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#126
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Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

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But you see the problem with that, is you have the majority of Tali fans
voting, so yes it indeed play a significant role. You also might have
forgotten to take in to account that not everyone will put a 1 all the
time in hopes of remaining undetected as a fanboy.That is just common
sense, although most fanboys lack this. I call shananigans.


But you have little proof. Yes, there are double votes here and there, but again, it does not seem that the "Tali diehards" are taking over the poll. If that is the case, then why is Tali's mean only a 7.92 in this survey and an 8.05 in the first one, even with nearly the same standard deviations? The coefficients of variation went up slightly (and only slightly!) compared with the first survey.

You might be on to something, but the numbers do not support your thesis.


Tali's mean is a result of other fanboy LIs too. So in effect we have a survey polluted with a bunch of "buffs and debuffs" on particular characters. The fact that you have more Tali voters shows because the negative effect from the anti Tali voters is small but significant enough to hold her down, along with the people who generally dislike her, and those who just like her in an 7-8ish way. Now Liara suffers from the cameo effect and the Tali haters in particular, that will add to the weight of her negative votes. The funny thing is how yet close they both are in spite of the large numbers of Tali voters. Either way, the whole survey is skewed.

It is rather funny overall though, I'm just pointing out what not everybody can see if they are not really looking. No need for them to think what they see is acually accurate.


Well, if that is the case, no matter what the numbers are, we will never be able to properly gauge how the community feels about each character. The numbers are useless.

I do agree that while a few diehards may skew the poll, do you really think that there is some vast conspiracy to deliberately skew the poll in their favorite character's favor? I don't think so, and even if there is such a conspiracy, the conspirators are few in number.

Deltaboy, sometimes I think you take things a little too seriously. Sabotage or no sabotage, this poll was done out of my spare time for the sake of fun and a love for numbers...


I actually don;t have a serious bone in my body right now. Maybe it's because you can't se my emotions. I actualyl find it funny that some people are taking this to actually mean something. 

Also what I'm getting out of this is different than what you may be getting. You may be doing it for fun and practice. I am doing it for both fun and confirmation of what the forums show. I find it funny, not serious. I like to talk if you haven't gotten that yet.

@KainrycKarr If I was promoting a specific character, I would have actually used both different wording and then proceeded to bad mouth another character. I have done neither. Instead I am laughing at the lengths "certain" fans will go to prove a nonexistent point. That is what I find amuzing and I am simply calling them out, why you ask?

Because that is "my" fun. I don't like to see cheaters win either. So that is why O am so vocal. If I was a sore loser, I would have to first being either playing a game, or be a part of a contest.


Character does not matter in this instance. I don't care if it's flippin' Udina on the poll.

It's just lame to assume it's a conspiracy. It is. And everyone's guilty of their assumptions. People only see what they want to see.

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ComTrav wrote...

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I'm not sure what the point is of having two separate polls for the ME1 characters is. I mean, they 4/6 of them were essentially just quest NPCs.

EDIT: In fact, it makes me think you're trying to prove a point for something.


Actually, I suspect the point is to track what people thought of people's cameos in ME2, and disaggregate that from the overall score of the character. (I suspect a lot of Liara people aren't happy with her ME2 appearance, but are still going to rate Liara highly.)


i for one loved how she appeeared, we expected the same liara but saw how she's changed (however, if you ask the right things she reveals her former self, if only briefly).

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How do you calculate average in excel



Im trying to calculate Ashley's average?

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BattleVisor wrote...

How do you calculate average in excel

Im trying to calculate Ashley's average?


It's in this thread, actually:
Ashley
Mean: 6.01
Std. Deviation: 2.246
Median: 6

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I just ran through the numbers for statistical significance and these are the results:

Percentage of people who voted for Tali giving a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 12.72%

Percentage of a random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 15.4%

Percentage of another random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 16.9%

According to the Two-proportion z-test, there is no statistical significance between these percentages.

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY WHATSOEVER. THE NUMBERS SUPPORT IT!

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KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

But you see the problem with that, is you have the majority of Tali fans
voting, so yes it indeed play a significant role. You also might have
forgotten to take in to account that not everyone will put a 1 all the
time in hopes of remaining undetected as a fanboy.That is just common
sense, although most fanboys lack this. I call shananigans.


