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[Papahet31]

TheMadCat wrote...

I don't understand, what debate is there? All I see there is some pointless and over dramatic observation piece.Gaider is incredibly tame, an occasional senseful and witty remark to a asinine poster does not make one a "sharp-tongued nuisance". As for his and Victors role in the community, David never announces anything, never delivers breaking news, never stretches further then he is allowed to go, Victor is still the one keeping everyone in the loop. David comes to shoot the breeze, chat up about the lore, and occasionally slap some fool who is making unwarranted and unsupported remarks about his work and his company.

That whole "piece" there is nothing but meaningless and misinformed garbage.

This is exactly right.

I laugh that there are actually folks out there that feel it is ok to be flat out mean on a forum post, but then call "foul" when they are called out for it. Gaider is doing nothing wrong. It is the self entitled vocal bunch that need to grow up.

[_Aine_]

Not sure what the debate is. Gaider writer/dev spends what is probably a lot of his personal time here mingling with the community and we expect him to do what? Not share opinion? Always agree with people, some of whom are inflammatory on purpose to invoke anger? Always bow to community needs and demands? I think people forget that he is a person too as well as a face of Bioware. People need to lighten up and appreciate it for what it is, a person who cares enough to show up publicly and share his thoughts on things. And yes that may mean he disagrees with me or you, and if you are a goof, he may call you on it - wouldn't you do the same? Seriously, every day comes with someone whining or yelling, which is all well and good. Your opinions matter no matter what voice you give them ( though tolerance works for me!) but you cant expect people to just get prodded and picked at without sometimes yes, poking back. ****** for tat.

The business mode of " the customer is always right" while good in many ways, in another has created a flaming moronic segment of consumer who have an overgrown sense of entitlement and a belief that the loudest most obnoxious approach will be quieted the most quickly with compliance. Lame.

Some may not always agree with everything David says, but having a dev interacting with the community is one of the things that make this community unique and worth visiting. In a good way. Why create drama over it?

Modifié par shantisands, 11 février 2010 - 06:45 .

[AtreiyaN7]

I love watching Gaider verbally cut down the arguments of idiots personally. It's highly entertaining, especially since I'm a fan of witty sarcasm. Plus, he is also thoughtful and polite, and he answers civil questions in a civil manner (as for the rabble - well, they're just asking for it).

[rogue1983]

damn fanboys to the attack. but for reals Gaider can be an ass sometimes to people who don't deserve it but posting that here will have the fan boys peeing themselves and attacking anyone who says otherwise.

[tehluhlah]

shantisands wrote...

Some may not always agree with everything David says, but having a dev interacting with the community is one of the things that make this community unique and worth visiting. In a good way. Why create drama over it?

This.

David Gaider's posts are one of the biggest reasons I like reading these forums. Clearly his sense of humor is one of the reasons I like his writing in the Dragon Age game and the books. I have personally never seen a post from him that was worth anyone getting their knickers in a twist about. To each their own, I suppose.

[soteria]

When I was playing WoW, one of the developers spoke on their forums. And everytime he did, usually to post some harmless change or suggestion, people went crazy at him. He generated a lot of emotions just for posting in his own time and trying to add a depth to the forum and community.



Eventually he made a post to say it seemed he was doing more harm than good. And everyone who was complaining about him just 5 minutes before were "omg, like who's going to do your job now? noone? but wait... don't go..."



Was just funny. These guys are game developers, they are real people and they post here to benefit us. As long as they don't say anything that can get them fired, its surely better to have them than not, even if you don't always like/agree with what they have to say?

I think the funniest post I've seen by David was his smacking down someone who said something like, "You can't disagree with me! Didn't they teach you in marketing school, the customer is always right?!" David: (paraphrase) "No, actually, the customer can definitely be wrong. Besides, didn't you already say you aren't buying Awakening? So you aren't a customer." Pwnt.

Oh, and I didn't visit your stupid website, so there.

Modifié par soteria, 11 février 2010 - 07:33 .

[wonko33]

Like all of us Gaider is not perfect, for every post where he can be somewhat rude or sarcastic, I can find 5 posts where he was very informative and making efforts to reach out to the community.



I really appreciate all these devs coming over here and shooting the breeze with us, some of their insight is invaluable to the modding community and honestly it's just plain fun to have a way to ask something of the people who made the games you love/hate (usually we can only do that at conventions and stuff).



