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He is a good guy, he is the 'normal guy' of your team, last time it was Kaiden.



He isn't too bad a character but when compare to your very colorful squad he gets overshadowed.

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

Sharn01 wrote...
I saved him, well, saved every one, so, I hear if he gets carried off by the swarm you get to watch him get turned to goop, is that true?

I just skipped his loyalty mission, then had him lead a fire team.  Poor bastard.  Really shouldn't have trusted me >.>

[Faerlyte]

cedardryad wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

I like Jacob just fine, but I HATE how my fem Shep talks to him. I cannot stand it, they really dropped the ball on the whole let you guys makes your own decisions thing with Jacob. I did not expect his romance or flirting to be pushed down my throat, but there it was.

"I thought, we could just.... Talk..."
Nooo!! My Shepard doesn't talk or act like that for at least 3 converstations!

I thought the same way. I was like: "Whoa, whoa there. I just wanted to find out more about him, not more about him." Even when MaleShep speaks to him it sounds like they're flirting.

Yeah, but at least you can talk to Jacob without him trying to immediately jump your bones. It's not his fault that's the way Shepard talks to him. 

As far as Jacob being a jerk to Tali, he later comments when Legion is picked up that "Tali's not going to like this", which I thought was rather considerate of him, and I got the impression he was inclined to agree too. So regardless of whether his first comment towards her was barbed or not, he doesn't hold any real malice for Tali. 

Jacob doesn't appear to hold a great deal of malice for anyone. 

I don't know how anyone could say that it was fun to talk to Kaiden when all he does is pick up "mixed signals" if you talk to him as Femshep. I could forgive him for just being dull, but he's also condescending, which basically puts him right above Ashley on the bottom of my list. 

[Zhijn]

Jacob's butt cheeks just dosnt do it for me. Great guy, but his uniform just give me the shivers. =d

I know it aint fair since im starring at Miranda's behind like 24/7, but thats just how it goes.

Modifié par Zhijn, 12 février 2010 - 04:26 .

[JLocke37]

I really enjoyed him as a squadmate with my Male Shep, he seemed just like one of the guys, and there was a good bromance going, just like with Male Shep and Garrus.
On the other hand, I really dislike Jacob on my FemShep.  It's very difficult to even talk to him without some type of flirting going on, and quite frankly, as a male in real life, I have no interest in my FemShep having a relationship with anyone besides Liara.

[tmelange]

I didn't particularly like Jacob, though I did use him in my squad quite often. I found his "personality" and model to be too much of a caricature that was out of place in ME. I point to the stupid bro-handshake chest bump thing he does with Shepard at the end of his dialogue tree as an example of behavior that seemed odd in its isolation from any other type of comaraderie that we've been shown in this universe. I also found his dialogue off-putting, particularly when you ask him to talk and he says "I don't believe in forcing these conversations" or whatever, he always sounds like he has an attitude problem. I didn't despise him or anything, but as a person of color, he rubbed me the wrong way. Even the way he would stand bugged me...

Modifié par tmelange, 12 février 2010 - 04:38 .

[Gilsa]

He did seem flat and boring as others have pointed out, but I think he's just mostly overshadowed. He's very by-the-book when you meet him and there's this professional line that is obviously drawn in the sand. And then when it's hinted at that he and Miranda had a past together, the interest wanes pretty fast. (When he says that Miranda deserves a better man than him, what does that make FemShep if she's pursuing Jacob? =P I just chalk it up to an awkward line.) I do have a character that I created for romancing him and for taking him on all the missions so I can hear his comments, but I have other playthroughs to finish first. (Sorry, Jacob! *sob*)

[Splinter Cell 108]

I liked Jacob too. I always put him as team leader. He's one of the few characters that the male Shepard can identify with. After all they have gone through some very similar things. I hope he does return, well I'm actually hoping all the ME2 crew returns.

[AkA-AmdusciA_]

I liked him.

He was a bro, not a bro like Garrus but he was a bro.

[Faerlyte]

Gilsa wrote...

He did seem flat and boring as others have pointed out, but I think he's just mostly overshadowed. He's very by-the-book when you meet him and there's this professional line that is obviously drawn in the sand. And then when it's hinted at that he and Miranda had a past together, the interest wanes pretty fast. (When he says that Miranda deserves a better man than him, what does that make FemShep if she's pursuing Jacob? =P I just chalk it up to an awkward line.) I do have a character that I created for romancing him and for taking him on all the missions so I can hear his comments, but I have other playthroughs to finish first. (Sorry, Jacob! *sob*)

That was the first thing I thought when I got that line from Jacob. I'm like, "Okay, so Miranda deserves a better man, but my Femshep doesn't?"  That just doesn't sound good. 