But you have little proof. Yes, there are double votes here and there, but again, it does not seem that the "Tali diehards" are taking over the poll. If that is the case, then why is Tali's mean only a 7.92 in this survey and an 8.05 in the first one, even with nearly the same standard deviations? The coefficients of variation went up slightly (and only slightly!) compared with the first survey.

You might be on to something, but the numbers do not support your thesis.


Tali's mean is a result of other fanboy LIs too. So in effect we have a survey polluted with a bunch of "buffs and debuffs" on particular characters. The fact that you have more Tali voters shows because the negative effect from the anti Tali voters is small but significant enough to hold her down, along with the people who generally dislike her, and those who just like her in an 7-8ish way. Now Liara suffers from the cameo effect and the Tali haters in particular, that will add to the weight of her negative votes. The funny thing is how yet close they both are in spite of the large numbers of Tali voters. Either way, the whole survey is skewed.

It is rather funny overall though, I'm just pointing out what not everybody can see if they are not really looking. No need for them to think what they see is acually accurate.


Well, if that is the case, no matter what the numbers are, we will never be able to properly gauge how the community feels about each character. The numbers are useless.

I do agree that while a few diehards may skew the poll, do you really think that there is some vast conspiracy to deliberately skew the poll in their favorite character's favor? I don't think so, and even if there is such a conspiracy, the conspirators are few in number.

Deltaboy, sometimes I think you take things a little too seriously. Sabotage or no sabotage, this poll was done out of my spare time for the sake of fun and a love for numbers...


I actually don;t have a serious bone in my body right now. Maybe it's because you can't se my emotions. I actualyl find it funny that some people are taking this to actually mean something. 

Also what I'm getting out of this is different than what you may be getting. You may be doing it for fun and practice. I am doing it for both fun and confirmation of what the forums show. I find it funny, not serious. I like to talk if you haven't gotten that yet.

@KainrycKarr If I was promoting a specific character, I would have actually used both different wording and then proceeded to bad mouth another character. I have done neither. Instead I am laughing at the lengths "certain" fans will go to prove a nonexistent point. That is what I find amuzing and I am simply calling them out, why you ask?

Because that is "my" fun. I don't like to see cheaters win either. So that is why O am so vocal. If I was a sore loser, I would have to first being either playing a game, or be a part of a contest.


Character does not matter in this instance. I don't care if it's flippin' Udina on the poll.

It's just lame to assume it's a conspiracy. It is. And everyone's guilty of their assumptions. People only see what they want to see.


If you believe that Talimancers, Mirandass Lovers, etc. are indeed disproportionately skewing the poll results, it should be easy enough to isolate their votes from the survey. So, you could (if you were so inclined) elect to show Tali's overall popularity vs. Tali's popularity by those who did not select her as their favorite squaddie vs. Tali's popularity by those who selected Miranda as their favorite squaddie, and so on.

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XX55XX wrote...

I just ran through the numbers for statistical significance and these are the results:

Percentage of people who voted for Tali giving a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 12.72%

Percentage of a random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 15.4%

Percentage of another random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 16.9%

According to the Two-proportion z-test, there is no statistical significance between these percentages.

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY WHATSOEVER. THE NUMBERS SUPPORT IT!


I thought as much.

A character with more posts then the entire DAO: Awakening board doesn't need a conspiracy.

Is there a reason you picked Ashley?

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Finnegone--Rather then quote your whole wall of text, it seems to me you're suggesting a "Who's your favorite character besides Tali?" poll.

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XX55XX wrote...

I just ran through the numbers for statistical significance and these are the results:

Percentage of people who voted for Tali giving a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 12.72%

Percentage of a random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 15.4%

Percentage of another random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 16.9%

According to the Two-proportion z-test, there is no statistical significance between these percentages.

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY WHATSOEVER. THE NUMBERS SUPPORT IT!


no, I looked myself, and we must be looking at different things. and last I checked those percentages are significant. Which means 1 out of every 9-10 people (er Tali fans) are skewing results. You tell me that isn't significant if your calculations are right.

This is also ONLY Ashleys numbers too.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 13 février 2010 - 12:48 .


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ComTrav wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

I just ran through the numbers for statistical significance and these are the results:

Percentage of people who voted for Tali giving a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 12.72%

Percentage of a random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 15.4%

Percentage of another random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 16.9%

According to the Two-proportion z-test, there is no statistical significance between these percentages.

