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[Jamin101]

one thing nobody mentions is the quarian fingers are super thick, at least 1.5 or two human fingers so maybe one big finger and a thumb is enough grip and the other finger is used for the trigger, tinkering

[primero holodon]

I was curious about this myself so I spent a whole day using only three fingers to see what it was like. it's actually not hard at all, almost everything we have is used by the thumb and two fingers.

[Inquisitor Recon]

If your any good at typing you should be using all of your fingers.

[Pauravi]

The premise of this thread is pretty silly. Five fingers is not necessarily "better" than three.

Not only do three fingers work just fine for manipulating objects but, because they are intelligent, tool-using beings, the Quarians would simply have designed their tools to be used optimally with three-fingered hands. I really don't see what the difficulty is.

[Pauravi]

Valmarn wrote...

xI extremist Ix wrote...

Funny thing is that the gene for 4
fingers is actually dominant and 5 fingers is recessive, but over
eighty thousand years is has been removed from the gene pool.

80 thousand years ago, eh? So, what you really mean to say that "the gene for 4 fingers WAS dominant."

No, there is a difference between something being dominant, as in a synonym for "prevalent", or something being genetically dominant (as opposed to recessive).  They may as well be different words.

Genetically dominant means that, generally, if a child inherits a 4-finger gene from one parent and a 5-finger gene from the other, the child will have 4 fingers, not 5.  What he meant to convey was that, although the 4-finger gene is genetically dominant and the 5-finger gene is recessive, nobody actually has the 4-finger gene anymore.

Of course, I really don't know how correct he is about that, I was just trying to clarify what he meant.  80 thousand years seems much too recent to me, but I'm no expert.

Modifié par Pauravi, 18 octobre 2010 - 06:43 .

[Pauravi]

Valmarn wrote...

I still don't like the fact that BioWare gave only three fingers to a race of tinkerers. 4 or 5 fingers will always be better suited for nimbly working with small, intricate parts.

My mechanic has three fingers on one of his hands.  He does great work.

[RobotNixon]

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

And to those of you that say humans only need 3 fingers to use a tool,
try using an axe or some other form of large instrument after lopping your
ring and last fingers off and get back to me on that.

Modifié par RobotNixon, 18 octobre 2010 - 06:52 .

[Pauravi]

RobotNixon wrote...

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

And to those of you that say humans only need 3 fingers to use a tool,
try using an axe or some other form of large instrument after lopping your
ring and last fingers off and get back to me on that.

Of course if you were born to a race that only had 3 fingers, it is likely that your digits would be individually much stronger than a humans, and thus, have a strong grip with fewer fingers.  Also, as was mentioned, they would simply design tools more suited to their own anatomy.

[Beerfish]

As long as they have an odd number of fingers they can still give you the middle finger so at least that part works out.

[Gabey5]

she is related to gerlon 2 fingers

[Sajuro]

Beerfish wrote...

As long as they have an odd number of fingers they can still give you the middle finger so at least that part works out.

This and they probably had their own types of guns to use with three fingers, then their gloves probably have grips to account for tools being slippery.

[Dean_the_Young]

Snowship wrote...

I don't get the "more than 'X' many fingers and it looks bizarre" statement. They're aliens, they're meant to look bizarre!
Also animals have 5 fingers cause the organism that won the evolutionary war to colonise land HAD 5 fingers.... there were heaps of other critters competing with it that had less or more, it just won out.
So count yourself lucky you don't have 8 digits.... then 5-fingered people would look strange!

Strange, but only in the same sense that we think a three fingered hand is strange. Not completely removed or impossible from experience.


Decades of the genre have shown that audiences actually don't react well to extremely alien aliens: people (or should I say humans?) insist on being able to project human and animal characteristics onto creatures, and often get increasingly upset when they can't find a model that applies. Even one of the most mythic non-existent creatures we have, the dragon, is a mix of elements of predatory things that hunted us: birds, big cats, snakes.

It's part of a reason why almost all aliens are either bipedal or strongly resemble some other earth characteristic: it's not simply artist laziness, but audiences as a whole don't appreciate or like completely radical, un-human aliens. Compare, say, the disney-modelled cat-fetish aleins of Avatar to the disgusting, far less human aliens of District 9. If it doesn't look good, it doesn't sell. If it doesn't have enough human or familiar proportions, people don't like it.

As far as the 'creep us out' factors go, more limbs/digits is one the fastest routes an unappealing alien species. Whether it calls to mind octopus tentacles, centipede legs, bugs in general, or elderitch horrors, more parts moving is creepier. Less is simplification.

