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[Maria Caliban]

krylo wrote...

Here's a fun theory that's been bouncing about in my head that pertains to this:

When an archdemon is slain by a Warden it doesn't actually kill the old god.  This makes sense in that an old god should be far more powerful than a fade spirit, and when fade spirits hop into a body containing a soul it doesn't murder everyone involved--quite the opposite, actually.  Plus, an old god's soul should, ostensibly, be more powerful than any mortal soul.  Instead the immediate conflict between souls destroys the body, and the taint with it (which can only exist as a physical thing, as that darkspawn have no souls).  The old god is then thrown into the fade in a much diminished form.

There's a difference in Thedas between spirits and souls. Spirits are creatures of the Fade. They lack a creative spark and so can only mimic what they see in the dreams of mortals.

Souls are things that creatures *not* of the Fade have. The Old Gods are not of the Fade, they didn't come from there and they wouldn't rematerialize there if they died. They have souls, and are not spirits.

Two souls cannot inhabit the same body. A spirit and a soul can though. Presumably, two spirits can't inhabit the same body/vessel/area either.

[Thor Rand Al]

Maria Caliban wrote...

krylo wrote...

Here's a fun theory that's been bouncing about in my head that pertains to this:

When an archdemon is slain by a Warden it doesn't actually kill the old god.  This makes sense in that an old god should be far more powerful than a fade spirit, and when fade spirits hop into a body containing a soul it doesn't murder everyone involved--quite the opposite, actually.  Plus, an old god's soul should, ostensibly, be more powerful than any mortal soul.  Instead the immediate conflict between souls destroys the body, and the taint with it (which can only exist as a physical thing, as that darkspawn have no souls).  The old god is then thrown into the fade in a much diminished form.

There's a difference in Thedas between spirits and souls. Spirits are creatures of the Fade. They lack a creative spark and so can only mimic what they see in the dreams of mortals.

Souls are things that creatures *not* of the Fade have. The Old Gods are not of the Fade, they didn't come from there and they wouldn't rematerialize there if they died. They have souls, and are not spirits.

Two souls cannot inhabit the same body. A spirit and a soul can though. Presumably, two spirits can't inhabit the same body/vessel/area either.

Um according to the Chantry the Old God's are spirits from the Fade. 
"It is said that the spirits of the Fade were the Maker's first creations and were flawed and thus cast out from the Maker's grace.  These spirits were jealous of the living and whispered to them in their dreams, telling them that they were the true gods and that the living should bow down before them.  And the living did so, summoning these spirits through the Veil into our world and worshipping them as idols that walked among them.  These were the Old Gods, spirits powerful enough that it is said they took the form of dragons."

[AlanC9]

krylo wrote...
]Not if you murdered Flemeth.

Then it depends on Morrigan's motives and whether Morrigan is even capable of doing the same thing that Flemeth had wanted to do with the child (assuming that our assumptions on what Flemeth wanted to do are even correct.)

Well, that's true if Flemeth's original plan required her to do something more than what Morrigan was already doing. We don't really know that. Of course, it's difficult to sort out an abomination's motives in the first place. It's possible that Flemeth's plan wasn't all that rational. (One of the weird things about this whole business is that it's entirely unclear why Morrigan is so committed to the plan)

Your theory could very well be true, or partially true.

[Thalorin1919]

A bad thing? It has potential to be.



I'm not worried about Morrigan teaching the God kid bad things, so that he or she grows up to take over the world or something.



I'm more or less worried about the kid himself. When he learns that he is basically an old god, he is basically going to figure out he is very powerful. And if he decides to do something bad, Morrigan wont be able to do a thing about it.



But we all know one thing for sure. A person with the soul of an old god wont live and die in the world without going unnoticed. Everyone will hear about this being. From the Qunari in the North to the Chasind in the Wilds.

[krylo]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

krylo wrote...

Here's a fun theory that's been bouncing about in my head that pertains to this:

When an archdemon is slain by a Warden it doesn't actually kill the old god.  This makes sense in that an old god should be far more powerful than a fade spirit, and when fade spirits hop into a body containing a soul it doesn't murder everyone involved--quite the opposite, actually.  Plus, an old god's soul should, ostensibly, be more powerful than any mortal soul.  Instead the immediate conflict between souls destroys the body, and the taint with it (which can only exist as a physical thing, as that darkspawn have no souls).  The old god is then thrown into the fade in a much diminished form.

