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[Mass Fraud]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

When does Leliana belittle elves?

What? You mean you missed the part where we learned the Chantry sacrifices elf babies and Leliana loves to do so?

So did I.

But rest assured, he found it.

You lie!

[Ahisgewaya]

Herr Uhl wrote...

When does Leliana belittle elves?

Is it the slave one? What is better, living in moderate comfort while being a slave or absolute poverty when being free?

If your answer is anything other than "absolute poverty while being free" then you have some serious issues.
What an idiotic question.

[Ahisgewaya]

And if you don't think that elven babies were killed (at the very least by a stray fireball spell)
when the Dales were invaded by the Chantry and the elven people enslaved then you are incredibly naive. And it makes perfect sense then why you like Leliana so much.

Modifié par Ahisgewaya, 13 février 2010 - 03:14 .

[Maria Caliban]

Ahisgewaya wrote...

And if you don't think that elven babies were killed when the Dales were invaded by the Chantry and the elven people enslaved then you are incredibly naive. And it makes perfect sense then why you like Leliana so much.

Are you role-playing?

A lot of times people say crazy things and it turns out they're role-playing. So you are talking as yourself, the poster, or is this your elven character posting on the BioWare boards?

I ask because in the other thread, you accused someone of being racist against elves.

[Ahisgewaya]

No, I'm not role playing. THis entire issue speaks of things that have happened IN THE REAL WORLD. Sad, horrible things that have happened. And if you don't see the correlation, well, then I guess you live in a bubble, and there's nothing I can do about that.

And I never said the other person was racist against elves, just that if she thaought that particular thing that Lelian said was just a tad racist, then she should examine her own beleifs on what is and is not a racist thing to say since what Leliana said was VERY RACIST.

Modifié par Ahisgewaya, 13 février 2010 - 03:29 .

[Herr Uhl]

Ahisgewaya wrote...
If your answer is anything other than "absolute poverty while being free" then you have some serious issues.
What an idiotic question.

You realize that with that absolute poverty comes almost all the downsides of slavery, while the ones in power just replace you with the 348:th elf in line searching for a job. Not all slavery involves mutilating, near starvation and sadism.

When slavery was abolished (see medieval Europe, of which Thedas is a psuedo-setting), the conditions for the poor got worse, and they still worked like slaves. Thedas is in that transition, so it is a valid opinion. How many people living on the verge of starvation wouldn't choose to be a slave and survive?

[Ahisgewaya]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ahisgewaya wrote...
If your answer is anything other than "absolute poverty while being free" then you have some serious issues.
What an idiotic question.

You realize that with that absolute poverty comes almost all the downsides of slavery, while the ones in power just replace you with the 348:th elf in line searching for a job. Not all slavery involves mutilating, near starvation and sadism.

When slavery was abolished (see medieval Europe, of which Thedas is a psuedo-setting), the conditions for the poor got worse, and they still worked like slaves. Thedas is in that transition, so it is a valid opinion. How many people living on the verge of starvation wouldn't choose to be a slave and survive?

Hence we have the city elves and the dalish.
I prefer the Dalish.

[Maria Caliban]

Ahisgewaya wrote...

No, I'm not role playing. THis entire issue speaks of things that have happened IN THE REAL WORLD. Sad, horrible things that have happened. And if you don't see the correlation, well, then I guess you live in a bubble, and there's nothing I can do about that.

While that’s terribly indignant of you, the problem is that you’re not using any logic to support your case. You’d said Leliana would want to kill elven babies, and then backed it up with a train of thought so tenuous a stiff wind would blow it down. You then suggested that my starting this thread has some connection to liking Leliana’s character.

You’re calling people ‘racist’ and suggesting they ‘live in a bubble’ because they like a character who suggests elves are treated well in Orlais and because she says she believes in the Maker.

Personally, I think Leliana is racist. I also think Alistair, Wynne, Sten, and Oghran are probably rasict as well, but they never think about it or question it.

That Leliana being racist translates into her having no concern for elven lives is stretching it though.

[Herr Uhl]

Ahisgewaya wrote...
Hence we have the city elves and the dalish.
I prefer the Dalish.

Yes, but Leliana wouldn't meet said dalish, due to not being dalish. She would meet the ones in the cities, hence her opinion.

[Mass Fraud]

Back on topic: female elven warriors need my lovin. ;p

[AngryFrozenWater]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I hope BioWare keeps to its commitment of not having elven female romanceables in Awakenings. It was one of my favorite non-existent elements in Origins, and whenever I come across the lack of elven female love interests, a little rainbow springs up in my heart.

I have no idea what you are trying to achieve, Maria. Your threads are getting weirder by the day. What's up? Having a bad day?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 13 février 2010 - 03:47 .

[NeroSparda]

... Does that mean Leliana is racist to my Elf? Because I don't believe I heard her make a racist comment toward her. To me, Sten is unintentionally sexist. Oghren? Most likely not, as long as you give him alcohol/ale, you are his best friend. Wynne? Always killed her so can't say. Alistair, probably, though hard to imagine.

[Godak]

Eh, I'd call her "painfully ignorant" not "racist". Romance her as an elf.

[Maria Caliban]

Godak wrote...

Eh, I'd call her "painfully ignorant" not "racist". Romance her as an elf.

She’s never been in an alienage, so all she’d know were the few elves that managed to get jobs in the house of nobles. And yes, they might have been better off than the dirt-poor humans she interacted with.

