining ritual correctly.

I have to disagree. Why should Jory get the in-depth explanation of what the Joining was before he agreed to being a Grey Warden when no one else did?

Very simple, it was Duncan’s fault for every person he recruited.
 
There is not one person on the planet who would have joined if they new what it meant.

Actually I would have no problem with this. I am being as honest as I can, but the internet doesn't really display that honesty well.

[fchopin]

MClover wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Jory was a good fighter, it was Duncan’s fault for not explaining the joining ritual correctly.

I have to disagree. Why should Jory get the in-depth explanation of what the Joining was before he agreed to being a Grey Warden when no one else did?

Very simple, it was Duncan’s fault for every person he recruited.
 
There is not one person on the planet who would have joined if they new what it meant.

Actually I would have no problem with this. I am being as honest as I can, but the internet doesn't really display that honesty well.

At least you tried.<_<

[Sandtigress]

I suspect a big problem with telling people about the cost is that the ones who would be okay making that sacrifice (I would probably be okay with it too - my Warden who is most like me accepts it willingly enough as the cost to save the world) are not necessarily the same people who would be effective at ending the Blight. You would have a few noble knights who are willing to do so - Daveth, while not the knightly type, was certainly willing to offer himself for the cause.



But you would lose a lot of effective warriors - many of the cut-throat, ruthless types - who might be vital to the "whatever it takes" mentality of winning against the Archdemon. And you would have family/lovers/friends doing whatever they could to prevent loved ones from joining, even if the subject themself was willing to accept the cost.



In the end, I think secrecy until its too late is probably the better option. After all, the Wardens have been around for probably near a millenia. Surely they've had some trial and error in the process of the Joining.

[Curlain]

Poor Jory, he suffers from becoming a plot point to make sure we understand there is no turning back. I'm sure he has a red tunic on underneath that armour :-)

[Arbiter Libera]

Curlain wrote...

Poor Jory, he suffers from becoming a plot point to make sure we understand there is no turning back. I'm sure he has a red tunic on underneath that armour :-)

Either that or because he broke one of the RPG rules: never mention your wife waiting for you back home.
That never bodes well.

Modifié par Arbiter Libera, 11 février 2010 - 06:30 .

[Sandtigress]

Arbiter Libera wrote...

Curlain wrote...

Poor Jory, he suffers from becoming a plot point to make sure we understand there is no turning back. I'm sure he has a red tunic on underneath that armour :-)

Either that or because he broke one of the RPG rules: never mention your wife waiting for you back home.
That never bodes well.

Not just a wife, but an unborn child as well!  His doom was sealed right from the start.

[NightmarezAbound]

My question is, why did Duncan wait until the joining to gut the coward?

Of course it may have been a bit of Ser Jory's naivete showing through. afterall he was probably too young to fight against the Orlesians, so who knows what type of experience outside of Bandits and Tournaments he had, then to be faced with the threat of a Horde, much less a Darkspawn Horde. He probably folded when reality gave him a nice good smack in the face. It is easy to be a soldier in peace.

[Babaghanouj]

Because then we wouldn't be able to drag him whimpering through the forest.

[guytza]

fchopin wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Jory was a good fighter, it was Duncan’s fault for not explaining the joining ritual correctly.

I have to disagree. Why should Jory get the in-depth explanation of what the Joining was before he agreed to being a Grey Warden when no one else did?

Very simple, it was Duncan’s fault for every person he recruited.
 
There is not one person on the planet who would have joined if they new what it meant.

After playing the Dalish Elf origin, I have to disagree. Your  options are A) Die a horrible slow death while turning into something evil and twisted or Take a shot at the Joining Ritual which will either kill you instantly or give you about 30 years of life as a hero of almost every nation on the planet, nightmares, and increased appetite.

All things considered on those choices....pass the kool-aid filled pimp cup Duncan, I'm thirsty.

[ervanol]

Another thing I do not understand is why Soris, your companion in the City Elf origin, isn't recruited. He fights alongside you your way into the castle. I think in my game he even made the killing blow to Vaughan, yet he isn't good enough for the Grey Wardens and takes the heat of the crimes you have committed together with him.

[guytza]

Sandtigress wrote...

Arbiter Libera wrote...

Curlain wrote...

