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[Mondo47]

A lot of gamers are male, and they perfer their in-game love interests to be passive, adoring and/or conventional. Less challenging to their ego

Joking aside, I thought Jack was just fine. I found her personality more interesting than her looks, but they certainly didn't interfere... her outfit was less embarassing than Miranda's, and she didn't have a goldfishbowl on her head.

[Rilokin]

First play through on Normal I didn't care for Jack to much. Second play through on Hardcore, I found having all the biotic upgrades, and her upgraded, her biotic powers seem to land more than my other teammates. Most teammates if they aren't down into health they don't do anything, but jacks will land a good bit. I guess it could be my imagination since I have stuck to Jack the last 4-5 missions, and not given anyone else a turn.



She has a troubled history that would mess up anyone, give her a chance, she is quite helpful on missions with her strong biotics.



In me3 I would like to see her with some hair though.

[Skavau]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Really  not recruiting a Justicar ... who are more elite than Asari Commandos.... *Sits down*  I'm all ears  on this I wanted  the logic behind this. 

So why should you not be Recruiting Samara?  

Because there's no guarantee she'd let you live for being a part of Cerberus. It is almost like the Illusive Man asking you to recruit Lemm'Shal from Ascension.

Of course, when you turn up you learn that Bioware have butchered a plausible concept of a 'code' and run so many loopholes through it that Samara deems it acceptable, at times to kill cops for rightly doing their job - you learn that for her, 'anything is possible'.

Modifié par Skavau, 12 février 2010 - 03:17 .

[Cutlass Jack]

If I were so shallow that Hair would improve my relationships, I'd just go with Miranda.

Jack's a great character despite her look, not because of it. Getting past the look, attitude, and hostility to find the heart of her is what makes her one of the top romances of the game.

That said, I wouldn't find it terribly amis if Jack changed her appearance in ME3. I'd love to see her evolve around two different paths visually. One if she went the paragon relationship, the other if she didn't. It would be overly priceless if at the very least she hid a tattoo of your name somewhere on her body where she didn't think you'd notice it.

But it would even be funnier if Shepard woke up with a Tramp Stamp.

[Jake71887]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Bah where did you get that from?? And its incorrect, Jack isnt a strong woman. A strong woman wouldnt whine all the time and try to make themselves the victim(thats how teenagers act), even when showed that they are incorrect.

Ash is a strong woman, and I had no problem with her.

Im not sure that you know what a "strong woman" really is. A strong woman is a woman thats not subservient to men and is equal with them in all things. Thats it.

Defensive much? A lot of people here complain about her being too manly, too vulgar, too rough around the edges, etc etc... Just comes off as people wanting some "princess"

And I don't think YOU know what a strong woman means, considering it's broad and encompasses more than two things. <_<

[nitefyre410]

Skavau wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Really  not recruiting a Justicar ... who are more elite than Asari Commandos.... *Sits down*  I'm all ears  on this I wanted  the logic behind this. 

So why should you not be Recruiting Samara?  

Because there's no guarantee she'd let you live for being a part of Cerberus. It is almost like the Illusive Man asking you to recruit Lemm'Shal from Ascension.

Of course, when you turn up you learn that Bioware have butchered a plausible concept of a 'code' and run so many loopholes through it that Samara deems it acceptable, at times to kill cops for rightly doing their job - you learn that for her, 'anything is possible'.

 

Sound logic except for one thing... Justicars are drown to noble causes ... So   sutra of the code that would have going after you for working for Cerberus is over ridden by the  sutra that  says she  should fight for a noble cause.  I.E  stopping the Collectors 
Afterwards  you don't work for Cerberus anymore so she has no need to hunt them... the point being that Code has over 5000 sutras  I'm pretty sure that any chance of her having to kill you is over ridden by a sutra unless you do something stupid like blow up a school full of Krogan children.  

[Foop DK]

Skavau wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Really  not recruiting a Justicar ... who are more elite than Asari Commandos.... *Sits down*  I'm all ears  on this I wanted  the logic behind this. 

So why should you not be Recruiting Samara?  

Because there's no guarantee she'd let you live for being a part of Cerberus. It is almost like the Illusive Man asking you to recruit Lemm'Shal from Ascension.

Of course, when you turn up you learn that Bioware have butchered a plausible concept of a 'code' and run so many loopholes through it that Samara deems it acceptable, at times to kill cops for rightly doing their job - you learn that for her, 'anything is possible'.

