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[Apostian]

On my second playthrough, I decided not to pursue any romance with the characters.  I wanted to see what the benefits of staying faithful to my ME1 sweetheart would be in ME3.  I noticed that all the characters are setup to be romanced, and that if you ever pick the option "I want to talk to you", it's basically saying I want to initiate the romance road.  The other talking options stay pretty much the same the entire game.   What annoyed me about this is there is no friendship level.  Either what you say gets taken as romantic (Jacob, for instance) or they just get mad at you outright (Jack).  Then I realized that there was virtually no point in talking to the characters after getting them and getting their personal missions.  So I found myself in my cabin feeding my fish, playing with my space hamster (meep!) and discovering the secret bathroom.  My Shepard felt like an outsider, unable to befriend anyone because it's either love or nothing.  Even Mordin got mad at me for talking to him, meanwhile im thinking "Wtf, he's funny, I just wanted to bull**** with him"

So then I go to start up the suicide mission and she goes up to her cabin to look at Liara's picture one last time.  It was terribly depressing.  It made me think that she was unable to connect to anyone this whole time and was truly alone.

In retrospect, I liked the conversation setup in ME1 a bit better.  I could talk to my squad after each mission and get their own unique perspective.  This one seemed to focus too much on the romance aspect, which you really don't see unless you try to fly solo.



Anyways, didn't want to complain too much, just figured I'd throw out my 2 cents.

[WilliamShatner]

There's a secret bathroom?

[binaryemperor]

WilliamShatner wrote...

There's a secret bathroom?

that response is more fail than Tl;DR

good man.

Modifié par binaryemperor, 12 février 2010 - 09:39 .

[Keltoris]

Binary is still learning the ropes methinks.



Yes William, it's on the other side of the alcove with the computer and models.



@ OP I agree. Except Mordin doesn't get mad. Unless you talk too much.

[TuringPoint]

FYI, Mordin's "Romance" dialogue is a total joke. It's meant to be funny. Mordin might not think he's being funny, but he is.



But yeah. Even the romance sequences aren't that great. Soo, they gave us loyalty missions at the expense of just being able to chat and learn about the teammates.

[grayfox4000]

Friendships are so overrated. You know if you don't like somebody you can just say your not interested and they will just be your friend. Everybody is lonely at some point and they need some love from a dashing commander whos saved the galaxy. What do you expect, them to not want to get into his or her pants? ROFL

[dissonance-zaon]

This is where Dragon Age got it so right with Alistair. I can't remember the last time I had a "bromance" in a game. Garrus seemed the same way in ME1 and 2 but ultimately feels unfinished. He's too busy with calibrations.

[Apostian]

dissonance-zaon wrote...

This is where Dragon Age got it so right with Alistair. I can't remember the last time I had a "bromance" in a game. Garrus seemed the same way in ME1 and 2 but ultimately feels unfinished. He's too busy with calibrations.

Exactly.  I enjoyed maintaining relastionships that didn't ultimately end in romance or rejection.

[Dellingr]

Apostian wrote...

dissonance-zaon wrote...

This is where Dragon Age got it so right with Alistair. I can't remember the last time I had a "bromance" in a game. Garrus seemed the same way in ME1 and 2 but ultimately feels unfinished. He's too busy with calibrations.

Exactly.  I enjoyed maintaining relastionships that didn't ultimately end in romance or rejection.

yeah, you still get the bromance vibe during his loyalty mission and in the occasional lines if you take him on missions but he clearly got neglected in terms of chatting on the ship, so did tali if you weren't romancing her or were a femshep

[grayfox4000]

Dellingr wrote...

Apostian wrote...

dissonance-zaon wrote...

This is where Dragon Age got it so right with Alistair. I can't remember the last time I had a "bromance" in a game. Garrus seemed the same way in ME1 and 2 but ultimately feels unfinished. He's too busy with calibrations.

Exactly.  I enjoyed maintaining relastionships that didn't ultimately end in romance or rejection.

yeah, you still get the bromance vibe during his loyalty mission and in the occasional lines if you take him on missions but he clearly got neglected in terms of chatting on the ship, so did tali if you weren't romancing her or were a femshep

How would you feel if you liked somebody alot and they just rejected you? I know how they feel. I don't blame them for acting that way after being rejected. I wouldn't want to talk to somebody so much after I found out they didn't like me kind of thing. It veries between person to person but these are aliens with different ideas of friendship and morals. Maybe liking them is their way of friendship. I'm ok with that, I'll jump right in to that kind of friendship anytime. I wouldn't mind the Tali love. I'd be a idiot not to be more then a friend to her. Even if she has a pred face, her personality is win, I wouldn't care. LOL

[Sigh_Blaise]

I agree. Femshep would have been happy to call it off with Kaiden after the way he acted, but since she didn't want sex with an alien and Jacob was a bit boring it would have been nice to hang out with the girls -- Miranda, Tali and Jack. But Miranda and Tali didn't want to speak to me and Jack just got plain nasty about it.

It would have been nice for femshep and Miranda to have a close friendship instead of a romance (she was my favourite!), maybe share a bottle of wine or something, but since they couldn't femshep spent her final night looking at the picture of the jackass she regretted keeping alive from ME1!

[Asheer_Khan]

Why i think devs got little scarred over backlash from "Liara's affair" from ME 1 so they create almost same fellings sterile enviroment as Obsidian in Kotor 2?.

