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[KumoriOokami]

squidbunny wrote...

Echoing everyone else's sentiments. There's nothing the matter with Jacob; he's a cool dude and he's got your back. He is less dull than Kaidan and significantly less emo. I like the character and he rounds out the cast, but like everyone else who played a FemShep it's a little offputting how little you can do to stop the Commander from throwing herself at him, especially when he's romantically uninteresting relative to someone like Garrus, who Shepard has a history with. If, like Railstay was saying, they built more on Shepard and Taylor's shared experiences it might be a little more compelling.

On another note, since this is becoming a Jacob thread, why not effect a name change to that initial post? I didn't hook up with the guy but man, "So nobody likes Jacob?" is s sad name for a support thread.

This.  I would like to be able to communicate with him as female Shepard in a way other than the extremes "zomg ur so hot" or "go bleep urself i dont like u!"

Or at least clearly label these responses as what they are so you don't accidentally pick the wrong one.  :-P

I had the same problem with Kaiden to a lesser extent in ME1, it was difficult to just talk to him without Shepard either throwing herself at him or being unnecessarily rude to him to let him down, lol. 

[Dark Specie]

He was a good pal of my male Shep. He doesn't quite feel as fleshed out as a character as some of the othhers - and kinda emotionless at most times too. However, he really surpised me - he'scvery honest and all for someone who is part of a Blacks ops group. Defintively not what I'd have expected from someone working for Cerebus. That alone makes him okay in my book

[boardnfool86]

what? he's my dog... we're spilling drinks on the citadel right now

[We Tigers]

Dark Specie wrote...
Blacks ops group.

Excellent typo.

I liked Jacob a lot, even if he gets overshadowed by other characters both in story and in combat as the game progresses.  It was nice to have a crew member who was, Heart of Darkness dad aside, more or less drama-free.  The pound he and Shepard give each other once you've exhausted all his conversation options cracks me up.  Space bros before space hos?

[lltoon]

Empiro wrote...

He was a nice guy, which made him just a forgettable character, just like how it is in real life.

THIS.

[AceTrilby101]

There was nothing wrong with Jacob apart from that his character wasn't fleshed out much - which I guess Mass Effect: Galaxy was for.
He was likable, yet a touch boring.
His personal quest was too short, and kind of dull.
And, like Kaidan, he wasn't a lot of use for higher ranking players, or even achievement hunters - most of his skills can only be used by him.
That being said, his voice actor was pretty good, and he had a real 'buddy' feel to him. I suspect the girls playing ME2 couldn't have complained about his impossible chest either (Seriously, why is it that this always happens with guys called Jacob?) 

Modifié par AceTrilby101, 12 février 2010 - 04:56 .

[FlyinElk212]

To the OP: Correct.

[CC-Tron]

RPGmom28 wrote...

My current FemShep is romancing him. His teeny narrow hips are irritating, but I'm trying to get past it. I do like his deep voice. He has a reassuring presence and is a very reliable team member, especially with the barrier.

Narrow hips on a man irritating?  That's a bodybuilder physique. He has a perfect v shape. Some men would donate half their blood for a body like that. There are men with wide hips but it 's not flattering. Seriously his hips aren't narrow compared to Shep"s. His shoulders are wider than Shep's though.

Modifié par CC-Tron, 12 février 2010 - 04:59 .

[tmelange]

EDarkness wrote...

tmelange wrote...

"One of the homies"? That's the problem that I have with the way they presented the character. Where else in the ME universe are we introduced to this notion of "hominess"? It's not a military thing, since no other military personnel seem to need to express this sort of comaraderie, not even the other black characters like Capt. Anderson. I'm not saying that Jacob is non-representative of a black person of today; I'm saying his personality type sticks out like a sore thumb, and because of that, it seemed very odd to me to out of the blue have this 21st century equivalent of a representation of a facet of african american culture in the ME universe. It would be one thing if there were a whole squad of marines and they were all acting in such a way, but as it is, Shep looks ridiculous trying to be all cool and down with the black guy. I found it all cringe-worthy.

