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Canderous87 wrote...

He should have just overdosed comotose Shepherd with narcotics and stole a ship. Why go through the trouble of converting the mechs? Hell why did Wilson even pull this random treachery AFTER working on Shepherd for 2 years? I never understood this.



I can't believe i'm posting this OBVIOUS answer,.....................It wasn't until after word got out, that Shepards' alive!!!
HERE'S the obvious part,.....................then somebody paid him off?

Sherlocks everywhere and everyone's clueless.

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Palpatine77 wrote...
I was thinking, even while playing the game the first time, that Wilson shot himself in the leg to make it appear the robots shot him, thereby making himself above suspicion. Never mind, of course, that there were no robot bodies nearby that could've shot him....

Oh, and by the way, congrats on being drunk! Image IPBGood times!  


Exactly! I didn't really become suspect anything until I think Jacob said something about how do we know Wilson isn't the trader and the way her said 'Well I got shot in the leg! How do you explain that!'

And Canderous the reason why Wilson went through all that trouble is...

If You Work For Cerberus, and you Secretly Kill a Project they've already invested 4-6 Billion Dollars in and then you 'disapear'... They are going to know it was you, and they will find you and experiment on you AKUZE Style.

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or that he didn't have anything to do with it at all, that the whole intro section was an elaborate training exercise set up by Miranda/TIM to test shepherds restored functionality. This is cerberus we are talking about. The "wilson was a traitor" was simply a way to pass off the incident as someone else's fault and prevent shepherd from going postal on their asses. Who knows. Guess we'll find out it in ME3.

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Why would Shepard go... 'Postal' on their asses? (I assume 'they' of their is TIM (who Shepard [and no one] never knows where he is) and Miranda is just too beautiful to do anything but admire... I mean LOOK At her Graphic Butt!




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I think it's logical he wanted to sell him to The Shadow Broker, since as we've learnt by now from Mass Effect: Redemption, SB wants to sell his body to the Collecters and Wilson would probally get alot of money giving it to him.

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Umm ok ive got nothing hes a bloody idiot who desevered his tasty shot to the face

He got shot in the neck though. Open casket funeral, but hella more painful.

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harrier25699 wrote...

or that he didn't have anything to do with it at all, that the whole intro section was an elaborate training exercise set up by Miranda/TIM to test shepherds restored functionality. This is cerberus we are talking about. The "wilson was a traitor" was simply a way to pass off the incident as someone else's fault and prevent shepherd from going postal on their asses. Who knows. Guess we'll find out it in ME3.


This has been my theory all along. Posted it in a few other Wilson threads.

To believe Wilson was really the culprit, these things would have to be true:

1. Wilson was such an unbelievable brilliant hacker that he could get past TIM and Cerberus security to get that outside offer without them realizing. Yet was so stupid he didn't program the mechs not to shoot him or enter the room he was in.

2. Miranda who, by her own words is 'Never wrong' somehow didn't notice that Wilson was a mole at any point during the last two years or that he had such amazing hacking skills. We'd also have to believe she'd leave armor & a gun next to a person who wiped out multiple Cerberus bases, and not have him restrained in any way. Good plan!

For someone who never makes mistakes and is always in control, she seemed to make quite a number of them. Yet doesn't seem to be at all concerned about that.  Extremely fishy.

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Canderous87 wrote...

He should have just overdosed comotose Shepherd with narcotics and stole a ship. Why go through the trouble of converting the mechs? Hell why did Wilson even pull this random treachery AFTER working on Shepherd for 2 years? I never understood this.


He did try to sabotage Shepard. That was the whole, waking up early thing, right? If Miranda hadn't been there...

Modifié par November Cousland, 13 février 2010 - 09:46 .


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November Cousland wrote...

Canderous87 wrote...

He should have just overdosed comotose Shepherd with narcotics and stole a ship. Why go through the trouble of converting the mechs? Hell why did Wilson even pull this random treachery AFTER working on Shepherd for 2 years? I never understood this.


He did try to sabotage Shepard. That was the whole, waking up early thing, right? If Miranda hadn't been there...

If you listen to some of the logs throughout the tutorial mission, Wilson appears jealous that so much money is going into the project yet he's not getting a very big paycheck. He did it for the lulz, the Shadow Broker's ****, and the Jew Golds.

