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[-Area51-Silent]

When you hear
"Your species has the attention of those infinitely greater"
"That which you know as reapers are your salvation through destruction"

I wonder if that means somthing beyond the Reapers? perhaps an even greater evil exists past them, and the creation of the sentient machines at some point in history had a purpose?

[Landline]

Since they were turning humans into a Reaper I assumed it meant that they meant that they were going to make humanity immortal by allowing them to join their ranks.

[Evil_Sarevok]

More than likely hes just speaking about themselves, and the fact that turning all the humans into a reaper smoothie is the only way to keep their essence alive, since they are going to kill everyone else as 'food'.

Thats my best guess, machines will be machines.

Modifié par Evil_Sarevok, 12 février 2010 - 01:41 .

[Ghost_360]

Yeah those Reapers sure act like they want to help us....

[Ninja Ataris]

Yeah, they're arrogant machines that are talking about themselves.

[Missouri Tigers]

"That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction."



What part of that are you not understanding. The guys who know as Reapers will destroy you, yet then allow you to live by working like the Collectors. It is completely obvious what is being said.

[Skilled Seeker]

It would be pretty funny if it turns out the Reapers were protecting the Galaxy from some terrible super advanced beings and destroying the Reapers ends up with the other beings taking over and torturing your souls eternally.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Stopping the Collectors was obviously a mistake.



Oh forgive us Cthulu!

[Splinter Cell 108]

I thought his last comments were "You have failed, we will find another way". Either way he's very arrogant always saying "If I have to tear you apart Shepard I will". "Your form is fraile" or something. He's really arrogant ans he'll pay for that.

[Madriker]

Lot of antagonists an' villains refer to themselves in the third person.

[Exile Isan]

Yep. They were going to "assimilate" us, humans, into a Reaper, hence salvation in that we would still exist, but destruction in that our culture, etc would be destroyed. The rest of the species in the galaxy however, are going to get the prothean treatment.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 12 février 2010 - 01:51 .

[mjwoltsknar]

it's probably the traditional argument of saving humanity from its imperfections by destroying it, so that there's nothing left to be imperfect

[Landline]

One thing, I'm pretty sure several million year old machines that have destroyed all advanced organic life in the galaxy more times then we could comprehend have the right to be arrogant.

[-Area51-Silent]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

It would be pretty funny if it turns out the Reapers were protecting the Galaxy from some terrible super advanced beings and destroying the Reapers ends up with the other beings taking over and torturing your souls eternally.

This is more along the lines of what I was thinking. The reapers make new reapers from the races they destroy, though the prothean reaper failed for whatever reason. So they enslaved the protheans to build a human reaper. The idea is that at the apex of a society, the reapers would grind down humans to their basic elements and implant them into a single conciousness, immortalizing them, so to speak.

I get this idea from Legion, where he states all geth exist in within him. Perhaps in machine logic where the solution can only be 0 or 1, they are providing a salvation from what could be a worst fate. Perhaps the Reapers were created by a society seeking to escape a fate worst than death?

Don't be so one dimensional when you think about it. Also I would doubt machines would have arrogance, when you reduce everything down to numbers things either are or arn't.

[flatlander five]

T.I.M. and the reapers have been battling each other since the dawn of time Each time the reapers have emerged from hiding they have scoured the galaxy of higher life in hopes of finally defeating the arch-fiend T.I.M.. They hide their motives because they don't want anyone to figure out that they aren't the top predators. The reapers are the good guys, T.I.M. is the bad guy. Yeah - that is actually a horrible idea, and I'm sorry I even typed it

Modifié par flatlander five, 12 février 2010 - 01:58 .

[Kerilus]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

It would be pretty funny if it turns out the Reapers were protecting the Galaxy from some terrible super advanced beings and destroying the Reapers ends up with the other beings taking over and torturing your souls eternally.

Sound like a certain Japanese anime...an awesome one by the way, but awfully unfitting to ME universe.

[Bryy_Miller]

flatlander five wrote...

T.I.M. and the reapers have been battling each other since the dawn of time Each time the reapers have emerged from hiding they have scoured the galaxy of higher life in hopes of finally defeating the arch-fiend T.I.M.. They hide their motives because they don't want anyone to figure out that they aren't the top predators. The reapers are the good guys, T.I.M. is the bad guy. Yeah - that is actually a horrible idea, and I'm sorry I even typed it

My friend has it in her head that TIM is God and the entire Mass Effect universe resides in his head.