Samara swears an Oath to you, essentially making her your slave, she will do ANYTHING you ask, but as she says herself, if you ask her to do something thats against her code, she will have to kill you once your mission is done.

[Roninraver]

nitefyre410 wrote...

 Right but  you should have  known is it was a front. No matter how badass we make ourselves everyone is soft  on the inside.    

I see your point it was a bit of a Rick Roll... one I saw coming but still a Rick Roll  

I saw it coming too, which I addressed in my post.  The point I was trying to make was that it wasn't her looks or attitude (at first) that turned me away from her, it was the predictable 180degree flip in her attitude (Paragon romance) that did it.  I have an intense dislike for feigned badassery, and Jack is chock-full of it.  I also have a dislike for the intense eyelash batting common to those with Damsel In Distress Syndrome.

It makes for good characterization in the eyes of some, and there's nothing inherently wrong with it, but it's just not to my tastes.  I like real strength, which is abundantly present in several of ME's characters so I can't really complain.  Jack is for those that like to find the chewy center of the Tootsie-Pop after getting through all those layers of hard candy.  I just like hard candy all the way through.

[Skavau]

Foop DK wrote...
Samara swears an Oath to you, essentially making her your slave, she will do ANYTHING you ask, but as she says herself, if you ask her to do something thats against her code, she will have to kill you once your mission is done.

Correct. She does.

Which is a ridiculous loophole in such a stringent black and white code of justice. So much for space paladin.

[nitefyre410]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Skavau wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

For the first part, you're fetching a powerful biotic(Hello, you're looking for the best) who hates cerberus; but the mission is for humanity and in your control, not cerberus.
And the second part is just kind of childish. 

Looking for the best, sure. But the Illusive Man gave you the dossier on this. It was not a chance find.

By the way, I think the idea of him deciding you should recruit a Justicar also makes as little sense.

 

Really  not recruiting a Justicar ... who are more elite than Asari Commandos.... *Sits down*  I'm all ears  on this I wanted  the logic behind this. 

So why should you not be Recruiting Samara?  

Renegade Shepard, recruiting a person that kills people for breaking the law no matter the justification or reason

A person who actually tells you that after the mission is over she'll have to kill you.

Atleast I was alowed to get rid of her and take morith instead, but theres no such option with jack.

 

Your under the assumption that the law Renegade Shepherd is  breaking matches up with the Code of the Justicar. remember they make they're own  law. 

[Skavau]

nitefyre410 wrote...Sound logic except for one thing... Justicars are drown to noble causes ... So   sutra of the code that would have going after you for working for Cerberus is over ridden by the  sutra that  says she  should fight for a noble cause.  I.E  stopping the Collectors

She, like everyone else just automatically takes your word that the Collectors are on the verge of genociding human colonies and possibly earth. It is a poor design of a rule-based objective framework. We know how pointlessly utlitarian and "end justifies the means" it is when she says she will rampage and kill a load of innocent cops because her personal, and at current time unstated investigation is more important than their lives.

Afterwards  you don't work for Cerberus anymore so she has no need to hunt them... the point being that Code has over 5000 sutras  I'm pretty sure that any chance of her having to kill you is over ridden by a sutra unless you do something stupid like blow up a school full of Krogan children. 

Actually, we have no idea if you do or not work for Cerberus anymore really. You might ignore TIM's plans (or you may not) but that doesn't mean there's no chance for reconciliation.

[nitefyre410]

Roninraver wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

 Right but  you should have  known is it was a front. No matter how badass we make ourselves everyone is soft  on the inside.    

I see your point it was a bit of a Rick Roll... one I saw coming but still a Rick Roll  

I saw it coming too, which I addressed in my post.  The point I was trying to make was that it wasn't her looks or attitude (at first) that turned me away from her, it was the predictable 180degree flip in her attitude (Paragon romance) that did it.  I have an intense dislike for feigned badassery, and Jack is chock-full of it.  I also have a dislike for the intense eyelash batting common to those with Damsel In Distress Syndrome.

It makes for good characterization in the eyes of some, and there's nothing inherently wrong with it, but it's just not to my tastes.  I like real strength, which is abundantly present in several of ME's characters so I can't really complain.  Jack is for those that like to find the chewy center of the Tootsie-Pop after getting through all those layers of hard candy.  I just like hard candy all the way through.