There's a difference in Thedas between spirits and souls. Spirits are creatures of the Fade. They lack a creative spark and so can only mimic what they see in the dreams of mortals.

Souls are things that creatures *not* of the Fade have. The Old Gods are not of the Fade, they didn't come from there and they wouldn't rematerialize there if they died. They have souls, and are not spirits.

Two souls cannot inhabit the same body. A spirit and a soul can though. Presumably, two spirits can't inhabit the same body/vessel/area either.

Um according to the Chantry the Old God's are spirits from the Fade. 
"It is said that the spirits of the Fade were the Maker's first creations and were flawed and thus cast out from the Maker's grace.  These spirits were jealous of the living and whispered to them in their dreams, telling them that they were the true gods and that the living should bow down before them.  And the living did so, summoning these spirits through the Veil into our world and worshipping them as idols that walked among them.  These were the Old Gods, spirits powerful enough that it is said they took the form of dragons."

I don't believe a THING the Chantry says, HOWEVER:

Every mage you talk to about the fade in the game will tell you that, "The fade is where your soul goes when it leaves your body, either through dreams or when you die."

So yeah, souls do go to the fade.

I'm also inclined to believe that the old gods were, at one point, fade spirits--as that most all beings of great power are tied to fade spirits in some way.

Modifié par krylo, 19 février 2010 - 04:52 .

[draxynnus]

Interesting idea, krylo. The idea of a connection between Flemeth and the Old Gods has been tossed around before, but I think you're the only one who's actually spelled out a possibility for what that connection might be. 'Twould explain why she has a dragon form when most shapeshifters don't, too.

TheLion36 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
This is basicly the issue with the Dark Ritual.
It's an evil thing by default, as far as I'm concerned, since it involves exposing a baby to unknown danger.

hmmm difficult... considering that there's also another benefit to the ritual besides it saving your life... If we assume the worst and Riordan, you and all the other grey wardens in Ferelden died during the fight with the archdemon and some low life soldier manages to get off a lucky shot and kills the archdemon... Without the ritual this would be useless, the archdemon would fall over and respawn immediately, the war is lost and thousands of Ferelden people die before aid arrives from the Grey Wardens of Orlais...
Now with the ritual that soldier gets off a lucky shot, kills the Archdemon and now the Archdemon doesn't rise again, those thousands of Fereldens live and the blight is "ended".

It remains the same ethical question, but now its not just 1 life that is saved by 1 baby, its thousands... which makes it way more complex.

I respect your opinion/view btw! 

That is a good point. Heck, the argument could also work in a much more optimistic situation, in which that "lucky shot" happens in the first hours of the battle, ending it and saving however many people before the Wardens even had a chance to face the Archdemon. Even if it turns out it has just bought a few years, that's a few years that could be used to rebuild the Grey Warden numbers in Ferelden.

Alanc9 wrote...

(One of the weird things about this whole business is that it's entirely unclear why Morrigan is so committed to the plan)

Possibly for exactly the reasons she gives - because the Old God is worth preserving. Morrigan may have only contempt for the helpless, but she has a soft spot for powerful beings that get stuck in a bad spot.

[Lotion Soronarr]

krylo wrote...
Your hypothetical is flawed.

It's more along the lines of this friend of yours offers to save your life, but she's going to need to use an egg sample from herself and a sperm sample from you to synthesize a tank bred fetus--that would not have existed otherwise--in order to perform the proper tests. 

And even that's not a fully correct allegory.

Remember, the ritual must be performed on a newly created child, which is why she needs to sleep with you the eve before.  When she performs the ritual and the old god is summoned to her the fertilized gamete would not have even had time to find a place on her inner uteral walls to find purchase.

Really I can't go any further with this line of thinking without turning this discussion into an abortion thread, which would be both silly and pointless.

But, suffice to say that I find your hypothetical jumps the gun a few times in your comparison to the dark ritual.

Disagree al lyou want. Morrigan herself mentions the child having a soul and that there will be merging with the archdemons soul.

So any "scientific" argument about that not being a full child, not truly alive, or anything like that are null and void.
Like it or not, you ARE playing with the soul of a child.

[Lotion Soronarr]

krylo wrote...
I don't believe a THING the Chantry says, HOWEVER:

Every mage you talk to about the fade in the game will tell you that, "The fade is where your soul goes when it leaves your body, either through dreams or when you die."

So yeah, souls do go to the fade.

Isn't the correct sentance PASS TROUGH The Fade?

