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Debate: Gaider vs. The Community


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exorzist

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Is David Gaider BioWare's unofficial figurehead, or is he just a sharp-tongued nuisance?

Anybody who has spent a significant amount of time on BioWare’s Social Network, will have witnessed at leastone of the regular exchanges between Community members and BioWare employees. Whether it is a complaint about the price of DLC, the near-vapour-ware status of PS3-RtO, or how Dragon Age is inferior to Baldur’s Gate 2, the Community is there to post–and so are BioWare.

In the experience of this Warden, having a forum where you can regularly converse with the game’s creators is a significant point to note. Not only does this activity make the Community feel more involved in the object of their interest, but it also allows the creators to see first-hand reactions to their creation. In an ideal world, Community and Creator would live alongside each other, exchanging well thought out remarks and feedback. Striving, in a land of butterflies, exploding toffees and popcorn, to produce–in union–examples of gaming zenith. Image IPB
Of course in the real world such does not occur (excluding, of course, my self-detonating home-made toffees).
More often than not certain vocal members of the Community are found at loggerheads with BioWare’s representatives. The Social Network becomes a proverbial boxing ring of complaints and counter-arguments; of
bad-spelling and an ill-used caps lock.

With Victor Wachter employed as BioWare’s Community Facilitator it may come as a surprise to find that, more often than not, it is David Gaider who hoists BioWare’s banner. Just a glance at their profiles tells a tale: Wachter has his ten visible posts spread out across 12 days, while all ten of Gaider’s have been made within the past 20-hours.


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Modifié par exorzist, 11 février 2010 - 05:52 .


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Bullets McDeath

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I think Gaider would probably win. He beat Spider-man that one time.

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Gabey5

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gaider is my dog. im re reading stolen throne.

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cmathews03

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It's not exactly a secret that the people who frequent (gaming) forums fall into two categories: those who support the game, and those who do not. Mind you, from observation, people who fall into the latter typically flood the forums in mass. After all, it's human nature to vocalize complaints, whereas it isn't exactly commonplace for people to go out of their way to post on a forum their praises and appreciation.

To that end, I hardly find Gaider to be a "sharp-tongued nuisance." His replies are typically in response to melodramatic posts or to posters who just want to get a rise out of the development team. Even in that respect, I don't find Gaider's responses unprofessional in the least.

Some people need to be put in their place. =P

Modifié par cmathews03, 11 février 2010 - 05:59 .


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Maria Caliban

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I like David. Watching him verbally spank random internet idiot 39,567,293 is worth the price of admission, and he also answers questions in regards to lore and game-making.

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Fangirl17

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I enjoy reading his counter arguements,they can be quite amusing.He likes to defend his work.I dont see anything wrong with that.

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RinpocheSchnozberry

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My god, could someone make that post more pretentious?



"to produce–in union–examples of gaming zenith." Greywardens.com must be to DAO what TheOnion.com is to the new, right?

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Gaider is awesome. Some people don't like him, but so what? It doesn't matter who you are somebody is not going to like you.

Modifié par Valmy, 11 février 2010 - 06:03 .


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GEWill

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I see no issue with Gaider. Dude is cool with me.

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FIGHT!

FIGHT!

FIGHT!

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The principle and execution of a forum are apparently two vastly different ideals.

The principle is that the developers can communicate directly to the community and vice versa. The execution is that no matter what, the community will b*tch about everything the developers do, whether that's lack of communication, not the right communication, too much communication or meeting all our expectations.

This sketch reflects the same attitude:
The Online Gamer

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The fact that any of the devs would take time out of their free time to discuss their work with fans (or critics, take your pick) is awesome, in my book. That's what sets good developers/authors/what have you apart from most. People who spend time in touch with their fan base are not common. Sure, sometimes the fan base isn't going to be happy with what they chose to do, but we shouldn't forget that the devs are people too, with, you know, actual emotions and opinions about their works and their intentions behind their works.



If you criticize someone's work, they have the right to respond to your criticism. An honest person will say that sometimes the criticism is spot on, and sometimes, its way off base. That's all I've seen here. If sometimes the post comes off as sarcastic or snarky...well....look at DA:O. There's plenty of that in the writing, so we should be surprised if occasionally the authors bring it here too? I'd say its only to be expected, and makes the argument that much more fun, if you can respond in kind.

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There are better ways to promote your website than stiring up trouble on the offical forums.

IBTL

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exorzist wrote...

Is David Gaider BioWare's unofficial figurehead, or is he just a sharp-tongued nuisance?


Nice way of driving traffic to your site...

I have no problems with Gaider.  Though if I were him, I wouldn't have bothered posting in most of the inane threads that crop up on this forum.  I hope he won't give this one the time of day. 

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When I was playing WoW, one of the developers spoke on their forums. And everytime he did, usually to post some harmless change or suggestion, people went crazy at him. He generated a lot of emotions just for posting in his own time and trying to add a depth to the forum and community.



Eventually he made a post to say it seemed he was doing more harm than good. And everyone who was complaining about him just 5 minutes before were "omg, like who's going to do your job now? noone? but wait... don't go..."



Was just funny. These guys are game developers, they are real people and they post here to benefit us. As long as they don't say anything that can get them fired, its surely better to have them than not, even if you don't always like/agree with what they have to say?

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Herr Uhl

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Is it dev-hunting season again?





If it weren't the more or less regular visits by David, Mary and Sheryl, I'm not sure if I would linger around anymore.

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I don't think I've ever seen Mr. Gaider say anything I didn't agree with. Well, I'm not sure I agree that blood magic isn't intrinsically evil, but that's not what's being referred to here. ;) Me thinks that someone is creating controversy where there is none, a kind of uber-elaborate trolling, perhaps for advertising profit, if they get paid by site traffic numbers.

Modifié par errant_knight, 11 février 2010 - 06:26 .


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0LunarEclipse0

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Gaider hands down and I am right there with him. Sorry Victor no hard feelings.

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I don't understand, what debate is there? All I see there is some pointless and over dramatic observation piece.Gaider is incredibly tame, an occasional senseful and witty remark to a asinine poster does not make one a "sharp-tongued nuisance". As for his and Victors role in the community, David never announces anything, never delivers breaking news, never stretches further then he is allowed to go, Victor is still the one keeping everyone in the loop. David comes to shoot the breeze, chat up about the lore, and occasionally slap some fool who is making unwarranted and unsupported remarks about his work and his company.



That whole "piece" there is nothing but meaningless and misinformed garbage.

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Killian Kalthorne

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David Gaider is a good writer and designer. I don't always agree with his assessment on things, but if we all agree on all things the world would be a boring place. As for BG2 vs. DA, who the smeg cares. I liked BG2. Got my money's worth. I like DA. Got my money's worth. That is all that matters to me.

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This is a video game

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exorzist wrote...

Is David Gaider BioWare's unofficial figurehead, or is he just a sharp-tongued nuisance?

Is this the National Enquirer?  I think the author wants traffic.  I suggest something more sensational.  

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Maria Caliban wrote...

I like David. Watching him verbally spank random internet idiot 39,567,293 is worth the price of admission, and he also answers questions in regards to lore and game-making.


Ditto B)

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RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

My god, could someone make that post more pretentious?

"to produce–in union–examples of gaming zenith." Greywardens.com must be to DAO what TheOnion.com is to the new, right?


Isendale wrote...

There are better ways to promote your website than stiring up trouble on the offical forums.

IBTL


Pretty much sums up that article.

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GEWill

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I just appreciate the fact that he expands on questions regarding lore rather than leaving people to speculate and end up saying untrue, made up things about the lore of DA.