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[Railstay]

Didn't mind the hair.



Her over-the-top tattoos, corny attitude (that line from her trailer made me embarrassed just hearing it) and nipple guards made it difficult for me to take her seriously.



If she had a shirt on and her tattoos were a lot more toned down, with less awful dialogue, I probably would've enjoyed her a lot more. Hey, I'm one of the most dangerous convicts in the galaxy! You know what would be really, really intelligent? If I shaved my head, covered my body in distinct tattoos and ran around with no shirt so I can be clearly identified everywhere I go!

[Roninraver]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Hypocrite

You sound defensive, your whole post is defensive.

And please tell what other things make a strong woman that DONT tie in with those 2 things I said.

There are many types of strength, Korphaeron, and many ways to measure strength.  The two qualifiers you specified, 1.)  Not being subservient to men, 2.) Equal to them in all things, are not metrics of strength.

You seem to be confusing feminism/sexual equality with strength, and I believe you do this because they are indeed ASSOCIATED with the ideal of a strong woman, but they are not what MAKE a woman strong.  What makes a woman strong you ask?   The same things that make a man strong, of course.  Strength has nothing to do with gender, and it is no more common to find a strong man than it is to find a strong woman.

Not compromising your ideals in the face of intense pressure from without, is a measure of strength.  Gritting your teeth and bearing your hardships, while not collapsing into that void of self-pity that we always seem to teeter on the edge of, is a measure of strength.

There are many others of course, and again there are different types of strength.  However I think the two above will suffice in hopefully helping you to reconsider what makes a "strong woman."  If in your reconsiderations you begin to notice that the things that make a woman strong are strikingly similar to what make a man strong, you're on the right track. 

[Jake71887]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Well the things that Strong women have only existed for about 80 some years, before that they were subservient to men ( it was the law)

Now a days women are equal to to men in the eyes of the law(in some contries), but some still act subservient to them. And as such I couldnt say that all women are equal to men all the time because its not true. Go to Haiti, where alot of women are slaves and tell me that they are equal to the men.

Wow, you really need to brush up on your history man... 

I love these type of posts

The ones that dont really mean anything.

Hmmm, I thought the meaning was rather clear, allow me to grab my crayon for you then...

You need to brush up on your history, because you either were not taught well, or have a selective memory...
I'm just going to simplify this by pointing to women in power, rather than pointing out how individual every day women have been strong for centuries.  Cleopatra you've probably heard of, I hope, Queen Elizabeth, Joan of Ark... I feel cliche naming them, but you're just about dumb enough to not recognize much else. <_<

[nitefyre410]

 

Roninraver wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Hypocrite

You sound defensive, your whole post is defensive.

And please tell what other things make a strong woman that DONT tie in with those 2 things I said.

There are many types of strength, Korphaeron, and many ways to measure strength.  The two qualifiers you specified, 1.)  Not being subservient to men, 2.) Equal to them in all things, are not metrics of strength.

You seem to be confusing feminism/sexual equality with strength, and I believe you do this because they are indeed ASSOCIATED with the ideal of a strong woman, but they are not what MAKE a woman strong.  What makes a woman strong you ask?   The same things that make a man strong, of course.  Strength has nothing to do with gender, and it is no more common to find a strong man than it is to find a strong woman.

Not compromising your ideals in the face of intense pressure from without, is a measure of strength.  Gritting your teeth and bearing your hardships, while not collapsing into that void of self-pity that we always seem to teeter on the edge of, is a measure of strength.

There are many others of course, and again there are different types of strength.  However I think the two above will suffice in hopefully helping you to reconsider what makes a "strong woman."  If in your reconsiderations you begin to notice that the things that make a woman strong are strikingly similar to what make a man strong, you're on the right track. 

 

/agree   you sir are  gentlemen and  scholar 

Of course there is a strength in giving oneself completely over to a cause as well but that is talk for another time and place..

[adriano_c]

Roninraver wrote...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Hypocrite

You sound defensive, your whole post is defensive.

And please tell what other things make a strong woman that DONT tie in with those 2 things I said.

There are many types of strength, Korphaeron, and many ways to measure strength.  The two qualifiers you specified, 1.)  Not being subservient to men, 2.) Equal to them in all things, are not metrics of strength.

You seem to be confusing feminism/sexual equality with strength, and I believe you do this because they are indeed ASSOCIATED with the ideal of a strong woman, but they are not what MAKE a woman strong.  What makes a woman strong you ask?   The same things that make a man strong, of course.  Strength has nothing to do with gender, and it is no more common to find a strong man than it is to find a strong woman.

