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[Weskerr]

It's impossible for me to pick one game over the other. They're both fantastic in their own way.

[Kalfear]

lukandroll wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

lukandroll wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

yoomazir wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

ME2

I made a poll, some time ago here:
http://social.biowar...596/polls/1670/

The majority says ME2

majority of  what? 140 people? and probably part of them never played the first ME.

I' m really sorry to say it but ME2 is a bad TPS and a bad RPG with a lame story who royaly mess up with how ended the first game.

I suppose that if I want a good tps I should stick with Army of Two or Gears of War and if I want a good (w)rpg I should stick with DA:O or Fallout 3.

And to think that Bioware co-founder Greg Zeschuk bashed jrpgs for being stagnant...

Smile and nod, smile and nod, this the normal "logic" DarthCain (doesnt that name scream 13 year old?) known for here.

So the guy has a point and you insult him, guess who is looking more like a 13 year old??

ROFLMAO!

What point, that his bias poll of 140 people had the result he gimicked to ensure returned?

Wow, doesnt take much to please some of you

You can't talk about bias, when the 120% of your post are completely and utterly pro bioware even when the original poster DO had a point, at least he had a poll and a valid opinion.
If anyone is questionable here, that's you mein freud.

Sure I can, watch this
Justatroll (thats you) is BIAS against Bioware and just comes here to troll the forums looking for the attention he cant even buy in the real world.
Darth Cain is a pro Bioware junky that count create a balanced arguement if his life depended on it and creates fake polls that no one cares about to try and back up his underinformed positions!

See,not only can I talk about Bias, I can use it in a balanced and realistic manner.

Listen Justatroll, I have no problem calling out Bioware on areas they have underproduced (such as ME2 and DLC), just like when they do good, I beleive they deserve credit and not false whiner (thats you again in case you missed it) shame. KotOR was a great game worthy credit. ME1 was the best RPG ever made and worthy credit, DA:O is the best fantasy RPG ever made and worthy credit.

See how this works? 
The good stuff gets credit!
The bad stuff gets shame!

Maybe Darth Caine and you should try to add some balance to your lives Justatroll cause your really coming off as a whiner "Whaaaa, you liked something Bioware did!!! Im going to pout now".

Dont bother replying kid, this thread not about your insecurities and I appoligize to those not flaming and spamming (and making up crap that started all this...DARTH CAINE). Back to topic at hand.
BTW: My reply on topic is found on the first few pages, you wont find a on topic reply from Justatroll or DarthCaine
PS: Im not your freind, my freinds have finished not only jr high school, high school, and post secondary but. well they have real girl freinds and wives. Heck some have kids older then you. Sorry kid, you just dont fit any of the criteria (use a dictionary for meaning of last word)

Modifié par Kalfear, 15 février 2010 - 05:12 .

[Tylyanhar]

Both are epic.

[yoomazir]

Kalfear wrote...

lukandroll wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

lukandroll wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

yoomazir wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

ME2

I made a poll, some time ago here:
http://social.biowar...596/polls/1670/

The majority says ME2

majority of  what? 140 people? and probably part of them never played the first ME.

I' m really sorry to say it but ME2 is a bad TPS and a bad RPG with a lame story who royaly mess up with how ended the first game.

I suppose that if I want a good tps I should stick with Army of Two or Gears of War and if I want a good (w)rpg I should stick with DA:O or Fallout 3.

And to think that Bioware co-founder Greg Zeschuk bashed jrpgs for being stagnant...

Smile and nod, smile and nod, this the normal "logic" DarthCain (doesnt that name scream 13 year old?) known for here.

So the guy has a point and you insult him, guess who is looking more like a 13 year old??

ROFLMAO!

What point, that his bias poll of 140 people had the result he gimicked to ensure returned?

Wow, doesnt take much to please some of you

You can't talk about bias, when the 120% of your post are completely and utterly pro bioware even when the original poster DO had a point, at least he had a poll and a valid opinion.
If anyone is questionable here, that's you mein freud.