Modifié par DrathanGervaise, 13 février 2010 - 09:50 .


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Cutlass Jack wrote...

This has been my theory all along. Posted it in a few other Wilson threads.

To believe Wilson was really the culprit, these things would have to be true:

1. Wilson was such an unbelievable brilliant hacker that he could get past TIM and Cerberus security to get that outside offer without them realizing. Yet was so stupid he didn't program the mechs not to shoot him or enter the room he was in.

2. Miranda who, by her own words is 'Never wrong' somehow didn't notice that Wilson was a mole at any point during the last two years or that he had such amazing hacking skills. We'd also have to believe she'd leave armor & a gun next to a person who wiped out multiple Cerberus bases, and not have him restrained in any way. Good plan!

For someone who never makes mistakes and is always in control, she seemed to make quite a number of them. Yet doesn't seem to be at all concerned about that.  Extremely fishy.



Problem with Number 1 - Wilson doesn't get shot until he realizes that Shepard is still alive. (After Wilson Says, 'Shepard's Alive?' he then 'gets attacked by mechs')  Now when you walk into the room where Wilson is, there are absolutely no mechs at all in the room, yet he can't move without you giving him Medi-Gel. He does have a Pistol though, which he could have shot himself with.

Problem with Number 2 - You ASSUME he is a 'mole'... meaning from the begining he is hired by the SB or Collectors to kill or get Shepard's body. This more then likely isn't the case. What is more likely is that he is loyal to Cerberus, but sees all this money going down an infinite tube and becomes jaded and displeased with his paycheck and then either apporachs a 3rd party (or is appraoched by a 3rd party). Now I will admit that it would be hard to hide messages or get info in and out of the Cerberus Compound without TIM seeing it, however you would have to assume that with 2 Years they must have taken 'breaks' or sabaticles where these talks may have happened.

And Again I have to say that when the Mechs come in on Shepard in the first room, to me that says Wilson sent them to kill an unarmed Shepard, hence Wilson's surprise when he learns "Shepard's ALIVE?!' (and you can't say he is surprised Shepard is alive and the Lazerus Project worked, because he had already seen Shepard Alive when  Shepard came too for a short amount of time.)


Half the People on these boards must all be Conspericy Theorists because everyone thinks everyone else is a Traitor, or the Shadow Broker, or Ketchup Stains.

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TheBRADLeyB wrote...

Problem with Number 1 - Wilson doesn't get shot until he realizes that Shepard is still alive. (After Wilson Says, 'Shepard's Alive?' he then 'gets attacked by mechs')  Now when you walk into the room where Wilson is, there are absolutely no mechs at all in the room, yet he can't move without you giving him Medi-Gel. He does have a Pistol though, which he could have shot himself with.

Totally self-inflicted.  Notice the absense of any mech or mech parts in the room where he's hiding.

I expect he was planning to retrieve Shepard's body after the mechs had killed everyone, then blow up the station to cover his tracks.  Once he discovered that Shep was alive, he doubtless shot himself in the leg to throw off suspicion, and changed his plan to escaping with Shepard to give himself an opportunity to shoot Shepard in the back at his later convenience.

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What's with everyone thinking he's working for the shadow broker? I think being an Alliance agent is just as plausible.

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Exactly Durasteel!

That's Using Your Noggin!... I don't really understand why everyone wants Miranda and TIM to have had this big 'set up' to get Shepard Awake (ahead of when they thought he was ready). Wouldn't make sense to me at all.


(I suppose he could have worked for the Alliance, but to me it wouldn't fit because you'd think the alliance would be stingy on the money to pay him off, but who knows.)

Modifié par TheBRADLeyB, 14 février 2010 - 01:57 .


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My theory is that he was simply tasked with killing Shepard pretty much right at the end of the project. That would explain why he didn't sabatoge him during the two years. And it would explain why he didn't tamper with Shepard's body near the end; everything would be recorded and logged, he wouldn't get away.

Plus the chaos of mech attack would allow him to escape; I can imagine on that facility, no one came or left without permission.

Modifié par sergio71785, 14 février 2010 - 01:59 .