[Herr Uhl]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

krylo wrote...
I don't believe a THING the Chantry says, HOWEVER:

Every mage you talk to about the fade in the game will tell you that, "The fade is where your soul goes when it leaves your body, either through dreams or when you die."

So yeah, souls do go to the fade.

Isn't the correct sentance PASS TROUGH The Fade?

To get to the Maker, yes.

[maxernst]

@Lotion Soronnar

That's probably the best rationale for it, I've seen...I had thought of it in terms of time to rebuild the Grey Wardens,  but always kind of felt it was more of a rationalization to justify a selfish choice.  Offering a chance for the Archdemon to be killed, even if all the Grey Wardens are killed is a much stronger argument when there are .  only two or three of them in the battle.  I was leaning toward the Dark Ritual anyway, but this makes my PC less guilty about it.

Modifié par maxernst, 19 février 2010 - 02:20 .

[errant_knight]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

krylo wrote...
Your hypothetical is flawed.

It's more along the lines of this friend of yours offers to save your life, but she's going to need to use an egg sample from herself and a sperm sample from you to synthesize a tank bred fetus--that would not have existed otherwise--in order to perform the proper tests. 

And even that's not a fully correct allegory.

Remember, the ritual must be performed on a newly created child, which is why she needs to sleep with you the eve before.  When she performs the ritual and the old god is summoned to her the fertilized gamete would not have even had time to find a place on her inner uteral walls to find purchase.

Really I can't go any further with this line of thinking without turning this discussion into an abortion thread, which would be both silly and pointless.

But, suffice to say that I find your hypothetical jumps the gun a few times in your comparison to the dark ritual.

Disagree al lyou want. Morrigan herself mentions the child having a soul and that there will be merging with the archdemons soul.

So any "scientific" argument about that not being a full child, not truly alive, or anything like that are null and void.
Like it or not, you ARE playing with the soul of a child.

Okay, point made, time to move on....

[AlanC9]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Disagree al lyou want. Morrigan herself mentions the child having a soul and that there will be merging with the archdemons soul.

So any "scientific" argument about that not being a full child, not truly alive, or anything like that are null and void.
Like it or not, you ARE playing with the soul of a child.

Unless Morrigan doesn't really understand what's going on, which is possible. It's not like folks in DA have a really good understanding of souls.

But given the overall tone of DA, it's wishful thinking to believe that there isn't a child's soul involved in the transaction.

[AlanC9]

draxynnus wrote...
Possibly for exactly the reasons she gives - because the Old God is worth preserving. Morrigan may have only contempt for the helpless, but she has a soft spot for powerful beings that get stuck in a bad spot.

You're probably right. Morrigan actually is pretty truthful overall. I've often found it funny that people call her "manipulative" on the forum; she doesn't understand people enough to manipulate them. If she really was manipulative, she wouldn't have told the truth about the ritual.

[draxynnus]

Morrigan freely admits to being manipulative in conversation (saying "I do it too" after saying Dog is being manipulative, and explaining how she engages in manipulation in one conversation about her past ("Men are always willing to believe two things about a woman...") In this case, it could just be that she feels like telling the truth (or enough of it to let down the Warden's guard) is a better way to get what she wants.

[errant_knight]

AlanC9 wrote...

draxynnus wrote...
Possibly for exactly the reasons she gives - because the Old God is worth preserving. Morrigan may have only contempt for the helpless, but she has a soft spot for powerful beings that get stuck in a bad spot.

You're probably right. Morrigan actually is pretty truthful overall. I've often found it funny that people call her "manipulative" on the forum; she doesn't understand people enough to manipulate them. If she really was manipulative, she wouldn't have told the truth about the ritual.

And yet, she's very surprised if the warden tells Alistair the truth about the ritual and comments 'That wouldn't have been my first choice.'

[Thor Rand Al]

draxynnus wrote...
Possibly for exactly the reasons she gives - because the Old God is worth preserving. Morrigan may have only contempt for the helpless, but she has a soft spot for powerful beings that get stuck in a bad spot.

Morrigan doesn't have a soft spot.  She does things if they benefit her, preserving an old god benifits her n Flemeth but for completely different reasons.

AlanC9 wrote...
You're probably right. Morrigan actually is pretty truthful overall. I've often found it funny that people call her "manipulative" on the forum; she doesn't understand people enough to manipulate them. If she really was manipulative, she wouldn't have told the truth about the ritual.

