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LostScout wrote...

I think you will get 1 or 2 team-mates who will carry over from ME1 and ME2, the remaining ones who survived will have brief cameo appearances that will explain why they are too busy with their own problems to help you save the galaxy. And most of ME3 will be about building a new team. Rinse, lather, repeat. It worked twice, it'll work again.


Sorry for posting so much, but I'm on a brain binge. I actually don't think I would mind this if they make the "new squadmembers" NPC's from previous games.

How sick would it be to recruit Kirrahe, or Aria/Aleena, or (my personal pick) that volus who was high on biotic drugs?

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Ive not heard Debby Downer before, thats good! Im going to use it!


:) Changin' the world, one catchphrase at a time!

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They might just be on your ship or in your HQ as advisors, I wouldn't mind that. Personally I want fewer in your squad, but more developed instead. With lots of communication and personality.

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i actually could see samara coming back, if you talk to her a few times she at one points pledges to come and help if you ever need it (assuming you both survive the collectors.)

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If the ME2 Squadmates are not potential Squadmates in ME3 (where logical), then your actions in ME2 had no purpose whatsoever. I would lose all personal investment in the game and would not purchase it.


Really? Then why do you play anything?
Most settings has one game, so your action won't be carried over. Therefore no point of playing it, it has no purpose.

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I assume you will have a representative from every major allied group/race.

For example:
Alliance: Ashly/Kaiden
Salarians: Mordin
Turians: Garrus
Asari: Liara
Cerberus: Miranda and/ or Jacob
Krogan: Grunt
Quarian: Tali
Geth: Legion
And hopefully Samara and Jack will stick around. Samara said that she would stick around for until your mission was over and the reapers are still around. Jack doesn't really have anything better to do.

I expect two or three new members as well. Maybe(hopefully) Aria will join as a representative from Omega, and maybe you will get a fellow Spectre as a rep from the council.  Here's hoping it's Blasto.

Modifié par Dudalizer, 11 février 2010 - 07:00 .


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Wintermist wrote...

They might just be on your ship or in your HQ as advisors, I wouldn't mind that. Personally I want fewer in your squad, but more developed instead. With lots of communication and personality.


I wouldn't either, Wintermist. And AMEN to fewer squad, more development! If anything, at least have in-team chats between characters while exploring ala Dragon Age!!!

@ Quietness--I'm with you in this minority. I think it'd make sense for her to come back. Not sure how Bioware would handle it w/ Liara and their whole 1 CHARACTER PER RACE bullcrap (maybe a choice b/w the two? Does that even make sense?)

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 11 février 2010 - 07:02 .


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 I believe ME2 was just a bridge between ME1 and ME3 so i feel that they should only bring in new squadmates to replace ones that die,
  • Samara can go i believe there was no to very little character in there compared to other squad mates since she only agreed to help you for that one mission,
  • Mordin I would also expect not to die but stay on the Normandy since he is getting old and would be most helpful staying in the lab of the Normandy
  • Thane should be a Squadmember regardless of his condition but i think it should take more of a role in a the storyline or individual storylines in ME3
  • I also believe you LI would not be a squad member and merely someone on the sidelines or who stays on the Normandy (This is an addition i would really like) and the LI from ME1 you did not choose should be apart of quest on your journey as a major character since Liara would fit well for this role.

Modifié par charliekrad, 11 février 2010 - 07:10 .


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Well they aren't going to make you go out and recruit an entirely new squad again. That would just be lame and everyone and BioWare knows it.

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Dudalizer wrote...

I assume you will have a representative from every major allied group/race.

For example:
Alliance: Ashly/Kaiden
Salarians: Mordin
Turians: Garrus
Asari: Liara
Cerberus: Miranda and/ or Jacob
Krogan: Grunt
Quarian: Tali
Geth: Legion
And hopefully Samara and Jack will stick around. Samara said that she would stick around for until your mission was over and the reapers are still around. Jack doesn't really have anything better to do.

I expect two or three new members as well. Maybe(hopefully) Aria will join as a representative from Omega, and maybe you will get a fellow Spectre as a rep from the council.  Here's hoping it's Blasto.


I've been thinking that Bioware will go on this route for a while now. If they didn't survive, then your penalty is you may not get their help for the incoming Reaper war. If you ask me, Garrus wouldn't be a Turian rep though, because he isn't closely related to his race as the other characters are--he's mostly related to C-Sec and Shepard.

With this theory of "characters that speak mostly of their race will lead them in the Reaper war", I'd surmise that Garrus, Jack, Samara, Thane (if he's still alive...), one of Jacob/Miranda, and one of Grunt/Wrex returns, with NPCs from previous games like Kirrahe or Aria filling in the last spots.