However, Thedas is a world with a large amount of cultural prejudice against the elves. Realistically, all the companions would show some amount of racism, and even Zevran might find it hard to believe that an elf could handle the duty of leading a group against the Blight.

This is a fantasy game though, so race and class prejudices can’t be a major obstacle. Leliana suggesting that elves are like puppy dogs that humans take care of is as much racist as Sten’s ‘woman can’t be warriors’ is sexist.

[Mass Fraud]

Does Sten and Leliana offend you Maria?

[Ceridraen]

I'd be happy with no more psycho human women, personally. After running through on my elf mage girl, I did a run on a male human. The only woman I could possibly imagine him actually caring for was Shianni - sane, cute, & strong. Leliana loses for the hell of her voice & cute-girl comments. Morrigan gets humor bonuses but the psycho goth girl was too much. He's waiting for something better in the exp.

[Maria Caliban]

Mass Fraud wrote...

Does Sten and Leliana offend you Maria?

They're character that exist to show the various prejudices that exist in the world. Why would that offend me?

[Maria Caliban]

Missed this.

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I hope BioWare keeps to its commitment of not having elven female romanceables in Awakenings. It was one of my favorite non-existent elements in Origins, and whenever I come across the lack of elven female love interests, a little rainbow springs up in my heart.

I have no idea what you are trying to achieve, Maria.

Different things for different threads. In this one, I'm showing my support for BioWare to continue to not have elven romances.

Your threads are getting weirder by the day.

I wrote this yesterday. I'm not sure what other 'weird' thread you're refering to.

What's up? Having a bad day?

No.

Moreover, I'm not sure how my having a bad day would lead to me supporting BioWare's commitment to no female elven romances. I'd be far more likely to start a thread about how much I disliked Alistair or how I found the Deep Roads to be very long and rather unfun if I were in a poor mood.

Actually, I’d probably post on the ME 2 forums, as there are a number of things I disliked about that game.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Missed this.

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I hope BioWare keeps to its commitment of not having elven female romanceables in Awakenings. It was one of my favorite non-existent elements in Origins, and whenever I come across the lack of elven female love interests, a little rainbow springs up in my heart.

I have no idea what you are trying to achieve, Maria.

Different things for different threads. In this one, I'm showing my support for BioWare to continue to not have elven romances.

Your OP is just a hollow statement. You don't back it up by any reason. For all intents and purposes that post is a flame bait. There was a time when I enjoyed reading your threads and posts. But lately very little sense can be found in them.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 13 février 2010 - 05:50 .

[Angel of Nessus]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Missed this.

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I hope BioWare keeps to its commitment of not having elven female romanceables in Awakenings. It was one of my favorite non-existent elements in Origins, and whenever I come across the lack of elven female love interests, a little rainbow springs up in my heart.

I have no idea what you are trying to achieve, Maria.

Different things for different threads. In this one, I'm showing my support for BioWare to continue to not have elven romances.

Your OP is just a hollow statement. You don't back it up by any reason. For all intents and purposes that post is a flame bait. There was a time when I enjoyed reading your threads and posts. But lately very little sense can be found in them.

You've only JUST caught this fact?  Most of the other posts were made with this in mind.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Angel of Nessus wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Missed this.

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I hope BioWare keeps to its commitment of not having elven female romanceables in Awakenings. It was one of my favorite non-existent elements in Origins, and whenever I come across the lack of elven female love interests, a little rainbow springs up in my heart.

I have no idea what you are trying to achieve, Maria.

Different things for different threads. In this one, I'm showing my support for BioWare to continue to not have elven romances.

Your OP is just a hollow statement. You don't back it up by any reason. For all intents and purposes that post is a flame bait. There was a time when I enjoyed reading your threads and posts. But lately very little sense can be found in them.

You've only JUST caught this fact?  Most of the other posts were made with this in mind.

I know. I am slow. Sorry.

[NKKKK]

Yes please. I want my Dalish guy to leave Leliana and have a elf mate, the race needs to go on.



And no I'm not trolling, I'm being completely serious.

[Walina]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I hope BioWare keeps to its commitment of not having elven female romanceables in Awakenings. It was one of my favorite non-existent elements in Origins, and whenever I come across the lack of elven female love interests, a little rainbow springs up in my heart.

Too bad for you the new companion  : Velanna is an dalish elf > http://greywardens.c...na-revealed-2/ 

[Angel of Nessus]

Walina wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I hope BioWare keeps to its commitment of not having elven female romanceables in Awakenings. It was one of my favorite non-existent elements in Origins, and whenever I come across the lack of elven female love interests, a little rainbow springs up in my heart.

Too bad for you the new companion  : Velanna is an dalish elf > http://greywardens.c...na-revealed-2/ 

Just what we need- an elf chick with more power than she knows what to do with running around screaming about revenge.

BioWare, don't make her the romance.  PLEASE.  

[Maria Caliban]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Your OP is just a hollow statement. You don't back it up by any reason.

What reason do I need other than I like it?

Maria: I loved the hairstyles in Origins. Keep up the good work in Awakenings!
AFW: That's a hollow statement. Back it up with reasoning.

For all intents and purposes that post is a flame bait.

Yet the majority of posts in this thread are civil, fun, and polite. If only people made flame-bait threads like this in the ME forums.

There was a time when I enjoyed reading your threads and posts. But lately very little sense can be found in them.

I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy this thread, but it's not like I can sit down and figure out if you're going to like a thread or not before I post it.