Um she really doesn't come right out n tell you the truth about the ritual, she says why it needs to be done (so she can capture the Old God) but she isn't telling you everything.  When you ask her why she wants it, what she wants with it, she skirts around that particular question so no Morrigan is not being honest about the ritual.

errant_knight wrote...
And yet, she's very surprised if the warden tells Alistair the truth about the ritual and comments 'That wouldn't have been my first choice.'

You're right about that, she almost sounded disappointed actually that you told him, but definitely shocked

[maxernst]

I am curious what story she would have rather you told him that would still get him into bed with her. That she can help him with his technique? That we need another royal bastard? It's rather an unusual request.

[Thor Rand Al]

maxernst wrote...

I am curious what story she would have rather you told him that would still get him into bed with her. That she can help him with his technique? That we need another royal bastard? It's rather an unusual request.

I think she was hoping/thinking you could be perssuasive enough to make him do it, I believe she does say that even.  She also regards Alistair as an idiot who follows along like a lil puppy when someone's showing him affection.  Which he's not but I think that's how she regards him.

[TheLion36]

Thor Rand Al wrote...
Morrigan doesn't have a soft spot.  She does things if they benefit her, preserving an old god benifits her n Flemeth but for completely different reasons.

hmmm I dissagree, she shows she has quite a soft spot at quite a number of occasions... When Flemeth tells her that its far more likely the darkspawn have taken over her hut than that its burned down when Morrigan returns you can see a change in response in Morrigan... Also when you tell her you loved your mother, she gets all weak and shows she really desired this from Flemeth as well... During the banther with dog however its most clear, first she pushes him away, but later she starts giving him snack, but tells him not to tell anyone to hide the fact that she's actually a big softie!

She also does things that don't benefit her, for example she wants to see Sten released and even suggests just letting him go if you have no use for him, there's no benefit in this for her or you if you just let him run away... Its the same with Jowan.

If she was truly as cold as people think she is, she would really be bad at being cold! She just tries very hard to be like her mother but she clearly isn't like her at all.

She also doesn't lie during the ritual conversation, she's just honest that she doesn't want to tell you everything... If this is lying then Alistair also lies because he didn't tell you on the first meeting that he was a royal-bastard! 

Thor Rand Al wrote...
You're right about that, she almost sounded disappointed actually that you told him, but definitely shocked

Considering he's a templar and doesn't like anything to do with unsanctioned magic, wouldn't you be suprised if you tried convincing him to take part of in an ancient (possibly blood magic) ritual?

Modifié par TheLion36, 20 février 2010 - 08:36 .

[Thor Rand Al]

TheLion36 wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...
Morrigan doesn't have a soft spot.  She does things if they benefit her, preserving an old god benifits her n Flemeth but for completely different reasons.

hmmm I dissagree, she shows she has quite a soft spot at quite a number of occasions... When Flemeth tells her that its far more likely the darkspawn have taken over her hut than that its burned down when Morrigan returns you can see a change in response in Morrigan... Also when you tell her you loved your mother, she gets all weak and shows she really desired this from Flemeth as well... During the banther with dog however its most clear, first she pushes him away, but later she starts giving him snack, but tells him not to tell anyone to hide the fact that she's actually a big softie!

I wonder how much of that was just for show though.  Ok I submit to a certain part, until she finds out the information from the grimoire then her feelings for Flemeth do change.
As far as dog that is what Morrigan seems to change into the 1 time we see her change, is a dog.

TheLion36 wrote...
She also does things that don't benefit her, for example she wants to see Sten released and even suggests just letting him go if you have no use for him, there's no benefit in this for her or you if you just let him run away... Its the same with Jowan.

As far as Sten goes well I kind of think she has a thing for him lol.  As far as Jowan though I see that as he's not really a mage of the tower mage but like her, an apostate, wanted by the templars

TheLion36 wrote...
If she was truly as cold as people think she is, she would really be bad at being cold! She just tries very hard to be like her mother but she clearly isn't like her at all.

She also doesn't lie during the ritual conversation, she's just honest that she doesn't want to tell you everything... If this is lying then Alistair also lies because he didn't tell you on the first meeting that he was a royal-bastard! 

