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[lovgreno]

The evolutional reason for quarians to have that number of fingers are probably many hundreds of thousand years in the past, long before any quarian even considered tinkering.

[Valmarn]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In terms of manual dexterity, a 4th digit (3rd finger to go with the thumb) would make a lot more sense. There are a lot of things where that "ring" finger makes a difference.

Watch Tali hold a pistol one-handed, for example, with one finger and her thumb, with the other finger hovering over the trigger.

That's exactly what caught my eye, and made me question BioWare's decision to give them only 3 fingers: Tali holding a pistol with one hand.

Upon noticing that, I immediately threw a preverbial bullsh** flag. There's simply no way a 3-fingered individual could competently wield a pistol with one hand, unassisted. Mind you, the operative words are "competently" and "unassisted." Sure. if one held the pistol tightly enough with their non-trigger-finger and thumb, they would have a decent enough grip, but their grip on the weapon is only as good as the surface of the weapon allows...i.e. if the grip on the gun is oily or really dirty/muddy. they might have a hard time. Plus, to have to maintain a grip like that just to hold the weapon with as much confidence as a 4- or 5-fingered individual with a normal grip only further proves what a drawback it is having 1 or 2 fewer digits.

[Valmarn]

lovgreno wrote...

The evolutional reason for quarians to have that number of fingers are probably many hundreds of thousand years in the past, long before any quarian even considered tinkering.

If I had to guess, I would say that some people are asking why Quarians have three fingers from a developmental standpoint, not an evolutionary one.

[spthompson]

This thread has me in stitches!

[Veen130]

Why not give Quarians 3 fingers? Useing some human made equipment and computers we have today it may be difficult as their designed for people with 5 fingers. But obviously Quarians made their tech so it worked with 3 fingers. Suddenly giving the Quarians an extra finger would be werid and create a massive topic (along with dozens of topics that get a few pages in and closed by Pacifen with a link to the bigger one) of alot of fans complaining about it. Halo did this with the Elites, Elites had 3 fingers for every halo game and now suddenly in Reach they have grown an extra finger!

[CroGamer002]

Valmarn wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Its purely to make them look alien.

EDIT: hold on!? this thread is ****ing 8 months old!

Indeed. I didn't notice that until you said something...lol

Even so, it was either post a reply in this thread, or create a new one and get harassed about creating a new thread on a topic that's already been discussed.

At any rate, they could have easily accomplished the "alien look" with four fingers.

This is necro thread.
You should have had created new thread and it wouldn't be accused  for duplication.

[SagaciousTien]

Odd Hermit wrote...

lltoon wrote...

When you hold a pencil, you only ever use 3 fingers.

When you hold a soldering iron, you only ever use 3 fingers.

When surgeons work on a patient, they only ever hold the scalpel using 3 fingers.

When you think about it, most tools we use, we only hold them using our thumb and first 2 fingers. the last 2 fingers are never really used.

keyboard

But again, they don't really use keyboards in the future.

[Urazz]

The true reason why Tali and the Quarians don't have more than 3 fingers is so that they are incabable of giving us the finger showing how much they hate us.

[Naughty Bear]

[Edit: Removed crass comment. -- Pacifien]

Modifié par Pacifien, 13 octobre 2010 - 03:27 .

[belwin]

Most races in ME have 3 fingers.



so the real question is, why do we have 5?

[Valmarn]

Mesina2 wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Its purely to make them look alien.

EDIT: hold on!? this thread is ****ing 8 months old!

Indeed. I didn't notice that until you said something...lol

Even so, it was either post a reply in this thread, or create a new one and get harassed about creating a new thread on a topic that's already been discussed.

At any rate, they could have easily accomplished the "alien look" with four fingers.

This is necro thread.
You should have had created new thread and it wouldn't be accused  for duplication.

Yes, this is a necro thread. It's nice of you to notice, but I believe that topic has already been brought up.

I'm not sure how closely you read the post to which you replied, but I believe I stated that I didn't notice how old the thread was until GodWood said something.

At any rate, necro or not, given the number of additional posts made in this thread since my initial post, your argument doesn't carry as much weight. Bear in mind that your post is only the second one to mention the expiration date of this thread.

[Valmarn]

belwin wrote...

Most races in ME have 3 fingers.

so the real question is, why do we have 5?

Because we have 5 fingers IRL, and BioWare wanted to maintain continuity.

And don't forget that Asari have 5 fingers, as well. Of course, they were probably given 5 fingers because they look just like human females, aside from their complexion and the head fringe in lieu of hair.

[Raanz]

Three fingers doesn't bother me, but something I have wondered about: is the third "toe" on female quarians vestigial?

[vigna]

I think it may have been design related. I think if you look at Quarian's bent calves, and then add in 3 digits on hands and feet it makes them look more avian in appearance. While most earth birds have 4 digits...I just always thought Quarians were supposed to be more reptile or avian-like in appearance than ape/mammalian.

If we ever see a Quarian out of their suit we'll know.

