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[FlyinElk212]

How in the WORLD is Bioware going to have every squadmember from ME1 & 2 return as squadmates?

So the game will start with your 11 previously saved squadmates from ME2 already on your team? Some of the intrigue in RPGs comes from starting off with a smaller motley crew, then slowly building your numbers to a sizeable force. I don't know about you guys, but starting the game with your strongest crew potential seems...boring. It kills the feeling of progression and growth.

So will the game just start with the crew inexplicably splitting up just before the big reaper invasion? Then will you have to trod through recruiting everyone again?

How will they diversify squadmates? If everyone returns, that's 14 members. You're going to create 14 different combat styles for the characters and still maintain a level of diversity and complexity?

I'm not saying your surviving squadmembers shouldn't return. I'm simply stating that I find it hard  to believe they all return as SQUADMATES. The Normandy can only carry so many people.

Maybe Tali'll lead the Quarian troops. Maybe Wrex/Grunt will lead the Krogan. Maybe Legion leads the Geth. With those character's potential to their respective races, I find it hard to believe that they'd stick it out with Shep's crew.

Like I said, sorry for being a Debby Downer/Buzz Killington/what have you, but I'm thinking in terms of practicality. In no way do I want new characters to suddenly pop up and help Shep save the day...but at the same time, I don't think everyone from the past can return to help out.

In terms of creating a different-feeling game with a sense of progression, I believe Bioware HAS to weed out some squadmates to NPC roles. From a videogame development perspective, with all the variables of the suicide mission, it just makes sense.

[FlyinElk212]

BTW, I would love for Bioware to prove me wrong, and have everyone return as squadmates. I just really don't see it happening.

[Crackseed]

I dunno, starting you off with most of your team/giving them to you in the early portions of the game mirrors what ME1 did and gives us time to focus on a big set of story-line missions

[MyKingdomCold]

I think Bioware kind of has a problem in some ways too.



They have to take into consideration games where Shepard and every squad member in ME2 die. So does that mean they would introduce new characters but these new characters wouldn't be used in a game where Shepard lives? Or would the new characters be there and replace squad members from ME1 and ME2?

[ussbones]

Some of the characters have easy write outs, either they are dying from a sickness (Thane) or only said they'd help you on this one mission (Zaheed, Samara) or are just to dangerous to keep on board (Jack).



For the others, however, (Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Mordin, Jacob, Grunt) some of them have pledged themselves to you for the rest of the game, in the case of Grunt, your his krantt, as well as his battlemaster. With Tali, she's now Tali'zorah vas Normandy and Miranda/Jacob both quit TIM's employ, so they are also stuck with you.



Garrus and Mordin, well Mordin is the scientist salarian, so he needs to be back and Garrus/Shepard have a bromance going on there, so he's stuck on the ship too. Also, your LI plays a BIG part in ME3, according to the devs.



So, your gurrenteed a few people to stay on (6 or 7) and you'll be able to get more squadmates in ME3. Hopefully, though they will stay true to their ME1/ME2 fans and not cater to newbies into the series, cause really, who the hell wouldn't buy ME1/ME2 and just run out and pick up ME3?

[Cutlass Jack]

Hey, I didn't expect them to dig a hole so large for themselves. But since they chose to do so, I'd like to believe they had a plan.



If the ME2 Squadmates are not potential Squadmates in ME3 (where logical), then your actions in ME2 had no purpose whatsoever. I would lose all personal investment in the game and would not purchase it.



Since they all could live, and they knew that when they made the game, I'd like to think they allowed for it.

[apotheosic]

................... did you really just say "Debbie Downer?"

[Zemore]

They could easily include ALL in the game and make you choose what ones you want to take from the previous games obviously adding in one or two new chars or relations to the ones that could possibly die during the transition (thane and mordin)

[RiouHotaru]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

I think Bioware kind of has a problem in some ways too.

They have to take into consideration games where Shepard and every squad member in ME2 die. So does that mean they would introduce new characters but these new characters wouldn't be used in a game where Shepard lives? Or would the new characters be there and replace squad members from ME1 and ME2?

Easily solved.  If Shepard dies in ME2, you cannot import that save into ME3.  End of your story.

[Phil725]

With Zaeed and the other DLC character we're currently at 12 squad mates. The only ones they need to make room for are Liara and Ashley/Kaiden. They aren't going to have two krogans on the team, so if Wrex comes along, it would be in place of Grunt. Seems simple enough to substitute the DLC characters for ME1 characters and you're done.



Maybe they end up getting rid of Samara or someone else to make some room, but given the large squad this time, I don't see any reason that they can't have just as big of one next time.