[blank1]

The reason the Reapers end up destroying all advanced enough sentient life every 50,000 years is probably going to end up being some philosophical cop out, such as, "All you organics are going to destroy each other and the galaxy because you can't get along," or "We are just what you're going to end up doing anyways in your quest for immortality, so we're just helping you out, K?"



I wish it'd be something that adds a bit of fatal irony to it... like, the original Reapers were some advanced organic species that created the Mass Relays, but discovered that their continual use is going to eventually destroy the galaxy, or universe somehow. Therefore, in order to save the galaxy or universe, they waged some sort of war against every other organic species, or made some sort of deal, where they'd bind their entire species' collective intelligence to a warship and periodically cull newly emergent organic life to "save the universe."



Seems unlikely, but I just hope it not some cheap cop out and actually makes what they're trying to accomplish somewhat noble, so that the choice to destroy them or let them go out with their plan isn't so black and white. It'd be pretty amazing if the paragon choice was thinking of the universe at large, instead of selfishly preserving organic life which is causing the universe to implode, and letting the Reapers cull everyone... where as the Renegade choice would be, "Fck you we'll do what we want, stupid tentacley warships filled with genetic goo!"

[-Area51-Silent]

blank1 wrote...

The reason the Reapers end up destroying all advanced enough sentient life every 50,000 years is probably going to end up being some philosophical cop out, such as, "All you organics are going to destroy each other and the galaxy because you can't get along," or "We are just what you're going to end up doing anyways in your quest for immortality, so we're just helping you out, K?"

I wish it'd be something that adds a bit of fatal irony to it... like, the original Reapers were some advanced organic species that created the Mass Relays, but discovered that their continual use is going to eventually destroy the galaxy, or universe somehow. Therefore, in order to save the galaxy or universe, they waged some sort of war against every other organic species, or made some sort of deal, where they'd bind their entire species' collective intelligence to a warship and periodically cull newly emergent organic life to "save the universe."

Seems unlikely, but I just hope it not some cheap cop out and actually makes what they're trying to accomplish somewhat noble, so that the choice to destroy them or let them go out with their plan isn't so black and white. It'd be pretty amazing if the paragon choice was thinking of the universe at large, instead of selfishly preserving organic life which is causing the universe to implode, and letting the Reapers cull everyone... where as the Renegade choice would be, "Fck you we'll do what we want, stupid tentacley warships filled with genetic goo!"

I agree with this, though I hope they leave room to expand beyond the trilogy (not necessarily in the same story, but universe).

[Sapienti]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

This is more along the lines of what I was thinking. The reapers make new reapers from the races they destroy, though the prothean reaper failed for whatever reason. So they enslaved the protheans to build a human reaper. The idea is that at the apex of a society, the reapers would grind down humans to their basic elements and implant them into a single conciousness, immortalizing them, so to speak.

I get this idea from Legion, where he states all geth exist in within him. Perhaps in machine logic where the solution can only be 0 or 1, they are providing a salvation from what could be a worst fate. Perhaps the Reapers were created by a society seeking to escape a fate worst than death?

Don't be so one dimensional when you think about it. Also I would doubt machines would have arrogance, when you reduce everything down to numbers things either are or arn't.

The Reapers aren't purely synthetic though, they started out organic so I don't think they just go and break down all choices to 0 and 1. So why not let them be unkowable arrogant entities. I think thats exactly what Harbinger was saying though, "we are your salvation". I don't think it was anything so noble as "we're trying to save you by forcing this on you". I think he was simply saying something closer to the affect of "We are so much better you should be honored to give your lives to become an extension of our will.". Besides it would make no sense to have a multi million year old threat that has done nothing while the Reapers hibernated off and on in 50,000 year old cycles. You can only keep up the "escalation" plot build in a series for so long before you need to change things. ME3 will probably see the end to the Reapers while ME4 is some other unique yet to be brainstormed threat.

As for them copping out and letting you decide on whether to let the Reapers live or die. It would make no sense. Its not just "unlikely but possible" its downright idiotic. Nothing in Reaper behavior indicates any sort of noble or ethical/philosophical cause. They're hundreds of thousands if not millions of years old. If their goal was to prevent degredation of the galaxy they wouldn't guide life far enough along to just damage it more, so don't expect that to be any sort of drive behind them harvesting life to power themselves.