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[DigitalMaster37]

XX55XX wrote...

onlyonesock wrote...

How do you fix that double entry thing?

Can't be fixed, unfortunately. We must rely on the good faith of others.

or possibly a different survey tool.

[adam_grif]

Args, the survey isn't there. I wanted to vote.

[Gerse1]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

"If you are looking for accuracy, never ask a fanboy anything about their opinion." No, if you are looking for a good prediction of how *you* will feel about a character or game, you should be wary of fanboy/girl opinions and just see for yourself. Still has nothing to do with polling who people's favorite characters are.

I peacefully disagree, you don't ask a fanboy nothing. At best you will get lucky and agree with them, most commonly you will look at yourself and see a donkey.

It is just a reality and even in the corporate world they know they must do certain things to adjust for the margin of error, this is all I am adding, nothing more, nothing less.

yeahhh...i said you shouldn't trust a fanboy's answer either, just for different reasons...soo...not sure how that's in disagreement. and as for getting an objective sample you are only taking them from people on forums, who are more likely to be fan-____ anyway because those are the majority of people who would register their game and get on a bioware site to discuss ME ad nauseum in the first place.

[Gerse1]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

It's just an opinion survey. It's not like we're deciding the futures of our respective countries here. Even the most rabid fanboys should have their opinions counted--once. That's really the bigger problem here, but XX55XX seems to think it's not having as disproportionate effect as it could, so I'm willing to take that at face value.

Delta, I never called you a fanboy. You're the only person to have used that word in this thread, and you started leveling it against others.

I just think, if we're gonna have a poll, why not get a objective view on people's preferences, and if a person can't be objective, then we really don't need their input, but that is just me talking, maybe others feel like you do. I know I at least heard one person see it from my POV in this thread.

There will be no better way to destroy your poll's "objectiveness" than by injecting your personal opinions about what characters deserve into the results.  It's an opinion. Opinions are by their nature subjective.  You can't get around that.  If you don't think characters deserve 1's or 10's, why didn't you make the poll 2 through 9 then for chrissakes.  Like I already said, it doesn't matter if you think that no character deserves a 1 because Bioware put a lot of work into them and upon "objective" assessment (meaning analyzing the character from a literary, skill, or writer's craft standpoint) none of them are literally terrible.  This is a poll of multiple people's opinion.  Just because they haven't put measured thought into their feelings about a character doesn't mean they aren't allowed to pick whatever number they want.

[Gerse1]

oh and for the record as far as I can tell the Tali and Garrus fans are not by any means in a war (see sig)  ...not that that should be relevant either.

[KainrycKarr]

No fans should be in a war.



fighting amongst what we want will only lead Bioware to create new crap, throw it at us, and hope it sticks.



The fanbase uniting and establishing that they want the characters, old and new, to return, would be far more beneficial to EVERYONE'S goals.





Naturally, everyone is doing the opposite and resorting to popularity contests and flamewars.

[deusofnull]

XX55XX wrote...

Instead of spending hours punching in numbers into SPSS, we will have a revised version of the character survey which I started a few days ago. This time, you will take a survey on Google Docs, which will ask several questions and ask you to rate each character on a scale of 1-10, just as before.

Why am I doing this? This way, we can decrease the amount of work necessary in preparing the results, and we can also call on a much larger sample size. And also, asking people about how their romances went in ME1 and ME2 may shed light on how people rate certain characters over others.

You may find the survey here.

If there are any problems, let me now. And please, do not submit more than once! If you do so, this will skew the data.

Edit 1: The survey has exceeded over 1,000 responses. I am shutting it down. Thanks for voting!

This is awesome, your amazing

[DigitalMaster37]

KainrycKarr wrote...

No fans should be in a war.

fighting amongst what we want will only lead Bioware to create new crap, throw it at us, and hope it sticks.

The fanbase uniting and establishing that they want the characters, old and new, to return, would be far more beneficial to EVERYONE'S goals.


Naturally, everyone is doing the opposite and resorting to popularity contests and flamewars.

Once again, thank you KainryKarr, I agree with these statements. I say let's drop the flamewar(s) and just get along and hope the best for each other as none of our goals truly conflict with each others. So at the end of the day, these little LI battles are pointless, but most people already know that.

So Gerse1, give it a rest.

[EDarkness]

I think the way the poll was handled wasn't that good. Put the poll in a place where it'll get more exposure and don't allow any discussion about picks. I don't think this poll really tells us anything.

[SurfaceBeneath]

We should really find some site that is not this one to get some data from. I think that here you're going to get the most extreme opinions, which aren't indicative of anything besides what the most extreme segment of the fanbase thinks.

[DigitalMaster37]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

We should really find some site that is not this one to get some data from. I think that here you're going to get the most extreme opinions, which aren't indicative of anything besides what the most extreme segment of the fanbase thinks.

exactly. But unfortunately you might not have luck getting people to vote on other websites. Here you will see a large number of ____ votes (for the sake of keeping out of another flamewar), that is most definitely NOT how the entire ME fanbase thinks or favors. For that matter if it was the case we'd here it all over the internet by now. It is definitely an isolated....situation. But anyway, I digress, I agree with you--finding other sources would give more "sound" results, but I don't think it is a "working" solution.

Best thing to do is limit all voters to one vote. there are other hosting sites where a survey can be built and actually protect against double entries.

[ComTrav]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

I had no idea that there was fanboy/girl drama on these forums.

Does that happen in those relationship or "X character LOVE" threads that I so meticulously avoid?

Wanted to bump this thread, and felt commenting on this was a good way to do it.

Most "X Character LOVE" threads are actually filled with LOVE for X Character. Sometimes you get a trolling comment ("Character X sucks, character Y is so much better!"), but it's not like Character X's thread is flooded by Character Y's forces in a coordinated flame war assault. Most of the most frequent posters on these threads seem to feel that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and they should 'live and let live' and 'everyone should get theirs in ME3.' And lots of people are fans of lots of different characters, so if Character X's thread was filled with venom for Character Y, you turn off a lot of people who like both characters. Most of the time it's good, clean, dorktacular fun.

I have to give respect  to the Kaiden Alenko thread, here, because they have to deal with a lot of crap and they still keep their Kaiden love going.

[Valmy]

XX55XX wrote...

Edit 1: The survey has exceeded over 1,000 responses. I am shutting it down. Thanks for voting!

Are the results posted anywhere yet?

[XX55XX]

Valmy wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Edit 1: The survey has exceeded over 1,000 responses. I am shutting it down. Thanks for voting!

Are the results posted anywhere yet?

I plan to scrap the results. I will be posting the results for the new survey, later, however. Consider this survey a test survey.

[EhNam13]

XX55XX wrote...

Valmy wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Edit 1: The survey has exceeded over 1,000 responses. I am shutting it down. Thanks for voting!

Are the results posted anywhere yet?

I plan to scrap the results. I will be posting the results for the new survey, later, however. Consider this survey a test survey.

Well thats great I never got to vote in this.
Thanks for taking the time on these though.

Modifié par EhNam13, 12 février 2010 - 07:01 .