Not compromising your ideals in the face of intense pressure from without, is a measure of strength.  Gritting your teeth and bearing your hardships, while not collapsing into that void of self-pity that we always seem to teeter on the edge of, is a measure of strength.

There are many others of course, and again there are different types of strength.  However I think the two above will suffice in hopefully helping you to reconsider what makes a "strong woman."  If in your reconsiderations you begin to notice that the things that make a woman strong are strikingly similar to what make a man strong, you're on the right track. 

class post.

[Jake71887]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

You're right ofcoarse but my understanding of this thread wasnt that "strong woman"(in Jacks case) refered to strength of character or or mental strength, (which Jack doesnt have any of those) but more a physical strength or toughness, which is why I gave those 2 examples.

I'd like to see how you are after you were tortured, drugged, forced to fight as a child, then grow up to be betrayed by friends, raped by multiple men, etc etc... 

[Herr Uhl]

The constant FU attitude made her one of those that I like least. She is so friggin self-centered and rash. It's ME ME ME all the time with her.



I don't mind her looks.

[Fishy]

The same reason why a lot of people like tali.
Because Tali from the beginning she admire Shepard .. She love Shepard and she's innocent.She want to be saved by the mighty Shepard.She's shy and vulnerable.

Jack just .. does not give a **** about Shepard .She don't care about your mighty ass.
She's not worshipping the ground you walk on.

Modifié par Suprez30, 12 février 2010 - 03:58 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

Skavau wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

You're applying human logic to an alien culture.

Of course I am. What other point of framework do I have, precisely? Are there some avaliable real life alien cultures that justify such an inept concept?

When these alien cultures were thought up, human cultures and species (biology-wise) were the only point of reference the developers had. We, naturally criticise from the same position..

Attempt to be witty was owned by actual intelligence well done skav

[Herr Uhl]

Suprez30 wrote...

The same reason why a lot of people like tali.
Because Tali from the beginning she admire Shepard .. She love Shepard and she's innocent.She want to be saved by the mighty Shepard.She's shy and vulnerable.

I found that kind of creepy.

[magnuskn]

Her looks are a definite turn-off, but it's mostly her personality which I don't like. I am really not very happy that at a certain point you can't talk to her anymore unless you break off your relationship with another crew member ( not gonna happen, Tali 4ever! ). I'd have wanted a "let's just be friends" option.



Not to say that I like Miranda any more. Her weird botoxed up face creeps me out.

[NICKjnp]

Actually I think the hair (or lack there of) suits her personality.  I also like how she is specifically trying to have this hard shell on her... but if you Paragon Romance her you find that she is actually sensitive.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 12 février 2010 - 04:06 .

[adriano_c]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

You're right ofcoarse but my understanding of this thread wasnt that "strong woman"(in Jacks case) refered to strength of character or or mental strength, (which Jack doesnt have any of those) but more a physical strength or toughness, which is why I gave those 2 examples.

Not to call you out, but...

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Bah where did you get that from?? And its incorrect, Jack isnt a strong woman. A strong woman wouldnt whine all the time and try to make themselves the victim(thats how teenagers act), even when showed that they are incorrect.

Ash is a strong woman, and I had no problem with her.

Im not sure that you know what a "strong woman" really is. A strong woman is a woman thats not subservient to men and is equal with them in all things. Thats it.

Doesn't seem to me that you were considering how much she could bench press or how much of a beating she could take when you gave that definition of yours...which by the way isn't even relevant to her "physical strength or toughness", so I don't get your reasoning...still.

Modifié par adriano_c, 12 février 2010 - 04:07 .

[Beerfish]

Jack is an awesome character and her looks are perfectly suited to her personality. Jack = Alma but not quite as creepy.

[Jake71887]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

You gave me 3 names that are the exception to the rule(yes there were some women who defied the rule), but my statement is still true, in 98% of cases before 80 some years ago men were primes.

Also you might want to brush on you history too, since beside Joan of Arc the other women were monarchs and as such were already in a good position to start makeing their changes. And beside Elisabeth none of them turned out well. 

Gah! Your ignorance knows no bounds!! 

[nitefyre410]

Suprez30 wrote...

The same reason why a lot of people like tali.
Because Tali from the beginning she admire Shepard .. She love Shepard and she's innocent.She want to be saved by the mighty Shepard.She's shy and vulnerable.

