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[TobiasRieper]

I kinda hate how most people think she's 'whining' and 'overreacting' about her childhood. Although she has, BY FAR, the worst childhood out of every character mentioned in both ME games.



I don't blame her for being bitter, cynical and not trusting anyone.



She got ****ed over by Cerberus and by the world in general.



I'll nurse her back to health though, giving her the love and affection she needs.

[ShadyKat]

Jack's lack of hair isn't why a lot of people didn't like her. Her abrasive attitude is why a lot of people didn't like her.

[TobiasRieper]

It's the looks and the initial attitude which scares most people off though.



Ending up in most (I think about half) of the people who'll play this game, never really getting through to Jack, and therefore never getting to know her.



She'll remain an unknown person to most, being feared, hated and misunderstood by a multitude of gamers.



Which is well done by Bioware, adds into her having a hard shell and being misunderstood. (and yes, the whole damaged girl thing is a bit of a cliché, but it's well done in this game imho)

[arafinwe_ingalaure]

I have no problems with Jack's haircut, it's totally her attitude that pisses me off. If she's not in Mass Effect 3, I would not complain. I think the equation is easy : badass = bad character. And Angry badass characters are even worse. You can't be worse then Kratos of God Of War. Seriously that is annoying.

[silentassassin264]

I don't hate her, I just play as a femshep so after you finish the loyalty mission and stuff she just says ****** off. Really? I assume she is less of a **** if you play as a maleshep but come on. You rescue her and let her get revenge and she pretty much ignores you afterwards.

[Jinto Hiromoto]

I like Jack. I all most romanced her in my first play through, but had to go with Tali. I wanted her since ME 1. I didn't see where any has mentioned that she is a reference to Jack/Kira from the Pitch Black movie, and there are some references to the Chronicle of Ridic. I loved both those movies.

I think her face and lips are the best. I don't mind the hair, and fact if you were to add any it should be punk or short. I don't even mind her chest. I don't think all the girls should look like Miranda and Samara. The only thing I don't like is some of the tattoos. I know they go with the whole convict punk thing, and I like some of it. Just some aren't that well done in my opinion. Differently not a deal breaker though.

[Gill Kaiser]

Jack isn't actually unpopular. She was unpopular for a while when all people knew about her was from her heavily Flanderizing trailer, but so far people who have actually played the game seem to regard her as a good character.

[Funkenstein23]

It isnt Miranda's hair that make her attractive. Its her huge jugs and shapely behind. Jack is sorely lacking both. That being said, Jack's shaved head is cool. Her head tattoos are some of her better looking ones.

[shaneho78]

silentassassin264 wrote...

I don't hate her, I just play as a femshep so after you finish the loyalty mission and stuff she just says ****** off. Really? I assume she is less of a **** if you play as a maleshep but come on. You rescue her and let her get revenge and she pretty much ignores you afterwards.

Slip up by Bioware. You'd expect Jack to be less guarded and more forthcoming with regards to femsheps. Maybe not exactly "girl power" talks but something along that line.

[Console Cowboy]

arafinwe_ingalaure wrote...
 I think the equation is easy : badass = bad character.

how did you feel about Wrex?

[axl99]

It's one thing to play up the psychopath angle, but I haven't really seen it in her during the game.



Personally I think she'd be more interesting if her humour came out a little more, and if she had more lines in game, or more cutscenes rather. She was rather pretty when she smiles.



From her first character reveal trailer, I was given the impression that while she was a tragic figure covering up her many surgical scars with tattoos, she took it all in stride having accepted herself for what she was forced to become and could even joke about it.



Fighting gave her existence meaning. Is it any surprise she revels in it?



But that said, I liked what I saw of Jack in the beginning. By the end of it I wanted to see what else there is to her. All the characters' personalities have already been established and revealed in their own way, it's just needing that extra mile to see how much further from there they can develop as people.



It could be the limited time, money and console memory constraints at fault.



But getting back to the topic at hand.... No. Jack doesn't need hair to be popular.

[Urazz]

TobiasRieper wrote...

It's the looks and the initial attitude which scares most people off though.

Ending up in most (I think about half) of the people who'll play this game, never really getting through to Jack, and therefore never getting to know her.

She'll remain an unknown person to most, being feared, hated and misunderstood by a multitude of gamers.

Which is well done by Bioware, adds into her having a hard shell and being misunderstood. (and yes, the whole damaged girl thing is a bit of a cliché, but it's well done in this game imho)

I think it's the initial outfit that throws people off as well and not the tattoos and lack of hair.  That outfit not something very suitable combat to wear really.  Hell, a tube top would've been better at least. I switched her to her alternate outfit (the black skintight shirt) once I got it so at least it seemed like a better choice over her default appearance.
 