Ok you have me there about Alistair but they are in all actualities two different things.  Yes Alistair not telling you about him being royalty should have been mentioned when your having the conversation with him about why he was raised in the Chantry in camp (that is a lie or as some people say omitting the full truth.)
Morrigan's actuality goes way deeper then that.  She's asking you to help her concieve a god-child (which btw we don't know if it is evil or not).  That's just a tad more important then Alistair being Meric's son.  You could be putting Ferelden at risk with said child.

Thor Rand Al wrote...
You're right about that, she almost sounded disappointed actually that you told him, but definitely shocked

TheLion36 wrote...
Considering he's a templar and doesn't like anything to do with unsanctioned magic, wouldn't you be suprised if you tried convincing him to take part of in an ancient (possibly blood magic) ritual?

No all I was saying was that Morrigan was suprised that I had told Alistair the truth about the ritual instead of lying to him about it.


Edit: Honestly I'm not sure what to make of Morrigan, IRL I don't think I could be friends with her, I wouldn't be able to trust her n that's my problem.  It's trust! I can't trust her n everytime she talks to me I'm wondering how much of it's to please the Warden so in the end she can get what she wants or if it's sincere n real.

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 20 février 2010 - 09:03 .

[CalJones]

I'm generally of the opinion that allowing the ritual is a huge risk, and also a cop-out - it goes against what being a warden is about. However, if you convince Loghain to do the deed, he makes Morrigan assure him that the child would not be raised in Fereldan nor return there, so at least your own nation would seem to be safe. (I'm not sure what Alistair says - the only game where I've had him until the end, I played a male character and knocked up Morrigan myself). Still, it is a gamble.

[TheLion36]

Thor Rand Al wrote...
I wonder how much of that was just for show though.  Ok I submit to a certain part, until she finds out the information from the grimoire then her feelings for Flemeth do change.
As far as dog that is what Morrigan seems to change into the 1 time we see her change, is a dog.

There are more examples, especially when you romance her... One other example would be when you give her the mirror as well.
One of the fun things about Morrigan is that everyone gets the same dialogs etc with her but if you let 10 people play the game and ask them about their opinion on her you'll get 10 different opinions hehe!  The Bioware writers did an amazing job on her! 

Thor Rand Al wrote...
As far as Sten goes well I kind of think she has a thing for him lol.  As far as Jowan though I see that as he's not really a mage of the tower mage but like her, an apostate, wanted by the templars

hehe not sure she has a thing for Sten *gets all jealous*...
But whatever her reasons for letting Jowan out, its not a selfish act, she doesn't gain anything from it.

Thor Rand Al wrote...
Ok you have me there about Alistair but they are in all actualities two different things. You could be putting Ferelden at risk with said child.

True, all I wanted to illustate with the Alistair example however is that in DA everyone appears to be omitting information not just Morrigan.

On the flipside, if Morrigan would tell you everything there is to know about the Old God child then we wouldn't have much to find out in the future anymore of course!  Part of the fun is not knowing what we caused hehe! 
But you are right of course, I do wonder sometimes if Morrigan even knows what the child is and what Flemeth intended to do with it, she might just not want to tell you because she doesn't know herself and we all know Morrigan doesn't really likes to appear clueless.

[TheLion36]

CalJones wrote...
I'm generally of the opinion that allowing the ritual is a huge risk, and also a cop-out - it goes against what being a warden is about.

This depends, the Grey Warden motto being "Whatever it takes". If you combine that with my earlier post that there might be a chance that the dark ritual could allow non-greywardens to slay the archdemon and still end the blight then this wouldn't go against grey warden standards at all...
Also making sure there's 1 more warden alive (the one that slays the archdemon) could also be considered to be a good thing considering the motto. 

Whether or not its safe still remains to be seen, summoning demons to defend Wardens Keep was also not safe, but it was still in line with the grey warden motto!

Thor Rand Al wrote...
Edit: Honestly I'm not sure what to make of Morrigan, IRL I don't think I could be friends with her, I wouldn't be able to trust her n that's my problem.  It's trust! I can't trust her n everytime she talks to me I'm wondering how much of it's to please the Warden so in the end she can get what she wants or if it's sincere n real.

I'm not sure how I would react to her IRL, she might peek my interest but beyond that no idea. Can't say I would mind meeting her on the street and find out however!
I've never been able to catch her in a lie in the entire game yet, so no clue if she lies or not...
And to quote the series House MD: "Everybody lies!" 

Modifié par TheLion36, 20 février 2010 - 09:20 .

[TSamee]

krylo wrote...

