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[Archereon]

And I'm fine with that, I unlike most fans of either genre, can appreciate the face paced combat of a TPS, and the slower paced, though more thought out, combat of an RPG.

 But what I can't stand is that this game feels like a crappy gears of war clone (largely because it uses the same engine as gears, but doesn't have the same amount of effort put into it).  Come on BioWare, if your going to make a shooter, at least make it hold water against its competition!

Its not that I expected a company famed for its RPGs to make even a half decent shooter, and I know EA buys off critics to get 9/10 ratings on most of their big titles, but the fact that this company even tried to make one is infuriating.

Now I've seen a lot of threads arguing that Mass Effect is neither a pure shooter, or an RPG, but a Shooter RPG, and they have good points, but its still a loosing battle.  

Though ME is an RPG in the sense that the player takes on the role of a character in a story, GoW, Halo, and pretty much every shooter does that (putting you in the role of Master 

Before you say "Its different because Mass Effect gives you choices", realize that a lot of RPGs, especially older ones, had linear storylines, its not choices that makes an RPG in the sense most of the "whinners" think of it.


And finally, Shooter RPGs can't exist, trying to make one would be like dividing by zero, it doesn't work.  The harder you try to a perfect balance between genres, the more you'll have to ruin the game with compromises between two polar opposite game design models.  The only high quality game I can think of off hand that comes close to being a shooter RPG would be Fallout 3, which is primarily an RPG no matter how you try to spin it.

[jacksmedula1]

/yawn... go back to MW2. The door is ====>

[Skilled Seeker]

Ok whatever you say. Meanwhile the rest of us will continue having fun with this excellent game and anticipating the forthcoming DLC.



/thread

[Archereon]

Its amazing that RPG players need a TL;DR version...



Okay then...



TL;DR: Mass Effect two needs to make a choice: Shooter or RPG. Trying to combine them is like trying to mix oil and water by shaking them up: IT DOESN'T WORK!

[tommythetomcat]

Archereon wrote...

Its not that I expected a company famed for its RPGs to make even a half decent shooter, and I know EA buys off critics to get 9/10 ratings on most of their big titles, but the fact that this company even tried to make one is infuriating.

I'm sorry I couldn't get passed this part with out uncontrollable laughter.

Good job, 8/10

Modifié par tommythetomcat, 12 février 2010 - 03:55 .

[Dark Glasses]

Archereon wrote...
 Trying to combine them is like trying to mix oil and water by shaking them up: IT DOESN'T WORK!

Works for me

[Doug84]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

What is this thread? The hundredth thousandth?

/yawn

Yeah. Nerd rage thread #1023234565633129667

[Doug84]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Its amazing that RPG players need a TL;DR version...

Okay then...

TL;DR: Mass Effect two needs to make a choice: Shooter or RPG. Trying to combine them is like trying to mix oil and water by shaking them up: IT DOESN'T WORK!

I don't think you get it, let me illustrate our sentiment:

Oh god, that is awesome! Where'd you get that gif from?

[tommythetomcat]

Doug84 wrote...

Oh god, that is awesome! Where'd you get that gif from?

The internet most likely.

[nicodeemus327]

Archereon wrote...

And finally, Shooter RPGs can't exist, trying to make one would be like dividing by zero, it doesn't work.  The harder you try to a perfect balance between genres, the more you'll have to ruin the game with compromises between two polar opposite game design models.  The only high quality game I can think of off hand that comes close to being a shooter RPG would be Fallout 3, which is primarily an RPG no matter how you try to spin it.

Sure they can exist. Shooters and RPGs are genres. Genres are just loose categorizations.

Mass Effect 2 is an RPG and a TPS. You can argue about how much RPG and TPS the game contains as much as you want but it’s still categorized as an Action Role Playing Game.

[Doug84]

tommythetomcat wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

Oh god, that is awesome! Where'd you get that gif from?

The internet most likely.

Nnooooooo...really? 