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY WHATSOEVER. THE NUMBERS SUPPORT IT!


I thought as much.

A character with more posts then the entire DAO: Awakening board doesn't need a conspiracy.

Is there a reason you picked Ashley?


Well, she's probably a competing love interest, so... yeah...

It was quite an exercise, requiring Excel, a calculator, and my old statistics textbook. But, even if we ran this test, like say, for example, Tali vs. Liara, I think the two-proportion z-test would tell us the same thing.

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XX55XX wrote...

I just ran through the numbers for statistical significance and these are the results:

Percentage of people who voted for Tali giving a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 12.72%

Percentage of a random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 15.4%

Percentage of another random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 16.9%

According to the Two-proportion z-test, there is no statistical significance between these percentages.

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY WHATSOEVER. THE NUMBERS SUPPORT IT!


[Said jokingly in Elcor voice] THERE IS A COSPIRACY THOUGH!  How about the statistical significance of pro-Mordin'ers bashing Mornith? 

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Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

I just ran through the numbers for statistical significance and these are the results:

Percentage of people who voted for Tali giving a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 12.72%

Percentage of a random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 15.4%

Percentage of another random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 16.9%

According to the Two-proportion z-test, there is no statistical significance between these percentages.

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY WHATSOEVER. THE NUMBERS SUPPORT IT!


no, I looked myself, and we must be looking at different things. and last I checked those percentages are significant. Which means 1 out of every 9-10 people (er Tali fans) are skewing results. You tell me that isn't significant if your calculations are right.


Deltaboy, do some real math instead of staring at the numbers in hopes that your eyes alone can discern the truth.

If you can prove me wrong while also using the two-proportion z-test, then by all means, try.

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XX55XX wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

I just ran through the numbers for statistical significance and these are the results:

Percentage of people who voted for Tali giving a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 12.72%

Percentage of a random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 15.4%

Percentage of another random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 16.9%

According to the Two-proportion z-test, there is no statistical significance between these percentages.

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY WHATSOEVER. THE NUMBERS SUPPORT IT!


I thought as much.

A character with more posts then the entire DAO: Awakening board doesn't need a conspiracy.

Is there a reason you picked Ashley?


Well, she's probably a competing love interest, so... yeah...

It was quite an exercise, requiring Excel, a calculator, and my old statistics textbook. But, even if we ran this test, like say, for example, Tali vs. Liara, I think the two-proportion z-test would tell us the same thing.


Why use a random sample? You can do this in Excel for the entire data set in a few minutes.

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XX5' pwned your ass.

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@XX55XX
Yeah, I don't think there's much to gain by repeating the test on other LIs. My quick look-over of the data (NOT statistically rigorous, lol) didn't suggest that any fan group was singling out any other particular character for hate.
I appreciate you doing this, though. It's all in good, dorktacular fun.

Modifié par ComTrav, 13 février 2010 - 12:54 .


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CHILL OUT!!!

The only data i would really like to see and that would bring TRUTH to all these surveys are in the hands of the DevTeam. If you all forgot, ME2 has the ability to send stats of who you're picking for missions, most chosen LI's and so on...

Despite the fact that I like these surveys, we can't forget the fact that these are just to give us a clue of who are the loved and hated by the community in the game.

So, just chill out and hope one day we might actually get a chance to pick an eye on those DevTeam stats.
:)

Modifié par Kosmiker, 13 février 2010 - 12:57 .


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Finnegone wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

I just ran through the numbers for statistical significance and these are the results:

Percentage of people who voted for Tali giving a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 12.72%

Percentage of a random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 15.4%

Percentage of another random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 16.9%

According to the Two-proportion z-test, there is no statistical significance between these percentages.

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY WHATSOEVER. THE NUMBERS SUPPORT IT!


I thought as much.

A character with more posts then the entire DAO: Awakening board doesn't need a conspiracy.

Is there a reason you picked Ashley?


Well, she's probably a competing love interest, so... yeah...

It was quite an exercise, requiring Excel, a calculator, and my old statistics textbook. But, even if we ran this test, like say, for example, Tali vs. Liara, I think the two-proportion z-test would tell us the same thing.


Why use a random sample? You can do this in Excel for the entire data set in a few minutes.


My Excel skills are weak. That's why.