If they do get a bit upset sometimes, so be it. They worked a lot on DAO and I can see why they could get defensive sometimes.

[bzombo]

i like gaider. sometimes people are just trying to be jerks and he doesn't let them get away with it. i have seen numerous topics where he has joined in and explained a lot of things and helped people understand something that wasn't quite clear. sometimes he can be blunt, but that's nothing to get excited over. better to be blunt than flat out lie. people just like to be offended and so they find reasons to be when there aren't any.

[David Gaider]

Hmm.

I don't know how to feel about the implication that I am either a figurehead or a "sharp-tongued nuisance", but GreyWardens.com is usually a pretty decent site. Despite how some of you might feel about this article, I wouldn't judge the site by it alone.

It seems as if I should post less than I do. I knew that some people took me as Bioware Man, as if I represented and was responsible for everything Bioware simply by way of my visibility, but sharp-tongued figurehead wasn't exactly what I was going for.

Peace.

[Kalfear]

I like that David is backing up his work!

I happen to love DA:O (and didnt think I would as burned out on fantasy in general) so maybe im not as critical of it as I am say ME2 but let me say, Id love for the guy that wrote ME2 to come on forums and back up some of the game decisions made in that game.



As someone that loved the first game, I feel somewhat betrayed by what the 2nd game turned into regarding ME2.



But thats probably why I will buy every DA:O DLC and expansion and games 2 and 3 of the trilogy were as, with out major sucking up and appologies regarding ME2, I will no longer support that franchise. No DLC purchases, on the fence about buying ME3 (lets see what Bioware has to say).



Davids counter part for ME2 could have done alot of good by sticking up for his game like David does DA:O, but maybe the lead writter of ME2 (not Drew and it showed) doesnt beleive in his product like David does.

[Spitz6860]

so what if he visits the forum often, why is that a bad thing?

[the_one_54321]

David Gaider wrote...
Hmm.

I don't know how to feel about the implication that I am either a figurehead or a "sharp-tongued nuisance", but GreyWardens.com is usually a pretty decent site. Despite how some of you might feel about this article, I wouldn't judge the site by it alone.

It seems as if I should post less than I do. I knew that some people took me as Bioware Man, as if I represented and was responsible for everything Bioware simply by way of my visibility, but sharp-tongued figurehead wasn't exactly what I was going for.

Peace.

Don't take it to heart. If nothing else, I am an example that a community member is capable of disageeing with you devs at almost every turn and not make shouting match of it, nor condemn you for your responses.

Besides, most of the people you have verbally whipped, really deserved it.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I've read the article. I've read Mr Gaider's posts. And I am puzzled by the article. It's obvious that he loves the product he helped to create. He is also interested in what his customers think of it. Throw crap at him and you'll get crap back. What's wrong with that?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 11 février 2010 - 08:16 .

[Dahelia]

the_one_54321 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Hmm.

I don't know how to feel about the implication that I am either a figurehead or a "sharp-tongued nuisance", but GreyWardens.com is usually a pretty decent site. Despite how some of you might feel about this article, I wouldn't judge the site by it alone.

It seems as if I should post less than I do. I knew that some people took me as Bioware Man, as if I represented and was responsible for everything Bioware simply by way of my visibility, but sharp-tongued figurehead wasn't exactly what I was going for.

Peace.

Don't take it to heart. If nothing else, I am an example that a community member is capable of disageeing with you devs at almost every turn and not make shouting match of it, nor condemn you for your responses.

Besides, most of the people you have verbally whipped, really deserved it.

And admit it...it is sooo funny to read even if you are the one getting verbally whipped, I would die of laughter if I was the one getting verbally whipped, I couldn't get mad.

[AlanC9]

Some people deserve to be offended.

[Dark_Ansem]

David is cool. he even answers to PMs. I don't know many other developers that would spend so much time with us.

[Fangirl17]

We heart you Mr.Gaider..well most of us

[wonko33]

Kalfear wrote...
Davids counter part for ME2 could have done alot of good by sticking up for his game like David does DA:O, but maybe the lead writter of ME2 (not Drew and it showed) doesnt beleive in his product like David does.

I don't think we should expect devs to come here and do what the DAO guys are doing. I don't hold it against them that the ME2 are not. Just because some devs do give us feedback, it  doesn't entitle us to expect it from all of them. Just be glad that we have that here.