Sure I can, watch this
Justatroll (thats you) is BIAS against Bioware and just comes here to troll the forums looking for the attention he cant even buy in the real world.
Darth Cain is a pro Bioware junky that count create a balanced arguement if his life depended on it and creates fake polls that no one cares about to try and back up his underinformed positions!

See,not only can I talk about Bias, I can use it in a balanced and realistic manner.

Listen Justatroll, I have no problem calling out Bioware on areas they have underproduced (such as ME2 and DLC), just like when they do good, I beleive they deserve credit and not false whiner (thats you again in case you missed it) shame. KotOR was a great game worthy credit. ME1 was the best RPG ever made and worthy credit, DA:O is the best fantasy RPG ever made and worthy credit.

See how this works? 
The good stuff gets credit!
The bad stuff gets shame!

Maybe Darth Caine and you should try to add some balance to your lives Justatroll cause your really coming off as a whiner "Whaaaa, you liked something Bioware did!!! Im going to pout now".

Dont bother replying kid, this thread not about your insecurities and I appoligize to those not flaming and spamming (and making up crap that started all this...DARTH CAINE). Back to topic at hand.
BTW: My reply on topic is found on the first few pages, you wont find a on topic reply from Justatroll or DarthCaine
PS: Im not your freind, my freinds have finished not only jr high school, high school, and post secondary but. well they have real girl freinds and wives. Heck some have kids older then you. Sorry kid, you just dont fit any of the criteria (use a dictionary for meaning of last word)

my mistake, this is is going way too serious, but I think that there's a fair amount of people who disagree how the way ME2 went and I really hope Bioware will correct this for ME3, the wishlist topic is a fair idea of what Bioware should do...

Modifié par yoomazir, 15 février 2010 - 06:26 .

[netminder17]

I thought I could never love a game more than ME1, then I played ME2.

[SurfaceBeneath]

I don't get the "ME1 had a better plot progression than ME2" crowd.

Gee, what was that other game of Bioware's that had me "hunting for Star Maps"? Hmm...

In fact, ME1 was pretty derivative as a whole. I mean, there are parts of it I truly adore, but after ME2 I really can't consider anything more than an average game.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 15 février 2010 - 10:53 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

ME1 is the far superior game. Gameplay in both is equally flawed, with exploration and combat that leaves a lot to be desired. Most of Biowares "improvements" are just the same flaw approached from a different angle with "streamlined" slapped on it.



Mainly it comes down to the characters and plot, and ME1s is just so much more involved its unreal. ME2s plot gets introduced, kicked aside, and then reintroduced, until finally youre at the suicide mission and its over before you know it, with a tacky and easy last boss to see the event off with. "Recruiting the squad" would have been a suitable excuse for ME2s anaemic plot if any of them actually factored into the plot as anything other than squadmates. The only character in ME2 who does this is Mordin, right near the start when he develops a defence against the swarm. After that, the characters are ridiculously interchangeable almost to the point of being faceless outside of their conversations. There is no moment even approaching the ones in ME1 like Wrex on Virmire, the Ashley/Kaidan decision, or your LI coming to comfort you after the council screws you over. Its all saved for one on one dialogue with no impact on the plot, and even then its incredibly shallow, with some characters barely saying a word to you if unless you romance them.



So its a choice between two games. Both massively flawed, but the decider comes down to one being a hugely cohesive and involving story from the moment the game begins, and the other being a massively disjointed "fetch quest marathon" where the bulk of the game is recruiting characters that hardly even factor into the plot in any unique fashion.



I simply couldnt do anything other than prefer ME1over ME2. I rated ME1 a 9. ME2 gets somewhere in the 7-7.5 range. Good game, but in terms of comparing it to the first, its a completely forgettable (Ive grown bored of it already, so its in dire need of DLC to keep the interest alive) cover based shooter that has as many flaws as ME1, but none of its strengths.