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XX55XX wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

I just ran through the numbers for statistical significance and these are the results:

Percentage of people who voted for Tali giving a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 12.72%

Percentage of a random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 15.4%

Percentage of another random sample of people who gave a score of 3 or less to Ashley: 16.9%

According to the Two-proportion z-test, there is no statistical significance between these percentages.

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY WHATSOEVER. THE NUMBERS SUPPORT IT!


no, I looked myself, and we must be looking at different things. and last I checked those percentages are significant. Which means 1 out of every 9-10 people (er Tali fans) are skewing results. You tell me that isn't significant if your calculations are right.


Deltaboy, do some real math instead of staring at the numbers in hopes that your eyes alone can discern the truth.

If you can prove me wrong while also using the two-proportion z-test, then by all means, try.



If that was a lame attempt at a joke, then I'll indulge you...haha...ha.....h....mmmkay. anyway. math is actually what I'm doing, your using the easy way out, uh...yeah was it SPSS???

So when speaking of math, do try doing some yourself before accusing another of NOT using it. Either way, I see you yourself are not hiding anymore. I see you quite often in the Tali thread , but I won't go there....nevermind, so it comes as no surprise that you have picked up your weapon now.

Anyway, I'm gonna let this go, because I think enough people see the truth, which was my only objective. Se laters, and good luck with the Talimance self esteem issues. good luck with her romantic return in ME3 too. It's funny how this has been playing out... to everyone else, just keep an eye out for your local Talimancer, they can get rather vicious and tenacious at trying to "make" her return at all costs, even if that means bashing your favorite character. Oh noooes, no one can like anyone other than TALI11!!!11!!

OMG I'm outta here. have fun.

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Heartlocker wrote...

XX5' pwned your ass.


so, and how old are you??? want some candy?

now grow up soon okay???

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 13 février 2010 - 01:06 .


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Kosmiker wrote...

CHILL OUT!!!

The only data i would really like to see and that would bring TRUTH to all these surveys are in the hands of the DevTeam. If you all forgot, ME2 has the ability to send stats of who you're picking for missions, most chosen LI's and so on...

Despite the fact that I like these surveys, we can't forget the fact that these are just to give us a clue of who are the loved and hated by the community in the game.

So, just chill out and hope one day we might actually get a chance to pick an eye on those DevTeam stats.
:)


This is why I will not be getting the Paramour achievement.

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Well, I appreciate you doing this, XX55XX. It's a pity it had to end so acrimoniously.

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This survey is fail if Mordin isn't the most humorous character


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The data backs up Deltaboy's suspicions, actually:

Miranda's average score- everyone (n=606): 7.19
Miranda's average score- everyone BUT Miranda Fans (n= 543): 6.89
Miranda's average score - Talimancers (n=134): 6.34
Tali's average score (everyone; n=606): 7.93
Tali's average score- everyone BUT Talimancers (n=472): 7.39
Tali's average score - Miranda Fans (n=63): 6.06

It appears that there is a very strange but nevertheless perceptible undercurrent of fanboy(or girl)ism at work here. That shouldn't be too surprising, though, and I honestly don't think it matters (I just like screwing around in Excel).

Edited for clarity

Modifié par Finnegone, 13 février 2010 - 01:14 .


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Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Heartlocker wrote...

XX5' pwned your ass.


so, and how old are you??? want some candy?

now grow up soon okay???



Really now, am I being offered candy? Mommy told me not to accept gifts from strangers.

I honestly don't know why an idiot like you is allowed to be a pedophile. Seriously, I just underlined the burn as X55 was in fact, RIGHT.

And I am 18, don't worry..my hormones are not in control of me. And I might as well ask your age and the cap your sentences, makes you look older on the 'net. Thank you, NEXT.

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Finnegone wrote...

The data backs up Deltaboy's suspicions, actually:

Miranda's average score- everyone (n=606): 7.19
Miranda's average score- everyone BUT Miranda Fans (n= 543): 6.89
Miranda's average score - Talimancers (n=134): 6.34
Tali's average score (everyone; n=606): 7.93
Tali's average score- everyone BUT Talimancers (n=472): 7.39
Tali's average score - Miranda Fans (n=63): 6.06

It appears that there is a very strange but nevertheless perceptible undercurrent of fanboy(or girl)ism at work here


See I told you, and everyone was ready to paint me a fanboy. That's why I say Talimancers are funny, they have the numbers as far as fans, but not the brains. Not even close. Thanks Finnegone!