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[GamerttBone]

The only thing I did not like about her is I could not get in her pants. Of the chars I could actually see their skin she is the one I wanted to hook up with the most.

[glen55]

I'm not surprised to get flamed, but I am surprised that nobody is seeing what I'm talking about. There's a lot of fake mood in the Samara intro, backed up by nothing but other mood. It's unsupported melodrama, not up to the usual high Bioware story-telling standards.

[matt654321]

"haven't done Samara's loyalty mission."

Fail. Most of each character's development comes from their loyalty mission.



*Watches opening cutscene only*

Man, Liara has absolutely no character development.

Modifié par matt654321, 12 février 2010 - 07:38 .

[Darnalak]

Heh, not only does this thread fail... it's in the wrong forum.

[Maloar]

glen55 wrote...

I'm not surprised to get flamed, but I am surprised that nobody is seeing what I'm talking about. There's a lot of fake mood in the Samara intro, backed up by nothing but other mood. It's unsupported melodrama, not up to the usual high Bioware story-telling standards.

That is probably because your complaint makes no sense.  What would you rather Bioware do to introduce her?
If I found out that some kind of super CIA agent was hanging around where I worked and someone turned up dead I'd be worried too.

Samara belongs to an Asari organization that is considered above the law, and highly deadly.  People will react to that.  It's not "fake mood" it's a natural reaction.

[exskeeny]

i take it you didn't like being introduced to nihilus in the first mass effect either then. it was pretty much the same. here's a badass spectre/justicar that we the player know nothing about.

[flem1]

Looy wrote...

glen55 wrote...
Now before I actually get started, let me admit I haven't played the whole game through yet, and in fact I haven't even done Samar's loyalty mission.  But I'm in enough to have a lot of unanswered questions: see below.

So, you are aware that answers to those questions may be further down the line, but rant anyway.

This.  Play the game.

edit -- yeah, also it should be in the storyline forum

Modifié par flem1, 12 février 2010 - 08:55 .

[BundokJon]

Personally, I like this as a narrative technique. It just seems more intriguing to learn about characters based on what others say about them, or form an expectation about them based on the reactions of others.

Did you have the same problem with Archangel? I played the game relatively spoiler free, so I was really building an opinion about him based on what many, many characters said about him before I found out who he really was.

Actually, I would say the same technique is used for Garrus, Jack, Samara, and Thane, and to a lesser extent, Mordin and Grunt. The game always lets you ask about these characters and talk to people about them before you meet them. It heightens anticipation, particularly Thane’s introduction.  I personally like Zaeed, but the way that character is introduced is by far the most straightforward.

Did you find Samara to be that different from the others?

[NovaZero]

Apparently, baseless complaints are often on the internet...

[EnvyXx]

glen55 wrote...

Just my opinion, but Bioware dropped the ball with the Samara character.

Now before I actually get started, let me admit I haven't played the whole game through yet, and in fact I haven't even done Samar's loyalty mission.  But I'm in enough to have a lot of unanswered questions: see below.

[begin rant]

I'm told I'm supposed to tremble in fear and awe because Samara is an "Asari justicar."  Woo-woo-woo, an Asari justicar. 

I known I'm supposed to be awed and a-feared because the volus and asari cop are awed and feared.  But what is this thing I'm supposed to be in awe of?  So far as I can tell, just a female Charlie Bronson type roaming around dispensing vigilante justice according to some "code" that I know absolutely nothing about.

How do you get to be an "Asari justicar?"  Are you born that way?  Is it something genetic you get from your parents?  Are justicars a species or just regular Asaris who pass a civil service exam?  Or do you go to justicar school and get a degree?  Or do you just wake up one morning and decide to be a justicar?  How many of 'em are there?  Are they organized?  Who made up the "code?"  What are its principles?  And basically, any other question you might decide to ask because you won't find any answers in the game, at least as far as I can tell.

Bioware decided to skip actually explaining any of this crap and instead just awe you out with attitude.  Doesn't work for me.  Makes it even worse that the voice actress always talks in these melo-dramatic "fear me for I am a justicar" tones.

p.s. You'd think they'd have something better than silicon for bad breast implants in The Future.

Psh, so you don't like Samara, doesn't mean bioware screwed up, hell Samara was one of my favorites

[SmilingMirror]

glen55 wrote...

I'm not surprised to get flamed, but I am surprised that nobody is seeing what I'm talking about. There's a lot of fake mood in the Samara intro, backed up by nothing but other mood. It's unsupported melodrama, not up to the usual high Bioware story-telling standards.

Samara is on a mission to kill one of her children because shes going around killing people due to her rare genetic disorder that causes them to kill whoever they have sex with.

She became a Justicar, an ancient Asari mystical vigilante and picked up a code steeped in tradition and black/white views to find and kill her daughter.

How is that for a story?

Modifié par SmilingMirror, 12 février 2010 - 10:21 .

[TobiasRieper]

glen55 wrote...

Just my opinion, but Bioware dropped the ball with the Samara character.

Now before I actually get started, let me admit I haven't played the whole game through yet, and in fact I haven't even done Samar's loyalty mission.  But I'm in enough to have a lot of unanswered questions: see below.

Stopped reading here.

OP, you are a douche and a tool.

And no, I'm not being mean. How about at least trying to know what you're talking about, before beginning rants. You sound like a Fox News 'journalist'.