And i agree whit OP that any interactions whit sqadmates are pointless because either there is romance triger risk or they simply tells you "Sorry i can't talk to you because i am very busy to clean already aseptic sterile thing or i write very important letter to nobody" stuff.
So my Shepard is alone on board of huge full of people ship...
I think Bioware really need to create DLC or expansion whit Pure Social interaction stuff.
Great example what is lack in ME 2 is paragon interaction between FemShep and Ashley in ME 1 where after couple conversations you learn her family background and you can change her view on Aliens  aspect since at the beginning she is same xenophobic as many humans.
Or skeaking past Tali's social firewalls endind whit Shepard's help her in ending of pilgimage
In ME 2 social interactions are like very rare oasis on huge desert and that's one of the hugest step back in Bioware made RPG games (aka Neverwinter Nights 1, Kotor 1, ME 1 (sorry i don't play yet DA'O so can't say how is there) and when ME 1 recived in this field 10/10 ME 2 hardly can recive 4 from me and that's made me little sad...

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 12 février 2010 - 12:00 .

[grayfox4000]

The 1st time I heard Ash's anti-alien BS I wanted the option to throw her out the airlock in FTL. LOL Or leave her back at the planet i got her sorry ass off of. I was overjoyed when I could send her to bomb herself to hell. I laughed out loud and pointed. :l

[Sapienti]

Lol thats got to be one of the saddest posts I've ever read.



But I agree to some degree. After a certain point the conversations end and it kinda sucks. I wish you were able to talk more, but I can probably understand that they were pressed with other dialogue and probably ran out of money or something. I'm sure they'll do it better in ME3. I want more comradery between squadmates dammit.

[Ajspeed]

Well i felt options to be abit more confusing this time round in ME1 you could choose between either the really angry and sort of near sighted ash or the Quiet but realyl intresting Liara and for some reason Tali was to busy with the engines so whats the point in trying to romance her. But now you have the really hot and some what obvious choice of Miranda, the hard to comprehend Jack or the strangley now available tali and i fetl it just seemed more confind then in Mass Effect because you have the choice of two humans or someone who cant take off there suit though it is funny juggling between them

[luk3us]

Yeah you don't really get to connect with the people on your squad in this game, which is sad. My poor Shep all alone in her room.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Apostian wrote...

dissonance-zaon wrote...

This is where Dragon Age got it so right with Alistair. I can't remember the last time I had a "bromance" in a game. Garrus seemed the same way in ME1 and 2 but ultimately feels unfinished. He's too busy with calibrations.

Exactly.  I enjoyed maintaining relastionships that didn't ultimately end in romance or rejection.

I agree. I couldn't help falling for Leliana, though. I wished conversations were more like DA:O.

[Keltoris]

Gotta say, commitedShepard's cutscene is quite sad.



Although, I wish they'd used a better picture of Liara.

[Kreidian]

 This is a huge problem throughout the game. All the people you recruit all these wonderful characters in the game. Even the "throwaway" characters you only meet during a single mission have amazing depth and personality and you can't wait to learn more about them.

But short of screwing around with somebody, you rarely get to really know your own damn squad members. You'll get like three conversations out of them, plus their loyalty mission, and suddenly that's it, they have nothing to say to you nothing to talk about. You can save the galaxy ( again ) from the collectors, and they'll give you a small blurb about it, then right back to completely ignoring you.

So much better the way it was done in ME1 where you could spend a long time talking to everyone of your crew if you wanted to. They always had something to say and you got to know them a bit more every time you spoke. It was, you know, like you would expect after spending weeks together on a ship. 

Instead people just stop talking to you. I felt just as close with the two Engineers than any of the other recruits. At least I shared a nice poker game with them and Tali. Indeed, Tali and Garrus are the only exception here and that was only because I already got to know them so well in the original. Even then I got so gaddam sick and tired of them being too damn busy to talk to me. Seriously you two, the engines are fine, the guns are calibrated, STOP Working, Sit down, and TALK to me!

*breathe* ahem, anyway, you get the idea.

[AngryFrozenWater]

VanguardOfDestruction wrote...

Well, not all characters are even romancable. you can still deeply pursure friendship with people like Mordin(who sings!), Grunt, and Samara. Those are the only people you cant romance, right?

FemShep can have a relatively proper conversation with Miranda. But if you have played DA:O then it is still rather short in comparison.

[Asheer_Khan]

grayfox4000 wrote...

The 1st time I heard Ash's anti-alien BS I wanted the option to throw her out the airlock in FTL. LOL Or leave her back at the planet i got her sorry ass off of. I was overjoyed when I could send her to bomb herself to hell. I laughed out loud and pointed. :l

If you really pay attention to ME 1 background you could be very surprised that Ash was not unique whit her alien xenophoby aproach.
Heck first dialouge after game start whit Pressly show him same if not bigger xenophobe as Ash (by the way his datapad founded on Normandy crash side show this very well).

In fact after spending some time whit her i found her as pretty good character and pro-aliens covertable, but (ME 1 Ash hate threads show that pretty good) many todays players simply lack of patience to learn her inside (same whit Tali's dialouge options in ME 1) but maybe i am old school gamer after all...

Only character i couldn't stand in ME 1 was Kaidan (too much tainted by Carth shadow which was hard to bear for me  in Kotor ) and that's why he replaced Ash as KIA on Virmire even as i play as FemShepard.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I really enjoyed Legion. Too bad he got into the game rather late.