I grew up on a military base and I can tell you that military personalities are all over the place.  I saw nothing wrong with how Jacob was acting and found it rather interesting.  And in the military there is this notion of being a "homie" and being accepted into the group.  The hug was a sign of that transition between the characters.  Sure, it's a cultural nod, but considering where they could have gone, I found it acceptable and it made sense considering the situation.  Thing is, we don't know what black culture is like in the ME universe because there are very few black people in the game.  Our only real options are Anderson (an old black military guy) and Jacob (a young black military guy).  Young black folks act completely different compared to the older people.  We also don't get to see how Alliance squads react to each other.  I tend to think of the guys in Aliens for some reason.  Besides, my Shepard is black, so the scene made more sense to me.

I liked Jacob in a way; I used him a lot, made him the leader of both my suicide teams; respected him as a character -- and I acknowledge that he's exactly like many people I currently know today -- but his translation into the ME universe was to me like....putting a Mexican character with a bandana and tats, with a chiwawa sidekick, who's favorite food is taco bell, and who's loyalty mission centers around either a gang or an immigration issue in the game. Are there people in existence today that fit that stereotype? Sure. But is it somewhat jarring to take that sort of cultural stereotype and plop it down in the ME universe were there is no context? Where there might not even be a Mexico? To me, it was. I mean, do you really think that african american culturalism will at all resemble today's expression so many years in the future? Look at the changes that have occurred in just the last 50 years.

I just found Jacob misplaced, and Shep's attempt to be a "homey" stupid.

Why wouldn't he accept Shepard as a homie?  I guess that's the part I don't understand.  Jacob is nothing like the black stereotypes you see out there.  The huge, bald, smoking, cussing, raunchy black guys in games are way worse.  Ever play Gears of War?  Man, that game makes me cringe.  What about FFXIII with the black guy who has a huge fro trying to be "cool"?  I'd much rather have Jacob as model of black culture.  Nice guys who get the job done without all the flash and baggage.  I didn't think Jacob was anything like the Mexican stereotype you described.  Maybe I'm not as sensitive to it as you are.

If it worked for you, and you were able to take a modern day context and extrapolate its relevancy in the ME universe, I completely understand and respect that. It didn't at all work for me. I didn't dislike the character per se; I didn't think he was a poor representation of a black person of today per se; I thought he was misplaced, and outside of any established cultural context so that things that weren't necessarily offensive seemed to me to be a caricature, and I wondered what Bioware was trying to accomplish. It brought to mind to me what I've often seen happen in corporate america where people tend to think they have to "act black" -- whatever that is supposed to mean -- to somehow relate to a person who is black. That there is some special behavioral patterns that have to be adopted to relate to (or represent) a "cool" black person.

In any event, I found it jarring. But that was just my reaction. I certainly understand if it worked for you based on your modern military experience.

Modifié par tmelange, 12 février 2010 - 04:58 .

[RPGmom28]

I don't mind narrow hips that look as though they're in good proportion to the rest of the body, no. But the character model's hips do look too narrow as though they are out of proportion. Zaeed's hips look normal while Jacob's look pinched. And perhaps it's that in real life I'm not into the massive body of a bodybuilder. I prefer something more middle of the road. But Jacob has an attractive face and good soulful eyes. If he were a real guy, I'd definitely be interested.

Modifié par RPGmom28, 12 février 2010 - 05:11 .

[Forest03]

There's nothing wrong with Jacob. He's simply uninteresting, and his mission doesn't carry any ramifications that could seriously affect (if at all) the future of ME3's narrative. It would have made very little difference to the plotline had he not been implemented at all. The latter also applies to Grunt, Thane, Zaeed, Samara, Garrus, and Jack. Their character designs are nicely thought out, their missions well designed, and they each have their own strengths to contribute when forming a squad. But ultimately, as good supporting characters as they are, they are nothing more than mere cannon fodder.

Legion, Tali, and Mordin, along with the outcome of their personal missions, are the only ones I can see making a big difference to the ME universe, and consequently the direction of ME3. Miranda, while her mission was irrelevant, is a great asset, as she has had access to Cerberus intelligence. Everyone else is just filler.

Modifié par Forest03, 12 février 2010 - 05:34 .