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You know it occurs to me, that all these theories might be
part right. I've got a crazy idea to add to the mix here.



The Shadow Broker/Collectors know that Cerberus has Shepard and intend to
revive him/her.



Cerberus knows that it has to take every precaution to keep the extremely
vulnerable and fragile Shepard out of harm’s way until they can patch him/her
up.



So, TIM decides that everyone that is hired to be on this project will be very
well compensated and in return, they cannot leave until the project is done to
ensure the secrecy of the base is maintained, i.e. until Shepard has died
beyond recovery or been completely recovered. While this is an excellent idea
to most people at first(say they get 5 million credits for signing up for a few
months and some clause about getting more for their families if it takes longer
than predicted), it ends up taking a lot more time than they originally
thought. Mechs and heavy Mechs are added to the security detail to both keep
costs down and to give the base 24 hour defenders if it comes to that.



Wilson becomes dissatisfied with his not-so-meager earnings when he learns of
the overall budget and when he considers the fact that he just brought someone
back from the dead, he believes he should be given more money. In his mind, he
was integral to the project and they couldn't have done it without him. This
may or may not be true considering Wilson had to reassure Miranda that
Shepard's body was still salvageable despite being in far worse condition than
they anticipated.



This whole time, the Shadow Broker/Collectors still want Shepard's body, or
absolute proof that he/she is completely dead instead of mostly dead. Cerberus
is well guarded against leaks, but there are a few weak links and they learn
that there is a secret facility somewhere that Shepard's body is being kept in.
Due to the fact that Cerberus isn't exactly brimming with soldier members, most
of the substantial security forces are discovered to be mechs. While they can't
find and infiltrate the base itself unless someone comes to them from the
inside, they can try to find a way to affect the base from the outside.



To this end, they make the virus that makes all the mechs and that space
station VI go crazy and try to kill all humans. Unfortunately they can't deploy
it as is for whatever reason, most likely that in order for the virus to
spread, the mechs or a person has to physically infect the other system. So
they hold on to the virus, and they wait.



Meanwhile, with Shepard's body, Wilson wants more credit from Miranda as to his
importance in the project, so he can get a bigger cut of the budget, or because
he is attracted to her, or whatever. So he stages a small glitch in Shepard's
meds so he can swoop in and save the day. Unfortunately Miranda is right there
to correct him before his ploy can do any lasting damage. Angry and frustrated,
he turns to outside channels against his contract with TIM to find a way to
make himself seem more impressive.



This is where either him being set up or him being a mole can come into play.



If he was set up, the Shadow Broker saw the opening in security and used it to
send over the virus. Wilson is near Shepard when the Mechs start to go crazy,
he panics and leaves a helpless Shepard to fend for himself while he tries to
save his own life. On his way to the shuttles, he ends up finding out it was
his fault and he knows that he has to get off the station before TIM or Miranda
find out. He tries to head to the shuttles, but ends up being stuck in the room
the mechs are controlled in. He radios for help, learns that Shepard (who
everyone on the station was supposed to defend with their lives should the
situation arise) is still alive and headed his way. Knowing how bad this looks,
he shoots himself and makes up a story about why he was there. Then he finds
out that Miranda is alive and she is PISSED. He tries to get to the shuttles
before her to save his own life, but that obviously fails.



If he was the mole, the Shadow Broker gave him the virus, and told him to
simply plug an infected OSD into the mech's control center during a shift
change when defenses are weakest. Then he is supposed to escape as the only
survivor and pass along the location of the base so the Collector's can clean
it out while TIM is getting his report from Wilson. So, he does this, making
sure that most of the mechs head toward where Miranda should be, since she
would be the most capable of stopping the plan. When he radios to see if there
are survivors, it turns out that Shepard is alive and heading his way. He
doesn't have the technical ability to do much beyond telling the mechs to go to
a certain place to shut down (shooting all humans along the way) so he can't
reprogram them to not shoot at him. He panics, shoots himself, learns about
Miranda, and tries to get Shepard to the shuttle, where he can just cut out
reporting to TIM and collect and even larger bounty with Shepard's corpse. It
doesn't work out that way.