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Well, assuming a Paragon playthrough where everybody has survived (I'm not sure if the Renegade version would be much different, I haven't done it yet):



Zaeed: You just told Cerberus to go screw themselves. Zaeed was on their payroll. He has no reason to stick around.



Samara: Has promised to come back to help you if you need it. I can't see her being a party member, though. Perhaps she rallies the Justicars, or else she helps in a different way (much like Wrex "helps you" on Tuchanka).



Mordin: Is proud to be part of Shepard's team. I can see him staying aboard the Normandy as a doctor but not a squadmate. There's not really much left to learn about the guy, so he doesn't need extensive dialog or anything. Also, if Chakwas died, somebody has to replace her.



Thane: I can see a part in the game where you to have to choose between letting Thane die and doing something that will hurt the Reapers, or going off to find a cure for him. This doesn't mean he will be a squadmate, though. Possibly as an agent in the field, or he's off bonding with his son. Or else, he just died between games.



Jacob: He's done with Cerberus, he's done with the Alliance. The Normandy is his home, and he still has to spill some drinks on the Citadel. He's not going anywhere.



Miranda: See the above, minus the bit about spilling drinks on the Citadel. She's in for the ride too.



Grunt/Wrex: Grunt has no reason to go anywhere either. Unless you started with a default Shep and screwed up or played the worst Renegade in the history of Renegades, the odds of both him and Wrex being dead are astronomical. We're going to have a Krogan party member no matter what, and I'd be extremely surprised if it was someone new. I can see Wrex sitting back to let Grunt take the lead, since many people disagree with Wrex himself (not so much his policies, just him) and running off to join Shepard on a spelunking trip through space. But like I said, one of them is leading the krogan and one of them is on the Normandy.



Jack: She had a lot of character development and has room for a lot more. Add this to the fact that she really has nothing better to do, and unless she's your LI there's almost no way for her to impact the plot significantly anyway (and if she is your LI, then she's guaranteed to be alive), and she's a given to come back, I think.



Legion: Shepard's tie to the geth. Unlikely that he and Tali will be a squadmate. Allows for extremely deep, emotionally engaging decision: does Shepard even see the geth as alive, or are they just worthless machines? And if they are alive, does he side with them, since they have the moral highground, or the petulant quarians? And if he does side with the quarians, is he siding with them because he believes it's the right thing to do... or because he cares about Tali? I can see a lot of awesomeness happening with a conflict like that. I think it's feasible, and the Legion/Tali fight in ME2 foreshadows it.



Garrus: We love him. They love him. He's Shepard's right-hand man. He'll be back.



Tali: We love her. They love her. She's a potential love-interest. She's Shepard's tie to the qurians. A storm is brewing. BioWare would probably have to work harder to make the game without her than with her.



Ashley/Kaiden: One of them is coming back. That's confirmed in everything but straight-up verbal confirmation.



Liara: They have no reason to not bring her back. I mean, she's alive no matter what.



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That puts us with Garrus, Tali/Legion, Grunt/Wrex, Ashey/Kaiden, Liara, Miranda, Jacob and Jack as likely squadmates. That's eight. I also seem to remember someone somewhere saying that BioWare was working on new characters already, so that could put us back up to the ten that ME2 had. It also leaves other characters, with better chances of dying (compare the amount of people that lost Mordin to the amount of people that lost Grunt), a window to come back into the game and be there for the ride, just not with a prominent role.

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They could do what they did with Wrex in ME2, and make a "generic" version of the squadmate to fill in for people who died in previous games.

They kinda have to make squaddies of some fan favorites, like Garrus and Tali, or they will be in hot water. I can only imagine the forum explosion if Tali was excluded from the squad in ME3.

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epoch_ wrote...

Well they aren't going to make you go out and recruit an entirely new squad again. That would just be lame and everyone and BioWare knows it.


I'm not sure why more people don't see that this is exactly right
and moreover, why would BioWare want to make the same game twice

Modifié par cronshaw8, 11 février 2010 - 08:33 .


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cronshaw8 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Well they aren't going to make you go out and recruit an entirely new squad again. That would just be lame and everyone and BioWare knows it.


I'm not sure why more people don't see that this is exactly right
and moreover, why would BioWare want to make the same game twice



They could have another four hour long cut scene where the last remaining collector appears out of nowhere and rips Shepard's brain out. Then have it start over with Shepard's brain in a hermetically sealed mayonnaise jar on a shelf in the broom closet at Funk and Wagnalls. Then you could choose what species to make Shepard!

I'M A GENIUS!

Modifié par Wild Still, 11 février 2010 - 08:39 .


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Wild Still wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Well they aren't going to make you go out and recruit an entirely new squad again. That would just be lame and everyone and BioWare knows it.