[Dzikv]

Me1 for story hands down!



Me2 for the combat.

[T1l]

The combat is definitely better in Mass Effect 2, but I felt I got a lot more enjoyment out of ME1. I think it's the story, or how the world was portrayed. There were some redeeming features to ME2's world, however, and I think Bioware were going for a Blade-Runner-esque vibe; but it was almost, but not quite.

Anyway, I don't play games for how they play. I'm more interested at the story they tell, and for me, the story of ME2 just wasn't as strong as Mass Effect 1 (or any of Biowares' other work, for that matter), but I can see how the actual combat mechanics were vastly superior in the sequel.

Modifié par T1l, 15 février 2010 - 11:54 .

[greghorvath]

Tough question for me.



I played through ME about 6 times. I played through ME2 twice now and am very reluctant to starting a 3rd playthrough, while starting again was no question with the first game.



ME2 is great, but I definitely would not call most changes (e.g.the removed inventory, no planet exploration, new morality system etc.) an "improvement". It looks better, handles better, feels better than ME, but that game was special while this one is "just" (way) better than most.



ME2 leaves lots of room for improvement, which is great news for all of us eager to get ou hands on ME3.



We knew the story of ME2 was going to be mainly around building the team. That is exactly what it was about, so there really was no surprise about lack of story. At least not for me. But as such, ME2 for me is a wonderful prequel to a yet unknown game.

[Chief Savage Man]

Mass Effect had the bonus of introducing a fascinating universe that cannot be replicated. The combat was much better in Mass Effect 2. It's a tough call but I have say that ME2 edges out ME.

[mjs0066]

I like the the story of ME1 better.  It felt a little bit more epic and cohesive.  ME2 had a little bit too much focus on the characters, which by itself isn't a bad thing, but the actual segments that were supposed to be the main storyline kind of felt secondary to the character missions, making it feel much less urgent and epic than the first one.  That being said, I still think that ME2 has a great storyline and character development and compared to most other games is top notch.

As for the combat, I think they did a great job of revamping it in ME2.  I like the pace and feel of combat a lot more now and feel like each class really is a lot more unique.  The only things i think they need to work on for combat in part 3 are providing a few more unique abilities per class and fixing the talent system so you won't ever be left with extra points that you can't spend.  Overall though, I think the combat is huge improvement.

As for the presentation and immersion factors.  I like the presentation of ME2 better.  The graphics and areas you go to look amazing, but ME 1 was more immersive to me because there seemed to be a lot more interaction between non player characters and a little bit more area to explore in certain places (i miss being able to walk around the citadel presidium).  I'll call it a draw here.

As for customization.  I like the upgrade system from ME2 better in theory, but think they streamlined it a litle bit too much.  I would like for them to add more variation and more options for armor and weapons, both visually and in functionality.  I would also like to see some item drops added back to the game, even if only from bosses or as low percentage drops from random enemies.  

So as for which game i like better overall, i can't really say, they seemed to fix all my major complaints wih the first game, but in doing so also created some new problems that the first game didn't have.  I'm just hoping that for ME3 they can find that perfect balance and end up with one of the best games ever made.

[AlaskaForever]

Without a doubt, ME1. Much better story! After beating ME2 twice, I actually went back to play ME1 to compare. Not to say ME2 is a bad game, it's just not ME1

[kungfusam]

ME 2 is what the first one should have been, truly its own game and not just another generic Bioware RPG set in space



Not saying all Bioware game need to be like this, but its nice to see them make something unique every now and again

[Nozybidaj]

ME1 had Liara in it, so it is by default better.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 15 février 2010 - 02:02 .

[tg1413]

ME2 is a better game undoubtedly, but I just love the atmosphere and feel of ME1, and with the 100+ hours I sunk into it, I like it more. Although that may change once I've played that many hours of ME2.

[SithLordExarKun]

yoomazir wrote...



my mistake, this is is going way too serious, but I think that there's a fair amount of people who disagree how the way ME2 went and I really hope Bioware will correct this for ME3, the wishlist topic is a fair idea of what Bioware should do...