I still like Jacob, but he's not what I'd call ideal romance material. 

[Sidney]

He was just..........there. At least the spare guy has moved up from whiny SoB (Allistair, Carth, Anomen) to milquetoast.



He wasn't all that good at anything for combat that I'd want him over most anyone else. His story wasn't interesting and he didn't sing showtunes so what the hades really good is he?

[ERJAK2]

1490 wrote...

I know we've all seen the Tali thread up near the top much of the time.  Also with lots of hits are the Thane and Garrus threads, and I've also seen Miranda, Jack, Liara and even Ashley threads.  These threads are full of people who want these characters back as romance options or simply companions in ME 3 and support them.  However, I've heard virtually no discussion on any thread about Jacob Taylor.

So what is it about Mr. Taylor that *isn't* as exciting as every other character, since nobody talks to him?  Does his romance suck (I haven't been able to try a female Shepard yet, so I wouldn't know).  Do people just not like his character, or the way he develops?   I'm curious.

Nope, no one likes him. See, the popularity of characters in the ME universe depends entirely on thier hips. The bigger the hips are the more popular. Tali, Liara, Garrus, Mordin, Jack, Miranda, all have good sized hips. Jacob doesn't have any at all(to the point where it defies human anatomy.) and as such, is not popular.

[RiverRat]

Jacob looks like he'd be more at home on a football field, not a battle field.

[NoUserNameHere]

Sorry, he's cool and all, but he kind of gets overshadowed by the Gilla-Monster Space James Bond and 10 foot tall armored death lizard.

[Spectre_Shepard]

i liked jacob. I'd take him over miranda any day.



me and him got loud and spilled some drinks on the citadel after blowing away the collectors.

[EDarkness]

Jacob is a pretty awesome character, but rather normal. He was basically my second in command and enjoy my male Shep's interactions with him. Problem is he didn't have any baggage and people like characters with baggage...unfortunately. I hope Bioware doesn't give him any baggage in the next game. Having someone who was down to earth was refreshing and I wish there was more of that in the game. Seemed like everyone else had issues.

I didn't particularly like Jacob, though I did use him in my squad quite often. I found his "personality" and model to be too much of a caricature that was out of place in ME. I point to the stupid bro-handshake chest bump thing he does with Shepard at the end of his dialogue tree as an example of behavior that seemed odd in its isolation from any other type of comaraderie that we've been shown in this universe. I also found his dialogue off-putting, particularly when you ask him to talk and he says "I don't believe in forcing these conversations" or whatever, he always sounds like he has an attitude problem. I didn't despise him or anything, but as a person of color, he rubbed me the wrong way. Even the way he would stand bugged me...

As a black man (and I'm not afraid to say I'm black...instead of a "person of color"), I thought they did a good job of avoiding most of the black stereotypes and allowed him to be an actually nice guy who didn't swear all over the place. He was normal, and even the "black brother" hug at the end of his dialog tree was comforting since it showed that he viewed Shepard as one of the homies. That part just gave me a good feeling. And considering the number of black folks in the game to begin with, I'd take him as a representative of blackness any day.

Modifié par EDarkness, 12 février 2010 - 05:03 .

[Hellish Wolf]

RurouniSaiya-jin wrote...

Jacob is pretty cool. He's my paragon Sheperd's best buddy. His character is pretty interesting. I hope he comes back in ME 3. We've much partying to do to celebrate surviving the suicide mission

Same with me haha, I want the Normandy to have a bar like he suggested!

[tkaz85]

The problem I see with Jacob is that he doesn't appear to have that many flaws. The only thing that really bothers him is his association with Cerberus, yet half the time he seems to be defending them for "getting the job done". There's nothing really to latch on to.

[KainrycKarr]

One of my top favorite bromances...but that's about it.



Bland, like Kaidan, without being whiny as well.

[Pauravi]

I liked Jacob just like I liked Kaiden. Both really nice, stand-up guys, glad to have them around. I didn't find anything particularly compelling about them, though, especially Jacob. Kaiden wasn't needy, but he did have some interesting stories to tell.

So it isn't that I don't like Jacob -- I do -- I just think that most of the other characters are more interesting.

[tmelange]

EDarkness wrote...

As a black man (and I'm not afraid to say I'm black...instead of a "person of color"), I thought they did a good job of avoiding most of the black stereotypes and allowed him to be an actually nice guy who didn't swear all over the place. He was normal, and even the "black brother" hug at the end of his dialog tree was comforting since it showed that he viewed Shepard as one of the homies. That part just gave me a good feeling. And considering the number of black folks in the game to begin with, I'd take him as a representative of blackness any day.