I'm not sure why more people don't see that this is exactly right
and moreover, why would BioWare want to make the same game twice



They could have another four hour long cut scene where the last remaining collector appears out of nowhere and rips Shepard's brain out. Then have it start over with Shepard's brain in a hermetically sealed mayonnaise jar on a shelf in the broom closet at Funk and Wagnalls. Then you could chose what species to make Shepard!

I'M A GENIUS!


nice. That will satisfy all the "why do i have to play shepard?" people

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Cutlass Jack wrote...


If the ME2 Squadmates are not potential Squadmates in ME3 (where logical), then your actions in ME2 had no purpose whatsoever. I would lose all personal investment in the game and would not purchase it.


Really? Then why do you play anything?
Most settings has one game, so your action won't be carried over. Therefore no point of playing it, it has no purpose.


You're kidding right? What makes Bioware games so loved is that you shape the game based on how you play them, not be forced down a predetermined path. Because of this you invest much deeper in the game because its your game. Not someone elses.

The entire theme of ME2 is about recruiting a team and becoming invested in them. Without spoilers, the only way to get everyone through alive is to know them well enough to make good decsions. If these characters do not continue into ME3 what was the point of investing? Getting them out alive?

So if they throw them away I see no reason to care about ME3 really. It will no longer be my Shepard's story. It will be theirs. It wouldn't be an RPG to me. Just some dime a dozen action game.

I give Bioware alot more credit than this. But I guess we'll see, right? Image IPB

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 11 février 2010 - 08:55 .


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Because of the choices BioWare has let us make, it could be difficult to program a game where you could have anywhere between 4 surviving squad members from both games, and 14 (plus any extra DLC characters). That being said, I imagine Shep will have plenty of his/her crew back from ME2, and maybe 1 or 2 from ME1. There are some obvious characters they can cut entirely (Zaeed, any new DLC character), some they can re-assign (Mordin could be an advisor on the Normandy), and some where it wouldn't be surprising if they were an NPC somewhere, but not a squadmate (Wrex, Thane due to his illness, Samara/Morinth, even Jack).

I could see a couple that would be guaranteed if they survived (Garrus, Jacob, Liara) The rest I could see come down to choices whether they end up in your squad. Maybe you are forced to choose between the Cerberus Crew or the Alliance Crew (Miranda V. Ash/Kaiden, since Jacob might stay either way........and yes I am aware Miranda basically quit Cerberus), the Geth or the Quarians (Legion V Tali) or even a choice between Wrex and Grunt.

This is all in addition to the standard 3-5 new characters we probably can expect.

Modifié par JLocke37, 11 février 2010 - 09:40 .


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Who says they are bringing any of them back as squadmates?



*ducks back into cover*

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Ack....doublepost!

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ussbones wrote...

Some of the characters have easy write outs, either they are dying from a sickness (Thane) or only said they'd help you on this one mission (Zaheed, Samara) or are just to dangerous to keep on board (Jack).

For the others, however, (Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Mordin, Jacob, Grunt) some of them have pledged themselves to you for the rest of the game, in the case of Grunt, your his krantt, as well as his battlemaster. With Tali, she's now Tali'zorah vas Normandy and Miranda/Jacob both quit TIM's employ, so they are also stuck with you.

Garrus and Mordin, well Mordin is the scientist salarian, so he needs to be back and Garrus/Shepard have a bromance going on there, so he's stuck on the ship too. Also, your LI plays a BIG part in ME3, according to the devs.

So, your gurrenteed a few people to stay on (6 or 7) and you'll be able to get more squadmates in ME3. Hopefully, though they will stay true to their ME1/ME2 fans and not cater to newbies into the series, cause really, who the hell wouldn't buy ME1/ME2 and just run out and pick up ME3?

This

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I think Bioware kind of has a problem in some ways too.

They have to take into consideration games where Shepard and every squad member in ME2 die. So does that mean they would introduce new characters but these new characters wouldn't be used in a game where Shepard lives? Or would the new characters be there and replace squad members from ME1 and ME2?


they don't have to worry about EVERYONE dieing, if at least 2 people don't survive, Shep dies and that save can't be imported. 

I theorise that you will have at minimum 4 familiar squad members. Kaiden/Ashley, Liara, two random ME2 characters.

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I just hope at the end of the series you and TIM can take over the galaxy and form the Imperium of Man, then go kick some chaos ass.

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I think it is less likely the people from ME1 will be back than the people from ME2.

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I was worried about this too, at first. But then I figured, if BioWare didn't think they could handle it gracefully in ME3, then they wouldn't have made the first two games the way they did.

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Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

Who says they are bringing any of them back as squadmates?

*ducks back into cover*


I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.

....................................................................POW!

Seriously though, could you imagine? It would definitely be the easiest production path Bioware could take.........

.........o_O

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doubtful because then they would have to go through the entire process of building back stories, creating looks, finding voice work and getting us to actually care about the new people. they have already done alot of work on the existing characters