Whats the point? People are still going to be unhappy. The reason ME2 turned out the way it is because of these people giving feed back on the flaws on ME2 and are still whining despite the "improvements" made.

Personally i felt ME2 is a vastly superior game to the first one(not that it was bad but i twas horribly repetitive and lacks polish) and heres hoping that bioware would take the best of both ME1 and ME2 and put them into ME3.

[SurfaceBeneath]

I also like how ME2's story didn't spoon feed you every plot development and how the mission structure was basically a rip off of KOTOR. There was mystery behind every character and event (AND THE ILLUSIVE MAN) and more emotional involvement in any 1 of the 10 loyalty missions in ME2 (which all clocked in at an hour or less each) than each story mission of ME1 (which there were only 4 of clocking in at 2 hours each).



ME2 is subtle where ME1 is BOOM EPIC SPACE OPERA LOOK AT ME!!! Sorta like Kotor 1 and 2 actually. Kotor 1 was a much more "traditional" tale with "heroic" heroes and "evil" villains but when you get right down to it Kotor 2 had brains far beyond its predecessor in both character and plot.

[SithLordExarKun]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

I also like how ME2's story didn't spoon feed you every plot development and how the mission structure was basically a rip off of KOTOR. There was mystery behind every character and event (AND THE ILLUSIVE MAN) and more emotional involvement in any 1 of the 10 loyalty missions in ME2 (which all clocked in at an hour or less each) than each story mission of ME1 (which there were only 4 of clocking in at 2 hours each).

ME2 is subtle where ME1 is BOOM EPIC SPACE OPERA LOOK AT ME!!! Sorta like Kotor 1 and 2 actually. Kotor 1 was a much more "traditional" tale with "heroic" heroes and "evil" villains but when you get right down to it Kotor 2 had brains far beyond its predecessor in both character and plot.

Exactly my thoughts. ME2 was like bladerunner where everything wasn't so direct in your face down your throat.

[Gena Mafer]

The more I recollect on ME1 (and the less I am impressed by improved visuals), the lower my estimation of ME2 becomes.

ME2 has less filler and cant dialogue, no doubt-- and it looks better; but it is a gutted, truncated, and claustrophobic follow-up to the first game, one which glosses over serious problems in the guts of it with more spectacular visuals.  

ME1 was a flawed masterpiece; ME2 is not flawed in the same ways as the first game, but it is questionable if it is a masterpiece of epic scope and imagination, as the first one arguably was.

I played ME1 through probably three or four times.  I doubt ME2 will make it to a second.  And that's all that really needs to be said, imo.

Modifié par Gena Mafer, 15 février 2010 - 02:31 .

[Chief Savage Man]

ME2 forces you to read into a few things. Legion's inability to answer why he used the N7 armor piece blew me away. Could it be that the geth actually admire you? They feel emotion? Lots of questions raised by that three second sound clip. My mind is swimming in questions that ME2 has raised. An equally epic plot wouldn't have worked in ME2 mostly because it would be pretty much impossible to outdo THAT in the third one.

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

Mass Effect was awesome.

Mass Effect 2 was 2 times as awesome.

[Aurora_Nightwisp]

ME1

Both are good but ME1 was more rounded. The shooter aspect and streamlining went too far in ME2. I would have personally liked a more refined ME1. The complaints BW had about ME1 being the boring planet exploration, awkward inventory management and basic shooter elements only needed refining/improving upon really...but no they went from extreme to the other. Oh well...

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed ME2 but a lot of the time I kept feeling the game was trying too hard to be a shooter which diluted the whole experience.

[greghorvath]

I am new to the forums so this complaining about the inventory system came as a surprise to me. It was real plain and simple. You had 150 item slots. You go over that and you have to get rid of some. What is actually the problem?



The Mako WAS hard to handle, but hey, a little challenge never hurt noone...