I was actually looking for the website if their is one

[RoninOmega]

Im starting to get pissed off by the pessimist here...



look at me1, it WAS a shooter/rpg, it can work, it's not always your typical hack and slash or medieval type of game... me1 did just fine with the rpg elements, I don't see actual bioware's claims to this, just fans who don't like the optimistic side want to turn everyones opinion around.



Me2 had lost alot of its rpg elements, but a little dlc here and there and its perfect, because the story I can tell you, is so damn awesome



and seriously? Fallout 3 comes the closest? You didn't even explain me1's greatness in this topic... this thread is a fail.



I'm not comparing me1 to me2, im saying there is such things as a shooter rpg, if you can't think of it, then your a really idiotic pessimit... just look at me1, or fallout for that matter if you want.

[Archereon]

tommythetomcat wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Its not that I expected a company famed for its RPGs to make even a half decent shooter, and I know EA buys off critics to get 9/10 ratings on most of their big titles, but the fact that this company even tried to make one is infuriating.

I'm sorry I couldn't get passed this part with out uncontrollable laughter.

Good job, 8/10

Awww...

Last time it took 3 glorious pages of ignorant fanboy rage mixed with a few extremely elaborate explainations of why I was an "ignorant slob who must certainly live in his basement" and that everything I said was wrong until someone noticed the bolded test.  ("Of course, we'll be playing as C. Verner in ME3, so its not that big of a deal" or something like that.)

[Thompson family]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

What is this thread? The hundredth thousandth?

/yawn

Almost. I think the current thread count on this topic is 99,987.

Oops. Five more popped up whiile I was typing this.

[ToJKa1]

I honestly don't care what you want to call ME2, it's a great game, and does many things better than ME1.

[Grand_Commander13]

Archereon wrote...

Mass Effect two needs to make a choice: Shooter or RPG. Trying to combine them is like trying to mix oil and water by shaking them up: IT DOESN'T WORK!

Completely untrue: you can make an RPG with any combat resolution system you want, or no combat at all.  You could make an RPG where the primary gameplay was a puzzle game as long as you had the vital RPG elements: meaningful choices and character customization.

Neither Mass Effect has meaningful choices (but then KOTOR and Baldur's Gate 2 didn't really have them either and none of you say they aren't RPGs) but Dragon Age has started down that road.

[HijiriByakuren]

Where does it say that Role playing games have to have Time-stop/pause functions, or that an RPG must be turn based,etc?



I can role-play in IRL, even though we don't take turns on who that can move, or throw dices.

[RoninOmega]

Archereon wrote...

Its amazing that RPG players need a TL;DR version...

Okay then...

TL;DR: Mass Effect two needs to make a choice: Shooter or RPG. Trying to combine them is like trying to mix oil and water by shaking them up: IT DOESN'T WORK!

WOW JUST LOOK AT THE FIRST MASS EFFECT OOOKAY...

caps caps caps...  but seriously, it does work, just look at the first but your so stupid and blind to see, quit giving us your bs

Im going to completly ignore this topic from now on, it's lost all means of going here and is quite pointless, and I suggest you do the same, because this is gonna end up being a flame war(unless you like flame wars... of course then go straight ahead!)

Modifié par RoninOmega, 12 février 2010 - 04:01 .

[bjdbwea]

There's a certain kind of audience that doesn't care for genres. You got to get shooting stuff and fancy graphics. BioWare and EA have targeted that audience this time (with some success, as evident in some replies), and it seems to have paid off. "Seems" because the debate is still open as to how much they've made off that audience, and how many bought the game because they expected a good continuation of ME 1 and will look more closely next time.

[tommythetomcat]

You can stop posting the ruse is over.

[SithLordExarKun]

Do we need another one of these useless threads?

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 12 février 2010 - 04:13 .

[Archereon]

tommythetomcat wrote...

You can stop posting the ruse is over.

Its funny how long it takes people to notice highlighted text indicative of this.

[anon_04111]

I CAN'T PLAY VIDYA GAMES UNLESS THEY'RE PIGEONHOLED RIGHT!!!