[finc.loki]

glen55 wrote...

Just my opinion, but Bioware dropped the ball with the Samara character.

Now before I actually get started, let me admit I haven't played the whole game through yet, and in fact I haven't even done Samar's loyalty mission.  But I'm in enough to have a lot of unanswered questions: see below.

[begin rant]

I'm told I'm supposed to tremble in fear and awe because Samara is an "Asari justicar."  Woo-woo-woo, an Asari justicar. 

I known I'm supposed to be awed and a-feared because the volus and asari cop are awed and feared.  But what is this thing I'm supposed to be in awe of?  So far as I can tell, just a female Charlie Bronson type roaming around dispensing vigilante justice according to some "code" that I know absolutely nothing about.

How do you get to be an "Asari justicar?"  Are you born that way?  Is it something genetic you get from your parents?  Are justicars a species or just regular Asaris who pass a civil service exam?  Or do you go to justicar school and get a degree?  Or do you just wake up one morning and decide to be a justicar?  How many of 'em are there?  Are they organized?  Who made up the "code?"  What are its principles?  And basically, any other question you might decide to ask because you won't find any answers in the game, at least as far as I can tell.

Bioware decided to skip actually explaining any of this crap and instead just awe you out with attitude.  Doesn't work for me.  Makes it even worse that the voice actress always talks in these melo-dramatic "fear me for I am a justicar" tones.

p.s. You'd think they'd have something better than silicon for bad breast implants in The Future.

PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!111!!!!!111

You get answers about the "Justicars" and more or less everything else.

How the hell can you complain if you admittedly never even bothered to flesh out the story to begin with.

Shepard shouldn't be afraid anyways, he/she is the ultimate badass of the galaxy.
At least that is what everyone believes in the game, hence all these other deadly badasses follow him.

Shepard headbutts Krogans into submission and killed a reaper, to top it all off he has killed more badguy's than there is letters in the gigantic novel 'war and peace' by Leo Tolstoy.

The bastard was even brought back from the dead, you can't even kill him , he just come's back for more.

Modifié par finc.loki, 13 février 2010 - 04:10 .

[Conway044]

2/10

[khevan]

....really?

[Ryngard]

This thread is a fail.



Samara is a very well done character. You don't need to know everything about justicars to know they are badass and to be respected. Also, just because Bioware doesn't hand feed you EVERY single detail doesn't mean the character is halfassed.



Yeah, this thread sucks.

[Ryngard]

TobiasRieper wrote...
You sound like a Fox News 'journalist'.

Hehe "journalist" is right! I wish I could choose the renegade action every time one of those guys speaks.

[Daewan]

Just stopped by to say how much fail is involved here. Massive, ungodly amounts of fail. So OP never talked to her, but now complains about how boring she is. I'm mostly stunned by the fact that he STOPPED PLAYING to post this whiny ass **** instead of going down to the Starboard lounge to have a chat with her. Hell, go down there just to stare at her biotically enhanced boobs. I think OP has a wonderful career waiting with Fox News.

[jaff00]

................. Srsly.

[Cf UnrealKiller]

Actually play the game before asking questions ******. Pretty much all of your questions are answered through her loyalty mission and beyond, do that before making retarded posts. 

[Fishy]

Justicar are basicly Paladin .. They kill anything evil .. whetever their reason or motive.
They're zealot.

Modifié par Suprez30, 13 février 2010 - 09:39 .

[Gravity Bun]

I thought Samara explained herself well enough with the chats with Shepard in the observation lounge, anything else is cleared up by the codex or the Mass Effect Wiki.

[AddoExAtrum]

glen55 wrote...

I probably didn't explain myself very well, but it's not the fact that I don't know Samara's entire life-history or all the details of her profession right away that bothers me. It's the fact that Bioware seems to jump the story-telling part and go straight to the part where you're supposed to have some kind of dramatic reaction to the fact that she's a justicar. I'm going to want to hold that in abeyance until I know more about what in the heck they are.

It's kind of a trend in story-telling these days, especially in Hollywood. Build a story out of mood and insinuation, nothing else. Pretty weak sauce in my view, and even if Samara becomes the greatest, bestest-rounded character EVAR later on, her story still had quite a weak start, and that won't change.

To that extent, my post title is a bit over the top since my rant is really more about the introduction of Samara than about her overall characterishness, which is something I don't know enough yet to rant about, But you know how it goes with post titles on a busy forum like this; use something dramatic or find yourself on page 3 in 15 minutes. My apologies for that (but they may not be fully sincere because I would do it again.)

Ya know it could be you just didn't do all of the investigation options in the conversations to learn about her. I mean I did and yes my first playthrough took almost 25 hours because I actually watched all of the video introductions and such. I honestly had no questions about Samara after speaking with her on the ship for the 2nd time.

I mean she compares herself to a Knight-errant and explains her code has over 5000 things in it that detail everything she could ever possibly encounter and how she has to react to it. Just spend more time talking with your team after each mission and you will have MANY of your questions answered.

[Wild Still]

Wait 'till you finish the game, explore everything you can about her.



Then you will truly understand that she is a pretty pitiful effort at a character. Some characters are like a fine wine, the longer you spend with them the more you love them. Samara is like a dead fish, cold and gooey to start but if you spend lots of time with her all she does is start to stink.