As far as starting the game with a full team, that does seem to be a different way to go about things, but is that really such a bad thing? What's the difference between starting with 2 cookie cutter humans and recruiting 10 people over 75% of the game and starting with a full team and recruiting 10 different races to your cause of fighting the reapers over 75% of the game?

[PiercedMonk]

MyKingdomCold wrote...
They have to take into consideration games where Shepard and every squad member in ME2 die. So does that mean they would introduce new characters but these new characters wouldn't be used in a game where Shepard lives? Or would the new characters be there and replace squad members from ME1 and ME2?

It's been stated that if Shepard dies, there's no transfer. You'd have to have a saved game where Shepard lived, or start 'ME 3' with a "new" Shepard and the default choices made.

[GarethLorn]

Wouldn't it be great if Dusty or someone just came around and told us, in a single sentence, not to worry because they knew what they were doing? It would save a loooot of bandwidth, and make everyone sleep better.

*cough, ahem, wink, cough*

[Archereon]

OP: Plain and simple, they won't.

[Hepzi3]

Yeah, thats why I dont think they all will come back.



I want Mordin back, but Salarians only live to 40 and someone said that he is 50.

Thane is dead. Kepral's syndrome has no cure. Hanar Healers are the very best in the galaxy, and if they cant figure it out, no one can.

I want Garrus to become a Spectre. I know he wont, because he is totally Anti Council now, But that would give Grunt or Wrex room.

I want Grunt back, But I expect him to become the Leader of the new Krogan Army that is to be made once Mordin and his various Assistants and other galactic scientists cure the Genophage.

I want Legion back,But I think he will probably end up leading a Geth Army or fighting the Quarians.

If The Geth and Quarians go to war, There is no way for both Tali and Legion to come back.

I want Jacob back, But I expect he was the Cerberus traitor. Its just how he questions almost every one of youre squadmate decisions. So many things point to it IMO.

I want Miranda back, and I expect she will come back, being a Love Interest.



I expect the following to come back and be squadmates:

Ashley Williams/Kaidan Alenko

Miranda Lawson

Garrus Vakarian

Liara T'Soni



Beyond that, the list is debatable, and very heavily so.

[Zemore]

GarethLorn wrote...

Wouldn't it be great if Dusty or someone just came around and told us, in a single sentence, not to worry because they knew what they were doing? It would save a loooot of bandwidth, and make everyone sleep better.

*cough, ahem, wink, cough*

wheres the fun in that? if they told us everything we wanted to know we wouldent have some of the rediculous arguments you see on this forum from day to day

Hepzi3 wrote...

Yeah, thats why I dont think they all will come back.

I want Mordin back, but Salarians only live to 40 and someone said that he is 50.
Thane
is dead. Kepral's syndrome has no cure. Hanar Healers are the very best
in the galaxy, and if they cant figure it out, no one can.
I want
Garrus to become a Spectre. I know he wont, because he is totally Anti
Council now, But that would give Grunt or Wrex room.
I want Grunt
back, But I expect him to become the Leader of the new Krogan Army that
is to be made once Mordin and his various Assistants and other galactic
scientists cure the Genophage.
I want Legion back,But I think he will probably end up leading a Geth Army or fighting the Quarians.
If The Geth and Quarians go to war, There is no way for both Tali and Legion to come back.
I
want Jacob back, But I expect he was the Cerberus traitor. Its just how
he questions almost every one of youre squadmate decisions. So many
things point to it IMO.
I want Miranda back, and I expect she will come back, being a Love Interest.

I expect the following to come back and be squadmates:
Ashley Williams/Kaidan Alenko
Miranda Lawson
Garrus Vakarian
Liara T'Soni

Beyond that, the list is debatable, and very heavily so.

i agree with all of them and your various opinions but heres a lil cog to throw in You can get Tali exiled from the flotila she would have nowhere else to go ... this just compounds for me that she hasta be a squad mate in the next one ... its a personal favorite of course for me *looks at sig* but still its the only plausible reason why they would allow you to get her exiled.

other than that i whole heartedly agree

Modifié par Zemore, 11 février 2010 - 06:27 .

[Ghrelt]

They're afraid of us. For good reason IMO. Plus the devs need to be making ME3, not lurking here.

[nitefyre410]

And how says they are going to make you ME 1 squadmates, Squadmates again... Just a thought he for the OP... MAYBE the destruction of the original Normandy. kill Shepherd. scattering the team was to make room for YOUR team in ME 3 which ME 2 was about building.