Poor Jory, he suffers from becoming a plot point to make sure we understand there is no turning back. I'm sure he has a red tunic on underneath that armour :-)

Either that or because he broke one of the RPG rules: never mention your wife waiting for you back home.
That never bodes well.

Not just a wife, but an unborn child as well!  His doom was sealed right from the start.

So very true, but he did mention that his wife and unborn child were in Highever right? So if you want to think of it this way, Arle Howe likely killed them along with everyone else. One more reason to shank the squirmy bastage.

I do wish Daveth had made it through though, he seemed like Grey Warden material.

[Monica21]

fchopin wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Jory was a good fighter, it was Duncan’s fault for not explaining the joining ritual correctly.

I have to disagree. Why should Jory get the in-depth explanation of what the Joining was before he agreed to being a Grey Warden when no one else did?

Very simple, it was Duncan’s fault for every person he recruited.
 
There is not one person on the planet who would have joined if they new what it meant.

Considering that Grey Wardens are the only people who can stop the Blight, and everyone and everything will die without killing the Archdemon, that's an overstatement at best. There are quite a few who have nothing to lose (Daveth) and others who would see it as a legitimate sacrifice for the greater good.

[_Aine_]

I`d recruit the biggest whiners for arch-demon duty, personally. Is that wrong? (kidding!)

Faced with known enemies, maybe he was kick-ass, we dont know. He had a definite fear of the unknown for sure. That and I think he just ran off to take leave of his familial responsibility anyway! When Daveth said " wouldn't you die to save your pretty wife?" he stammered. Epic fail, Ser Jory. lol Stabbity stab.

Modifié par shantisands, 11 février 2010 - 07:01 .

[fchopin]

Monica21 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Jory was a good fighter, it was Duncan’s fault for not explaining the joining ritual correctly.

I have to disagree. Why should Jory get the in-depth explanation of what the Joining was before he agreed to being a Grey Warden when no one else did?

Very simple, it was Duncan’s fault for every person he recruited.
 
There is not one person on the planet who would have joined if they new what it meant.

Considering that Grey Wardens are the only people who can stop the Blight, and everyone and everything will die without killing the Archdemon, that's an overstatement at best. There are quite a few who have nothing to lose (Daveth) and others who would see it as a legitimate sacrifice for the greater good.

Also considering that wardens become monsters then we have a scenario of wardens fighting monster wardens in the future if any survived.
 
What does that tell you?
 
Or will bioware give us a different scenario in the expansion?

[RobinMichelleB]

Duncan makes it quite clear from the beginning of the game that he will do anything to stop my Blight. When I talked to him on my mage and asked him about blood magic, he was like, sure, as long as we stop the darkspawn! And that's basically his opinion about everything. LoL Duncan is practical almost to a fault, and I actually think he probably would have a lot of issues with some of the things you might do on a more goody two-shoes character. I'm still trying to figure out how to respond to Jory's death on my mage (reroll, so I haven't gotten there yet). I mean, she told Jowan what the Joining was and helped him escape... she's felt trapped by the Circle all of her life... how would she react to this? God, I love RPing. Hehe.

[Darkannex]

Ser Jory won the tourney that they held for the Grey Wardens. It appears that he was quite dazzled by the perceived hero-worship that the GW received and considered it a glorious thing to be a GW. But it's obvious that he was very much naive about realities. But is that in of itself a sin? Many people lose their illusions - and perhaps underneath that - Duncan felt that Jory could rise above such notions of heroics and glory.

It appears to me that the GW cloak their truth in such trappings as a means of survivial. They cultivate the air of mystique and glory to hide the truth. Because the truth would very much destroy them. If they admitted that they are tainted-they would be perceived as walking ghouls - or worse. Almost like S.K's the Stand - those that resisted the virus were not so much honored as poked and imprisoned.

Alistair says that Duncan has a good eye for character-but I have doubts myself about Jory. He seems to have too much baggage in terms of a family. Duncan did not recruit the CE's mother for that very reason - of course now with a Blight he must be less sympathetic.

The impression I get is that Jory willingly offered himself up to the GW, was given several opportunites to back out, and persisted to the point where once he knew their secret-he could not be released back to the masses. GW's have a reason to hide their taint - Jory released at the moment of ritual would have been blabbing it to high heaven.

Modifié par Darkannex, 11 février 2010 - 08:26 .