 


Well Can't  debate a guy that has Wrex as his Avatar  about the difference in Hard candy and hard candy with a chewie center.  and what he wants... 

[Jake71887]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Bah where did you get that from?? And its incorrect, Jack isnt a strong woman. A strong woman wouldnt whine all the time and try to make themselves the victim(thats how teenagers act), even when showed that they are incorrect.

Ash is a strong woman, and I had no problem with her.

Im not sure that you know what a "strong woman" really is. A strong woman is a woman thats not subservient to men and is equal with them in all things. Thats it.

Defensive much? A lot of people here complain about her being too manly, too vulgar, too rough around the edges, etc etc... Just comes off as people wanting some "princess"

And I don't think YOU know what a strong woman means, considering it's broad and encompasses more than two things. <_<

Hypocrite

You sound defensive, your whole post is defensive.

And please tell what other things make a strong woman that DONT tie in with those 2 things I said.

Calling you out for being defensive, and me being defensive, wouldn't make me a hypocrite. 

And other things that could mean a woman was strong? I dunno, going through torture, rape, betrayal, and coming out with just a bad attitude and a foul mouth.
How about being a single mother, sacrificing her own wants to support her children.
There are lots of instances where women are strong, and you narrow and naive view of the fairer sex is really sad. 

[Skavau]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...No she swears the oath for the mission, after the mission is over the oath is done and you're screwd.

The very existence of that get-out-of-jail oath is ridiculous. That is my point.

You would think someone of such a righteous standing would see the flaws in it.

[adriano_c]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Im not sure that you know what a "strong woman" really is. A strong woman is a woman thats not subservient to men and is equal with them in all things. Thats it.

Actually, the implication of your definition is that women (minus the 'strong') are subservient subordinates to men.

Hardly the case...so, I'm going to have to say a "strong woman" is more than what you claim it is.

[ComTrav]

Skavau wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...No she swears the oath for the mission, after the mission is over the oath is done and you're screwd.

The very existence of that get-out-of-jail oath is ridiculous. That is my point.

You would think someone of such a righteous standing would see the flaws in it.

You're applying human logic to an alien culture.

[Foop DK]

Jake71887 wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Bah where did you get that from?? And its incorrect, Jack isnt a strong woman. A strong woman wouldnt whine all the time and try to make themselves the victim(thats how teenagers act), even when showed that they are incorrect.

Ash is a strong woman, and I had no problem with her.

Im not sure that you know what a "strong woman" really is. A strong woman is a woman thats not subservient to men and is equal with them in all things. Thats it.

My idea of a strong "woman": http://www.hantelpar...bodybuilder.gif

Defensive much? A lot of people here complain about her being too manly, too vulgar, too rough around the edges, etc etc... Just comes off as people wanting some "princess"

And I don't think YOU know what a strong woman means, considering it's broad and encompasses more than two things. <_<

Hypocrite

You sound defensive, your whole post is defensive.

And please tell what other things make a strong woman that DONT tie in with those 2 things I said.

Calling you out for being defensive, and me being defensive, wouldn't make me a hypocrite. 

And other things that could mean a woman was strong? I dunno, going through torture, rape, betrayal, and coming out with just a bad attitude and a foul mouth.
How about being a single mother, sacrificing her own wants to support her children.
There are lots of instances where women are strong, and you narrow and naive view of the fairer sex is really sad. 

My idea of a strong "woman": http://www.hantelpar...odybuilder.gifm

Modifié par Foop DK, 12 février 2010 - 03:37 .

[Skavau]

ComTrav wrote...

You're applying human logic to an alien culture.

Of course I am. What other point of framework do I have, precisely? Are there some avaliable real life alien cultures that justify such an inept concept?

When these alien cultures were thought up, human cultures and species (biology-wise) were the only point of reference the developers had. We, naturally criticise from the same position..

[Jake71887]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Well the things that Strong women have only existed for about 80 some years, before that they were subservient to men ( it was the law)

Now a days women are equal to to men in the eyes of the law(in some contries), but some still act subservient to them. And as such I couldnt say that all women are equal to men all the time because its not true. Go to Haiti, where alot of women are slaves and tell me that they are equal to the men.

Wow, you really need to brush up on your history man...