Modifié par vigna, 14 octobre 2010 - 04:49 .

[Valmarn]

vigna wrote...

I think it may have been design related. I think if you look at Quarian's bent calves, and then add in 3 digits on hands and feet it makes them look more avian in appearance. While most earth birds have 4 digits...I just always thought Quarians were supposed to be more reptile or avian-like in appearance than ape/mammalian.

If we ever see a Quarian out of their suit we'll know.

That's an interesting thought: quarians as reptiles or avians.

For some reason, I've always envisioned Quarians as having a more human-like complexion underneath those masks.

I imagine a lot of people have their own mental images of what the Quarians really look like, and I think it is for that very reason that we will never see a Quarian unsuited or even unmasked. BioWare may not want to destroy what many of us, in our minds, see what's under those masks and suits.

Modifié par Valmarn, 14 octobre 2010 - 05:56 .

[Valmarn]

mrsph wrote...

Part of the reason (at least in animation purposes) is probably because 3-4 fingers are way easier to animate than five.

Personally, I doubt ease of animation has the least bit to do with it. BioWare doesn't seem to have any trouble with human and Asari hands. For another 5-fingered race, all they would have to do is use the same hand model as used for humans and Asari, then just add the right texture.

[Jonesey2k]

I knew some guy in the army who lost a couple of fingers when they got trapped in the hatch of a chally 2. Seemed to get along just fine.

Modifié par Jonesey2k, 15 octobre 2010 - 10:12 .

[Dean_the_Young]

3 is a suitably 'alien' number without looking too unhuman. This has been a factor in animation drawings for years.



Two fingers lack holding stability, and aren't reasonable for complex tasks.



Four fingers either looks completely bizar (four corners of a box positioning), or almost indistinguishable: some children cartoons, for example, never bother with five fingers.



Six or more humans looks far more bizaar and disturbing, especially as you add more, and it's hard to justify the need for more. And, because of the need to have actors in funny suits, we have a live-sci-fi history of not forcing more fingers than the actors canusually provide.





Three fingers is a happy medium. Three fingers provide minimum holding stability. Three fingers is distinctly unhuman, but at the same time is reminiscent and replicableby someone wearing a three fingered glove.

[Valmarn]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

3 is a suitably 'alien' number without looking too unhuman. This has been a factor in animation drawings for years.

Two fingers lack holding stability, and aren't reasonable for complex tasks.

Four fingers either looks completely bizar (four corners of a box positioning), or almost indistinguishable: some children cartoons, for example, never bother with five fingers.

Six or more humans looks far more bizaar and disturbing, especially as you add more, and it's hard to justify the need for more. And, because of the need to have actors in funny suits, we have a live-sci-fi history of not forcing more fingers than the actors canusually provide.


Three fingers is a happy medium. Three fingers provide minimum holding stability. Three fingers is distinctly unhuman, but at the same time is reminiscent and replicableby someone wearing a three fingered glove.

This has to be the best explanation that I've seen thus far in this thread.

I still don't like the fact that BioWare gave only three fingers to a race of tinkerers. 4 or 5 fingers will always be better suited for nimbly working with small, intricate parts.

Still, your post helped put things into perspective.

Modifié par Valmarn, 15 octobre 2010 - 10:11 .

[Snowship]

I don't get the "more than 'X' many fingers and it looks bizarre" statement. They're aliens, they're meant to look bizarre!

Also animals have 5 fingers cause the organism that won the evolutionary war to colonise land HAD 5 fingers.... there were heaps of other critters competing with it that had less or more, it just won out.

So count yourself lucky you don't have 8 digits.... then 5-fingered people would look strange!

[xI extremist Ix]

Snowship wrote...

I don't get the "more than 'X' many fingers and it looks bizarre" statement. They're aliens, they're meant to look bizarre!
Also animals have 5 fingers cause the organism that won the evolutionary war to colonise land HAD 5 fingers.... there were heaps of other critters competing with it that had less or more, it just won out.
So count yourself lucky you don't have 8 digits.... then 5-fingered people would look strange!

Funny thing is that the gene for 4 fingers is actually dominant and 5 fingers is recessive, but over eighty thousand years is has been removed from the gene pool.

[MrnDvlDg161]

I guess you'll have to ask the authors when you corner them the next time their at your local Comic Book/Game store.



That is unless your escourted out for being a ravenous fan boy/girl

[Valmarn]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

Snowship wrote...

I don't get the "more than 'X' many fingers and it looks bizarre" statement. They're aliens, they're meant to look bizarre!
Also animals have 5 fingers cause the organism that won the evolutionary war to colonise land HAD 5 fingers.... there were heaps of other critters competing with it that had less or more, it just won out.
So count yourself lucky you don't have 8 digits.... then 5-fingered people would look strange!

Funny thing is that the gene for 4 fingers is actually dominant and 5 fingers is recessive, but over eighty thousand years is has been removed from the gene pool.

80 thousand years ago, eh? So, what you really mean to say that "the gene for 4 fingers WAS dominant."