Take Tali as a love interest: it only works because Tali is so generically human on so many levels: slim waist, proper proportions, tight in all the right places. It's very, very easy to ignore counting the lesser digits, because 'simplification' just doesn't jump out of us. But if she had, say, enough fingers so that each hand looked like a sea anemone, holding hands becomes a lot less cute and far more unnerving.

Similar with the Asari. If the back of their head didn't look so much like smooth hair, if it freely wiggled around, moved, and maybe even helped in eating, the Asari would look a lot less attractive from behind.

[Dean_the_Young]

RobotNixon wrote...

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

And to those of you that say humans only need 3 fingers to use a tool,
try using an axe or some other form of large instrument after lopping your
ring and last fingers off and get back to me on that.

Why those two fingers? Why not the middle and pinky? If we removed the thumb, it wouldn't matter what other finger you picked. The location of the remaining fingers is important, obviously.

Even so, you can use tools with those three fingers. It's harder, less balanced, but possible. If the fingers were more balanced (centered) around the hand, as the Quarian and Turian fingers are, it would be much easier.

Turian and Quarian hands are more equivalent to three-fingered gloves... which, I assure you, it is very possible to use axes, levers, hoes, and door knobs and levers with. You could just as easily use computers, if the keyboards were designed with three finger size in mind.

[Saremei]

Humans and Asari = best pianists/guitarists/musicians in general.  Also better typists.  Just because you CAN do things with 3 fingers, doesn't mean it is as fast or efficient.  People state that the little pinky finger is useless. That is incorrect. It has many uses for many people and does indeed exert more force on things we grip. Having that one finger less would just mean on average a weaker grip.

Modifié par Saremei, 18 octobre 2010 - 10:16 .

[xI extremist Ix]

Pauravi wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

xI extremist Ix wrote...

Funny thing is that the gene for 4
fingers is actually dominant and 5 fingers is recessive, but over
eighty thousand years is has been removed from the gene pool.

80 thousand years ago, eh? So, what you really mean to say that "the gene for 4 fingers WAS dominant."

No, there is a difference between something being dominant, as in a synonym for "prevalent", or something being genetically dominant (as opposed to recessive).  They may as well be different words.

Genetically dominant means that, generally, if a child inherits a 4-finger gene from one parent and a 5-finger gene from the other, the child will have 4 fingers, not 5.  What he meant to convey was that, although the 4-finger gene is genetically dominant and the 5-finger gene is recessive, nobody actually has the 4-finger gene anymore.

Of course, I really don't know how correct he is about that, I was just trying to clarify what he meant.  80 thousand years seems much too recent to me, but I'm no expert.

My genetics professor told me, so it is on his shoulders. And 80,000 years was meant to convey current humans.

[Rip504]

For this post,I only need one finger... Yes my middle finger. Just for you,there it is. My bird just flying in the wind... Peace and chicken greaSe!

[GuardianAngel470]

Have you ever tried installing a heatsink fan 100mm in diameter into a computer case without taking the motherboard out? I would love to have only three fingers if it meant my hands would be thinner (in width). It would make tinkering so much easier.

[TcheQ]

You aren't going to like the Hanar sex scenes in ME3

[Harbinger of Hope]

I'm going to go ahead and necro this thread since I stumbled upon it via Google:

In my opinion, three doesn't make much sense. The perfect hand, in an evolutionary sense, would be the hands of the Elites in Halo. Two middle fingers and two fingers on opposite sides. It would give the ultimate dexterity and grip, and yet still have less fingers then ours. You can kinda see it in this picture.

[KeithJF82]

My theory on why so many races share common characteristics in ME is that they're all related to each other, because it's established that interstellar travel has been going on for tens/hundreds of millions of years. So, for example, quarians and turians (the two dextro species) share several features besides their amino acid chirality, like number of digits, bowed legs, clawed feet and the shape of their hips/waists. They may therefore share a common ancestor via panspermia (deliberate or accidental, like a pterodactyl-like creature being transposed from Rannoch to Palaven or a marsupial from Palaven to Rannoch) millions of years ago, making them about as closely related as humans and, say, birds.

[PsiFive]

Good idea but aren't salarians and krogan both levo and have three fingers?

[Marinemike69]

 Why does the human reaper have 3 eyes? Why did EA/ bioware give us a 3 color ending? Why can I only field 3 charecters in a mission when a normal fireteam consists of 4 people?

[Kylogram]

Tools are made to fit the user of the tool, it stands to reason that Quarian ergonomics would be geared towards their three-fingered hands. Effectively, no difference in usefulness between three and five fingers.