[KealaFerret]

I like Jacob. He seems like the sort that would make a rockin' drinking buddy, or the kind of guy to chill and hang out with. He's the sort of guy in real life I'd be like "come on over, let's play violent video games and have a beer". He actually feels pretty "normal" so to speak, kind of a stabilizing influence.

However, I love everyone.

[Peer of the Empire]

I like Jacob more than I like any other of those characters, except maybe Miranda, although I disapprove of her looks.  Ash is also likable, I don't know why you'd write "even", Human Empire ftw

[SelphieSK]

I thought he was okay, until I romanced him. Oh boy, terrible, just... terrible...

[Siansonea]

My issues with Jacob are visual. His eye and mouth animations are sometimes wierd, he often looks cross-eyed, and his speech animation often make him look like he's grimacing. He looks really good when he's not speaking, so I try not to speak to him too much.

[IMTrick]

Personally, I think Jacob was OK... and great on missions. I took him all over the place.



But, really... the guy just strikes me as a carbon copy of any character L.L. Cool J ever played in an action movie. The nice guy with the disarming smile who happens to be black.



There was nothing really new or original about Jacob, unlike every other crew member.



I will, however, concede that he was not nearly as derivative as the younger, hornier Scottty in the engineering room. When I first met him, I cringed.

[WoodWizzard87]

ME2 Sub Plot: Daddy issues. Miranda is running from tyrant fanatical dad. Jacob's dad turns out to be an a hole, and tries to make himself a king. Tali's dad is making geth and we find out he dies. Thane is a dad, but his son and him have some serious bonding to do.

[ComTrav]

WoodWizzard87 wrote...

ME2 Sub Plot: Daddy issues. Miranda is running from tyrant fanatical dad. Jacob's dad turns out to be an a hole, and tries to make himself a king. Tali's dad is making geth and we find out he dies. Thane is a dad, but his son and him have some serious bonding to do.

Don't forget Morinth/Samara.

[tmelange]

IMTrick wrote...

I will, however, concede that he was not nearly as derivative as the younger, hornier Scottty in the engineering room. When I first met him, I cringed.

I agree that the engineer was cringeworthy too, and if you're sensitive to it in particular, then I can see it bothering a person. However, the engineer wasn't a squad member; your interaction with him was very limited.

Modifié par tmelange, 12 février 2010 - 06:06 .

[Mister_Tez]

I don't dislike Jacob... but I don't particularly like him either. Nice enough guy, just a bit... dull.



Still, IMO he's a vast improvement on Kaiden, who I hated (especially because he reminded me of Carth, of course). In all my ME1 playthroughs, whatever other choices I made, there has always been one constant: Kaiden was purged by nuclear fire.

[Gingeraids]

It's not that I hate Jacob...I just find him to be a bit...one-sided or boring.



He never really showed any personality outside of his Loyalty Mission..and even still it could be summed up as "YOU'RE NOT A GOOD GUY AND I THINK YOU SMELL FUNNY."



But then again, he was competing against the likes of Garrus, Samara, Legion, and Tali. Can't really blame him for not being an interesting character.

[Creston918]

I'd like him better if he'd Pimp my Ride.

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

lltoon wrote...

Empiro wrote...

He was a nice guy, which made him just a forgettable character, just like how it is in real life.

THIS.

haha, yeah, hes neutral...kinda bore, nice guy so hes not on the radar.

jack on the other end 

[screwoffreg]

I like when he trolled Tali and his reactions to some of Shepard's statements. A real stand up guy, a "bro", if you will. I hope he is in ME 3 as a squad mate to balance all the other emotionally disturbed people on the crew.

[Tleining]

Jacob is a nice guy, but i wish he would grow a backbone or something. He is working with Cerberus because he agrees with their goals, of course he doesn't agree with how they do things, but who cares, right? I wish he would make a decision. Either he supports Cerberus, then he should stand behind them, like Miranda does, or he doesn't, then he should do something about it. Why not join or create a mercenary group?

I just don't see him making any decisions of his own. He kinda got pulled into cerberus by working with Miranda, they kinda were together, but somehow it didn't work out.

The thing i really hated about him was his reaction to Thane. I'm not a big fan of Thane, but Jacob saying that he can't trust an assassin was just weird. So Thane killed people for Money, something Jacob would never do, right? *lol*