Morrigan also cares about the preservation of magic and the old ways.  She speaks against the chantry for trying to destroy the old ways of magic.  She doesn't say that 'some apostates still use these old magics' when asked, she says, 'some still preserve these old magics'.   She rails on Leilianna for presuming that her own religion is greater than that of the Dalish elves using lines such as, "Perhaps they would prefer blessings from their own gods?" and she knows much of the history of the world and the old ways, perhaps taught by Flemeth.

Given this: Why is it so 'apparent' that Morrigan could only be doing this for herself?  Considering that if you have high marks with her and ask her about the child she will say something along the lines of, "But some things deserve to be preserved... take that as you will."

Chances are Flemeth sent her out to do this so that Flemeth could devour the god's powers for herself, but Morrigan isn't Flemeth.

Further, on the whole 'Nothing is a free ride in this game' let's look back at Redcliffe.

You have three options.

1) Kill Connor.
2) Kill Connor's mom.
3) Kill no one, but take a bit longer at it.

If it were true that 'Nothing is free' option three would have resulted in the demon reclaiming control of Connor in the two full days you are gone and slaughtering everyone.  This didn't happen.  You are, effectively, able to save everyone at zero cost to yourself.  

There are some things in this game that ARE free.

So, to answer the question in the OP: If Flemeth still lives at end game, doing the ritual is probably a terrible terrible idea.  If Flemeth is dead, however, I see it as a neutral or even positive thing.  I'm not convinced the old gods are evil when untainted.  I'm not convinced Morrigan is evil, especially having after romanced her and been best buds with her on two different play throughs.

However, the PC that romanced her still told Morrigan he'd find her.  I think she'd make a terrible single mother.

Regarding the choice in Redcliffe, option three doesn't cost you, per se, but it costs someone else rather dearly. Remember the blacksmith? The old man whose help you enlist to help defend Redcliffe, and whose daughter you promise to save in return? Well, I'm not sure what happens if you pick options one or two, but if you spend time gathering mages at the Circle, she dies. You find no trace of her, and your log presumes that she was killed during Conor's extended period of bloodshed. Upon returning to Redcliffe later, after breaking the news to the old man... well, it's sad. When you talk to him initially, he seems really, really worried, completely snowed under in grief at the prospect of his daughter dying. After finding out she's dead, he hangs himself.

So it did cost something; in order to preserve both the child and his ****y, unfaithful (Oh, Tea-gann...) mother, an old man lost the one thing in life that mattered to him. Nice work, Mr. Hero. Honestly, that was a truly great moment in terms of morality and game design.

Regarding Morrigan and her desire to preserve other cultures and old magic, I think that you're 100% correct, and feel that she might not have "evil" reasons for preserving the God. Maybe it's a bit like Morrigan on freeing Sten; it's powerful, it deserves a chance. Either way, we'll find out soon enough in expansions/sequels, because, I agree with you yet again, Morrigan would make a horrible single mother XD

[blademaster7]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

You're right about that, she almost sounded disappointed actually that you told him, but definitely shocked

Thor Rand Al wrote...
No all I was saying was that Morrigan was suprised that I had told Alistair the truth about the ritual instead of lying to him about it.

You know, I had the impression that the deal was supposed to be a secret between you two. From a male PC perspective anyway, but I'm assuming it's not very different for females.

"I'm saving your life and after I'm gone you forget everything about it and never bother with me again". That's how I interpret the deal.

It was definitely something I wanted to discuss with Riordan but alas, the writers placed a restriction on any dialogue concerning the DR.

Riordan's opinion would be very enlightening and would have made the decision so much easier. Hell, he was in the very next room. Remember what Duncan did to Ser Jory? Grey Wardens don't let anyone get away with classified information, let alone someone who want's to use the Archdemon to give birth to an Old God.

Would Riordan have her go through the Joining since she knew the secrets? Would he slay her on the spot? Or would he let a new recruit go through with the DR and lock her in a cell to deal with her after the Blight was over?

I was kinda bummed about how limited our options were with the dialogues. My Warden felt completely out of character when i couldn't interrogate her.

TheLion36 wrote...
I've never been able to catch her in a lie in the entire game yet, so no clue if she lies or not...

Well, there is the story about how she lied to get away from a templar.... and then there is the Fort Drakon mission. Se tries to get in with lies and she is proven a terrible liar at that.

Other than that, she's pretty straightforward. She doesn't lie but she doesn't tell the whole truth either.

Modifié par blademaster7, 20 février 2010 - 09:56 .