And it's not just the initial attitude.  Unless you romance her as paragon, she really doesn't soften up that much to you to at least consider you a friend.  It's either develop a paragon romance with her or sleep with her and she tells you to f*ck off.  Otherwise, you learn a bit more about her and basically tells you to f*ck off when you tell her you don't have feelings for her.

If you could at least be a friend with her later on, then I think people would like her character more and she would be much more popular.

Modifié par Urazz, 13 février 2010 - 05:14 .

[Weiser_Cain]

She could have been sexier. Oh I like the hair and tats, but below the waist and she just looks frumpy. I could have gone for some skin tight leather pants with jury-rigged knee pads.

[Roninraver]

Console Cowboy wrote...

arafinwe_ingalaure wrote...
 I think the equation is easy : badass = bad character.

how did you feel about Wrex?

There's a difference between the two, and a subtle yet important mistake made by the person you're quoting.

There's nothing wrong with a badass, it does not automatically equal a bad character.  Wrex emphatically is a badass, and he's a great character.

Jack isn't a badass, she's a caricature of a badass.  She's outwardly everything you think of when you hear "badass", just turned up to 11 when they should have stopped at 10.  That 11th degree badassery is there to cover up and protect the squishy damaged bits inside of her.  She isn't a badass archetype, she's a survivor archetype, with a badass candy coating to hide that fact from everyone around her.

Now Jack's character isn't necessarily a bad one because of this, as some people obviously like cracking through that hard candy shell to get at the chewy bits inside, and more power to them.  All I know is, I was simply trying to learn more about her as a character after completing her loyalty mission, and she told me to dump Tali if I wanted my questions answered.

I can imagine at that point my Shepard walking away from her muttering under his breath "Fat chance Baldy McBodyart, you'll be floating away from the ship via the nearest airlock before that ever happens."

[Finnegone]

I don't find Jack attractive. But, then again, I'm not attracted to 13 year-old boys.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Finnegone wrote...

I don't find Jack attractive. But, then again, I'm not attracted to 13 year-old boys.

lol

And also if I would have posted sooner I would have posted a humerous anecdote about how everything is better with great hair, but personally I wouldn't mind seeing the option for different hair, but that won't happen.  Also I really didn't care, I didn't like her because I found her annoying and disruptive.

[AeradinME2]

Yeh with all the **** Shepard faces on a damn daily basis the last thing he/she needs is to have to play psychiatrist with jack haha

[Weiser_Cain]

Actually, I'd love to be able to manipulate Jack more than you already do. She was crushed when I dumped her for Tali. It was one of the funnier moments in the game for me.

[Unit-Alpha]

The tattoos, lack of hair, and her attitude really made me dislike her character. I admit, her tattoos were a piece of art so nice job BW, but still I didn't like her.

[ice445]

Yeah, the lack of hair really ruins the "appeal" for me.

[GodWood]

I think the hair would clash with her tattoos and just make her look, "trashy" or "dirty."

Shes fine the way she is.

[Bad Byte]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Jack isn't actually unpopular. She was unpopular for a while when all people knew about her was from her heavily Flanderizing trailer, but so far people who have actually played the game seem to regard her as a good character.

Im not none of them, during the recruit mission she's a badass who tears up the ship but once she's on Shepards team she's reduced to "volus biotic god", next to useless.

Modifié par Bad Byte, 13 février 2010 - 05:23 .

[The Governator]

ushae wrote...

A shallow question I know, but I noticed how unpopular she is and wondered what the reasons were especially when I compared her to Miranda. I know most people liked Miranda for her .. appearance and character second.  But what if Jack had a full head of hair, would that change her preconceptions ?

Also, if she was to grow her hair in the second game, what hair style would she have ? Which colour would suit her ?

Admittedly, I would probably like her a bit more (or dislike her less) if she had awesome hair.  But, she is just such a crass, unrefined vessel of hatred that I find little of redeeming value in her.  I know that she has suffered and that her mind is still reeling from trauma but she's still an ass.  She's just too butch for me.  

[Mondo47]

Some of the unused designs for Jack are really nice (some of which involved insanely complex dreadlocked hair that made her look almost alien, masses of facial piercings, even one that is just pure goth, patchwork or shredded costumes, even full-on facial tattoos - I found 'em randomly poking around on the internet afore any of ye ask). They all made her look a little too feminine though, and took some of that half-starved boyishness out of her that actually communicated her psychological trauma as much as her attitude did. I think Jack has to look the way she does; on one hand it makes her look tough as nails and that she really doesn't give a ****, but on the other hand it subtly communicates that she has perhaps gone though something that requires her to wear this armour for a reason other than 'grrrr I hate you all'... defense mechanism and all that. Made her interesting; a puzzle to figure out - did she need someone to get through all that attitude or was she just a sociopath?

*shrug* I liked her as she was - at least she had a full compliment of fingers and toes and didn't moan about how hard it was to be perfect

[TheShady]

I got more trouble with the tatoos... :S