I doubt Ashley or Kaiden are going to leave the Alliance and join a Mercenary Crew and Wrex is the leader of the Krogans he has enough on his table as is and Liara far more useful getting Intel on Illum than fighting on the front lines.

[Volourn]

I hope they bring as amny of the npcs back as psosible. Since you have the majority with you, they casn concentrate on companion quests (some of them still have some potentiallly nice character quests), side quests, and setting up the reaper invasion since they don't ahve to focus heavily on recruitment you could do other stuff to heighten drama.



Some examples is Miranda/Jacob's past. Mordin and the genophage.Legion/Tali annd the geth. Potential quarrels amongst various lover inetrests, and triangles.



Remember, the player doesn't know when the reapers will get her. Early part of the game main quest could be focused on things like getting the crew back together since it's not beyond the realm of possibility that a a few eyars go by and teammates go their seperate ways, dealing with te council once and for all, genopage, rachni, cerberus, Tali and the Shadow Broker (he likely should play a big part in ME3 - unless they are saving him for future games).



I can see them adding 3-6 new characters. On top of this some npcs are proabbly done with their personal drama (that DLC character Zas one example) so they wouldn't need any side quests devoted to them andn just ahve comments for various parts odf the game.



Thaty said, yeah, this will require BIo to put a lot of work into parts of the game that people may not see due to what occured in ME1 + ME2; but they that's what BIO set up so the expecations are there. Role-playing games are about C&C, afterall. So if you chose to kill Wrex in ME1, well tough luck. If your poor decision making in ME2 led to half the crew dying well tough luck, You miss some content on your playthrough.

[FlyinElk212]

apotheosic wrote...

................... did you really just say "Debbie Downer?"

Somebody has to put you whippersnappers in your place.

GarethLorn wrote...

Wouldn't it be great if Dusty or someone just came around and told us,
in a single sentence, not to worry because they knew what they were
doing? It would save a loooot of bandwidth, and make everyone sleep
better.

*cough, ahem, wink, cough*

If only, my friend. I'm pretty sure Bioware likes to see us fans squirm. Freaking, sadistic little...

@Phil725- I guess they COULD create a game in which you start off with a sizeable core of your team...once again though, it ruins the feeling of progression of power, something that's huge in RPGs. And they've already taken away so many RPG elements...

[MisterShine]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

apotheosic wrote...

................... did you really just say "Debbie Downer?"

Somebody has to put you whippersnappers in your place.

Quoting for Double-Awesome.

edit: I thought I was the only person who still said whippersnapper.

GarethLorn wrote...

Wouldn't it be great if Dusty or someone just came around and told us,
in a single sentence, not to worry because they knew what they were
doing? It would save a loooot of bandwidth, and make everyone sleep
better.

*cough, ahem, wink, cough*

Except we already know they know what they're doing. If you've played ME and ME2, and you should have the faith by now.

Also, a dev saying this would NOT make people worry or talk about it less, people will complain and speculate about anything, regardless of well known facts (like people who wonder who their main character will be if Shepard dies at the end).

It's like we're in a stable here, bunch of nay-sayers.

Modifié par MisterShine, 11 février 2010 - 06:33 .

[We Tigers]

There are a ton of variables, yes.  I think the only thing we should count on is the involvement of love interests (possibly in as peripheral a fashion as in ME2) and the inclusion of Liara as a squadmate, as she's the only one who is definitely alive in every player's game.  I would also expect Wrex to still be in place on Tuchanka if he lived, and Ashley/Kaidan to either return as a full squadmate or have another small role.  Outside of the love interests remaining involved if they survived, the ME2 squadmates seem like they could be totally up in the air.

[We Tigers]

Another thought: I actually think it would be pretty cool if the devs figured out a way to start you with a significant portion of your squad.  Picking folks up is great, but it'd be pretty impressive if they could buck the typical build-your-party RPG trend and start you out with a core team from the outset.  They did it pretty well in ME1, as you had everyone but Liara before leaving the Citadel. 

I'm more interested in how the level progressions will work.  Maybe the Normandy SR-2 will get blown up by the Blollectors, and Shep will get rebuilt by the Blazarus Project!

[FlyinElk212]

@ nitefyre410-- Good point. I haven't seen any proof stating that ME1 characters will return as squadmates.



But my point still remains valid. Even if they choose to keep the same 11 (12?) members from ME2, how are they going to implement that into their game? I firmly believe that it is a mistake to have your entire team right from the get-go...unless they can implement another feeling of power-progression in the game.



@ We Tigers-- XDXD Blazarus Project. I like it!! Let's make Shepard the "Kenny" of the Mass Effect series.

[Few87]

Ive not heard Debby Downer before, thats good! Im going to use it!