These theories only hold if Wilson's motivation was from feeling underpaid or underappreciated though, not if he was attracted to Miranda. Anyways, that's my new convoluted thoughts on this conspiracy. The actual truth is probably a lot simpler than this. Wild mass guessing is fun though.

Edit: Freaky formatting errors.

Modifié par sniper1250, 14 février 2010 - 02:36 .


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My bet:

Wilson was ordered to do this by the Illusive Man, as a way to "force" / encourage Shepard to trust Cerebus.

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Satanic Hamster wrote...

My bet:
Wilson was ordered to do this by the Illusive Man, as a way to "force" / encourage Shepard to trust Cerebus.


NO! Because There is Absolutely NO REASON for Cerberus to do this.

Wilson's Betrayal has NOTHING, I repeat  NOTHING to do with whether he 'Trusts' Cerberus or not, infact through out the whole game your Shepard can talk about how he doesn't Trust TIM or Cerberus.

I'm sorry but there is absolutely NO Reason for Cerberus to 'Fake' and Attack and Betrayal on the Station. That's just retarded. Infact Cerberus having a Traitor within their ranks, and then killing him without even asking a question makes the Organization seem Untrustworthy even of itself.

Additionally if it was all just a elaborate scheme  by TIM, Wilson wouldn't have shot himself in the leg or insisted Miranda was Dead trying to Leave her for Death.

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TheBRADLeyB wrote...

Problem with Number 1 - Wilson doesn't get shot until he realizes that Shepard is still alive. (After Wilson Says, 'Shepard's Alive?' he then 'gets attacked by mechs')  Now when you walk into the room where Wilson is, there are absolutely no mechs at all in the room, yet he can't move without you giving him Medi-Gel. He does have a Pistol though, which he could have shot himself with.


I take it you didn't notice all the mechs rushing in the room shooting at everyone once you bandage him? I wasn't talking about the leg wound. There's plenty of direct evidence after that to prove the mechs were just as hostile to him.

There is only one person on that station who we didn't see Mechs firing at, and it wasn't Him.

Problem with Number 2 - You ASSUME he is a 'mole'... meaning from the begining he is hired by the SB or Collectors to kill or get Shepard's body. This more then likely isn't the case. What is more likely is that he is loyal to Cerberus, but sees all this money going down an infinite tube and becomes jaded and displeased with his paycheck and then either apporachs a 3rd party (or is appraoched by a 3rd party). Now I will admit that it would be hard to hide messages or get info in and out of the Cerberus Compound without TIM seeing it, however you would have to assume that with 2 Years they must have taken 'breaks' or sabaticles where these talks may have happened.


If one were to believe the 'disgruntled Wilson' theory from what scant info can be gleaned on his logs, it would have happened near the end of that time period. He was clearly very happy about the project's success by his own words. But really that project was far too important to TIM that he would let people take unsupervised leaves. You don't pour billions into a top secret project without having the best security. Especially where the top doctor on the project is concerned.

And I don't assume he's a mole. Thats the entire point. Its too big a stretch.

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TheBRADLeyB wrote...

Satanic Hamster wrote...

My bet:
Wilson was ordered to do this by the Illusive Man, as a way to "force" / encourage Shepard to trust Cerebus.


NO! Because There is Absolutely NO REASON for Cerberus to do this.

Wilson's Betrayal has NOTHING, I repeat  NOTHING to do with whether he 'Trusts' Cerberus or not, infact through out the whole game your Shepard can talk about how he doesn't Trust TIM or Cerberus.

I'm sorry but there is absolutely NO Reason for Cerberus to 'Fake' and Attack and Betrayal on the Station. That's just retarded. Infact Cerberus having a Traitor within their ranks, and then killing him without even asking a question makes the Organization seem Untrustworthy even of itself.

Additionally if it was all just a elaborate scheme  by TIM, Wilson wouldn't have shot himself in the leg or insisted Miranda was Dead trying to Leave her for Death.



No reason? You must have missed Cerberus' history of 'cleansing' old projects. Mentioned many times in the game. And you're assuming Wilson shot himself in the leg. We'll never know if he did or not.

So why did they leave armor and a weapon within easy reach of a man who personally took down multiple Cerberus cells in the past? And why wasn't he restrained? That's a supreme lack of judgement on Miranda's part. If anything is 'retarded' its that.