[grieferbastard]

David Gaider wrote...

Hmm.

I don't know how to feel about the implication that I am either a figurehead or a "sharp-tongued nuisance", but GreyWardens.com is usually a pretty decent site. Despite how some of you might feel about this article, I wouldn't judge the site by it alone.

It seems as if I should post less than I do. I knew that some people took me as Bioware Man, as if I represented and was responsible for everything Bioware simply by way of my visibility, but sharp-tongued figurehead wasn't exactly what I was going for.

Peace.

For the love of god. Please, please don't let let a couple of idiots impact your presence in the community. BioWare is one of the handful of environments where the people involved in the games production and development stay involved in the community.

I can't believe this is the most insulting thing you've ever read from a consumer of a product you've helped develop. You've been published so I know you've been through editing. I've heard a writer friend refer to it as 'handing your sixteen year old daughter over to a bunch of pirates with the promise that she'll be much happier and more limber when they give her back in a few days'.

I was really hoping you'd give the thread a miss. By posting here you just inspire people to poke at you. I don't have to agree with you to appreciate that you at least stay involved in the community that plays the games you help develop and books you write. What that adds to the community as a whole can not be overestimated.

[Sloth Of Doom]

David Gaider wrote...

Hmm.

I don't know how to feel about the implication that I am either a figurehead or a "sharp-tongued nuisance", but GreyWardens.com is usually a pretty decent site. Despite how some of you might feel about this article, I wouldn't judge the site by it alone.

It seems as if I should post less than I do. I knew that some people took me as Bioware Man, as if I represented and was responsible for everything Bioware simply by way of my visibility, but sharp-tongued figurehead wasn't exactly what I was going for.

Peace.

Apparently "sharped tounged" means "responds to questions truthfully" and "nuisance" means "someone who is interested in the community."  You....you....meanie-head.

As for being a figurehead for Bioware, I suppose people who don't actually read anything could get that impression since you have a big blue Bioware symbol above your name and post more frequently than other employees.  Of course, once someone actually spends time to read your "sharp tongued" posts they should realize you are just some guy who wrote a lot of DA and doesn't mind talking about the game.  Or is it just that I am such a dick that I don't notice it in others?  Nahhhhh.....

I usually like reading articles over at greywardens.com but this one is really off the mark as far as I am concerned.  It seems more like someone with a minor beef ranting than anything else.  Besides, we all know that Sten is Bioware's figurehead.

[David Gaider]

Dahelia wrote...
And admit it...it is sooo funny to read even if you are the one getting verbally whipped, I would die of laughter if I was the one getting verbally whipped, I couldn't get mad.

I don't think I remember a single case where someone I "whipped" (intentionally or not) was the one getting offended. It is, in fact, always a third party that gets offended on their behalf, wagging their finger at me about how unprofessional I am.

Perhaps I sometimes deserve that remark. I do get heated from time to time, I'll admit it. I'm a professional game developer, however, not a professional public relations expert or customer service provider. If I had to be either of those things I wouldn't come here, period -- as the vast majority of Bioware employees don't. They probably think those of us who do are crazy, and sometimes I don't blame them.

Perhaps my comments do more harm than good, however -- not unlike the WoW employee mentioned earlier. Something to think about.

[Rogue Roxy]

What a farce. How could you NOT judge that site by that article? It wasn't professional at all, and very inaccurate in its content.

~ Roxy

Modifié par Roxy Ferret, 11 février 2010 - 08:33 .

[RangerSG]

I for one would find it a shame if the Developers, including David, posted here less frequently. Having lore questions answered, having insight into what went on in their heads when they made decisions, and other insights we've gained would be awesome even if you didn't like the occasional snark. But personally I find it amusing. I haven't been to greywardens.com. But if that's the typical tone of articles there, I'd have to wonder how in the world they seek to represent the fan base of the game. That was just dumb.

[Deviija]

I'm certainly not against Mr. Gaider. Thus, it cannot be the whole community vs. him. ;P I enjoy reading his posts, particularly when he snarks out random internet irritants. And even if there are very rare moments I disagree with his opinions, I still respect him greatly and for the world of DAO that he gave to us.

[Ponce de Leon]

I have nothing against Mr. Gaider. I have to thank him for being a great writer, in fact. Well, perhaps there is something... I sent him a friend request and he refused it!