"One of the homies"? That's the problem that I have with the way they presented the character. Where else in the ME universe are we introduced to this notion of "hominess"? It's not a military thing, since no other military personnel seem to need to express this sort of comaraderie, not even the other black characters like Capt. Anderson. I'm not saying that Jacob is non-representative of a black person of today; I'm saying his personality type sticks out like a sore thumb, and because of that, it seemed very odd to me to out of the blue have this 21st century equivalent of a representation of a facet of african american culture in the ME universe. It would be one thing if there were a whole squad of marines and they were all acting in such a way, but as it is, Shep looks ridiculous trying to be all cool and down with the black guy. I found it all cringe-worthy.

I liked Jacob in a way; I used him a lot, made him the leader of both my suicide teams; respected him as a character -- and I acknowledge that he's exactly like many people I currently know today -- but his translation into the ME universe was to me like....putting a Mexican character with a bandana and tats, with a chiwawa sidekick, who's favorite food is taco bell, and who's loyalty mission centers around either a gang or an immigration issue in the game. Are there people in existence today that fit that stereotype? Sure. But is it somewhat jarring to take that sort of cultural stereotype and plop it down in the ME universe where there is no context? Where there might not even be a Mexico still in existence? To me, it was. I mean, do you really think that african american culturalism will at all resemble today's expression so many years in the future? Look at the changes that have occurred in just the last 50 years.

I just found Jacob misplaced, and Shep's attempt to be a "homey" stupid.

Modifié par tmelange, 12 février 2010 - 06:20 .

[Canned Bullets]

He's just normal, which is boring, not as badass like Garrus.

[EDarkness]

tmelange wrote...

"One of the homies"? That's the problem that I have with the way they presented the character. Where else in the ME universe are we introduced to this notion of "hominess"? It's not a military thing, since no other military personnel seem to need to express this sort of comaraderie, not even the other black characters like Capt. Anderson. I'm not saying that Jacob is non-representative of a black person of today; I'm saying his personality type sticks out like a sore thumb, and because of that, it seemed very odd to me to out of the blue have this 21st century equivalent of a representation of a facet of african american culture in the ME universe. It would be one thing if there were a whole squad of marines and they were all acting in such a way, but as it is, Shep looks ridiculous trying to be all cool and down with the black guy. I found it all cringe-worthy.

I grew up on a military base and I can tell you that military personalities are all over the place.  I saw nothing wrong with how Jacob was acting and found it rather interesting.  And in the military there is this notion of being a "homie" and being accepted into the group.  The hug was a sign of that transition between the characters.  Sure, it's a cultural nod, but considering where they could have gone, I found it acceptable and it made sense considering the situation.  Thing is, we don't know what black culture is like in the ME universe because there are very few black people in the game.  Our only real options are Anderson (an old black military guy) and Jacob (a young black military guy).  Young black folks act completely different compared to the older people.  We also don't get to see how Alliance squads react to each other.  I tend to think of the guys in Aliens for some reason.  Besides, my Shepard is black, so the scene made more sense to me.

I liked Jacob in a way; I used him a lot, made him the leader of both my suicide teams; respected him as a character -- and I acknowledge that he's exactly like many people I currently know today -- but his translation into the ME universe was to me like....putting a Mexican character with a bandana and tats, with a chiwawa sidekick, who's favorite food is taco bell, and who's loyalty mission centers around either a gang or an immigration issue in the game. Are there people in existence today that fit that stereotype? Sure. But is it somewhat jarring to take that sort of cultural stereotype and plop it down in the ME universe were there is no context? Where there might not even be a Mexico? To me, it was. I mean, do you really think that african american culturalism will at all resemble today's expression so many years in the future? Look at the changes that have occurred in just the last 50 years.

I just found Jacob misplaced, and Shep's attempt to be a "homey" stupid.

Why wouldn't he accept Shepard as a homie?  I guess that's the part I don't understand.  Jacob is nothing like the black stereotypes you see out there.  The huge, bald, smoking, cussing, raunchy black guys in games are way worse.  Ever play Gears of War?  Man, that game makes me cringe.  What about FFXIII with the black guy who has a huge fro trying to be "cool"?  I'd much rather have Jacob as model of black culture.  Nice guys who get the job done without all the flash and baggage.  I didn't think Jacob was anything like the Mexican stereotype you described.  Maybe I'm not as sensitive to it as you are.

[WilliamShatner]

He's a huge step down from ME1's gun cleaner.



And female Shepard dialog with him is one of my biggest irriations with the game.