Jack just .. does not give a **** about Shepard .She don't care about your mighty ass.
She's not worshipping the ground you walk on.

 

lol... Tali is the most emotional stable woman on the whole ship... I died in a fit of laugher when i realized that... Shy I can  understand... more so Nervous when some one can't see you facially expressions its makes very hard to  communicate...    

Vulnerable... Now that i will have to debate you one.... Jack for all  hell fire is and brimestone is and Emotional train wreck and is more  vulnerable than Tail is, hell if you blow  Tali off on  thing she says is.. "Can;t blame  a girl for trying"   shrugs and leaves... Jack gets pretty pissed ...   physical strength does not  equal emotional strength and ability to  deal  with emotional situations. 

[Roninraver]

Suprez30 wrote...

The same reason why a lot of people like tali.
Because Tali from the beginning she admire Shepard .. She love Shepard and she's innocent.She want to be saved by the mighty Shepard.She's shy and vulnerable.

Jack just .. does not give a **** about Shepard .She don't care about your mighty ass.
She's not worshipping the ground you walk on.

Oi oi oi, watch your mouth.  Or I'll drop the cultured gentleman act and go battlemaster on yo' azz for dissin' Tali... yo

Did I say that right?  I think I said that right, was it overmuch though with the 'yo' at the end?

Jack has her points, and she is indeed strong in her way.  But I rank Tali way above Jack on the Strength-o-meter. 

Jack's strength lies in her ability to throw up a defensive barrier around her squishy center that puts to shame any biotic ability we've seen to date.  Which is a valid measure of strength, but one which just does not appeal to me.  My Krogan side catches the scent of that squishy interior and I have to fight down the compulsion to purge the weakness from my ship.

Tali shows her strength by putting herself at greater physical risk than any other crewmember on my team every single time she sets lovely two-toed foot outside the Normandy's airlock.  All it takes is a bad EVA seal and a jagged section of metal she takes cover behind in a firefight to potentially do her in, oh and the bullets.  Them too!

Shy she may be, vulnerable she may appear, but she has the real strength that I admire.

[Dudalizer]

Giving Jack hair would be like taking Miranda's away. It would just look weird.

[nitefyre410]

Roninraver wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

The same reason why a lot of people like tali.
Because Tali from the beginning she admire Shepard .. She love Shepard and she's innocent.She want to be saved by the mighty Shepard.She's shy and vulnerable.

Jack just .. does not give a **** about Shepard .She don't care about your mighty ass.
She's not worshipping the ground you walk on.

Oi oi oi, watch your mouth.  Or I'll drop the cultured gentleman act and go battlemaster on yo' azz for dissin' Tali... yo

Did I say that right?  I think I said that right, was it overmuch though with the 'yo' at the end?

Jack has her points, and she is indeed strong in her way.  But I rank Tali way above Jack on the Strength-o-meter. 

Jack's strength lies in her ability to throw up a defensive barrier around her squishy center that puts to shame any biotic ability we've seen to date.  Which is a valid measure of strength, but one which just does not appeal to me.  My Krogan side catches the scent of that squishy interior and I have to fight down the compulsion to purge the weakness from my ship.

Tali shows her strength by putting herself at greater physical risk than any other crewmember on my team every single time she sets lovely two-toed foot outside the Normandy's airlock.  All it takes is a bad EVA seal and a jagged section of metal she takes cover behind in a firefight to potentially do her in, oh and the bullets.  Them too!

Shy she may be, vulnerable she may appear, but she has the real strength that I admire.

 


 You sir are now  my NEW best friend.   

[JamieCOTC]

ComTrav wrote...

Elcor voice.

Obvious statement: Tali's apparent lack of hair has not impaired her popularity.

More seriously:
I think adding hair would ruin Jack's distinctive 'look'. She's a visually impressive design, and I think hair would mess with that.

I know this is OT, but I vote that all polititians, car salesmen and lawyers be made to speak Elcor. 

[nitefyre410]

JamieCOTC wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

Elcor voice.

Obvious statement: Tali's apparent lack of hair has not impaired her popularity.

More seriously:
I think adding hair would ruin Jack's distinctive 'look'. She's a visually impressive design, and I think hair would mess with that.

I know this is OT, but I vote that all polititians, car salesmen and lawyers be made to speak Elcor. 

 


That has to be most random funniest thing I have heard all day .. .you get a win for that post ... LOL

[BurstAngel75]

A strong woman is one who carries themselves with dignity even in the face of adversity. There is no dignity in Jack, only fear, which makes her a rather sad character to know.