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[knabbprime]

Basically, the OP said something kinda dumb, and people started insulting him. When the insults got mean, other people started insulting the original "insulters" if I may make up a word there. Now this thread has become a trollfest, and I am thoroughly entertained.

[Sarevok Anchev]

jaff00 wrote...

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

jaff00 wrote...

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

glen55 wrote...

Just my opinion, but Bioware dropped the ball with the Samara character.

Now before I actually get started, let me admit I haven't played the whole game through yet, and in fact I haven't even done Samar's loyalty mission.  But I'm in enough to have a lot of unanswered questions: see below.

[begin rant]

I'm told I'm supposed to tremble in fear and awe because Samara is an "Asari justicar."  Woo-woo-woo, an Asari justicar. 

I known I'm supposed to be awed and a-feared because the volus and asari cop are awed and feared.  But what is this thing I'm supposed to be in awe of?  So far as I can tell, just a female Charlie Bronson type roaming around dispensing vigilante justice according to some "code" that I know absolutely nothing about.

How do you get to be an "Asari justicar?"  Are you born that way?  Is it something genetic you get from your parents?  Are justicars a species or just regular Asaris who pass a civil service exam?  Or do you go to justicar school and get a degree?  Or do you just wake up one morning and decide to be a justicar?  How many of 'em are there?  Are they organized?  Who made up the "code?"  What are its principles?  And basically, any other question you might decide to ask because you won't find any answers in the game, at least as far as I can tell.

Bioware decided to skip actually explaining any of this crap and instead just awe you out with attitude.  Doesn't work for me.  Makes it even worse that the voice actress always talks in these melo-dramatic "fear me for I am a justicar" tones.

p.s. You'd think they'd have something better than silicon for bad breast implants in The Future.

Troll, here is a Tip for you: Buy yourself a Skill; its called Dialog/Conversation!
Most of the Questions she will tell you, when you earn her Trust and Friendship.

But ofc you arent interested in that, but keep omplaining about someting -like you said- that you even havent tried to find out. What kind of Bull**** is that?
"Oh i havent experienced this or that, but lets keep complaining and whining, till i get some Attention."

Samara has her Strengths and Weaknesses; she IS arrogant and following a harsh and strict Code.
She is also a Alien, that lived 1000 Years and suffered through many Experiences.
If you dont get along with her, dislike her Looks and dont want to learn anything about her, than she isnt your Type (of Companion) and so you can leaver her be.

An excellent tip.
How's about I give you some unsolicited advice in return: don't arbitrarily capitalize words. It looks dumb. Seriously.

1. By using Words like "unsolicited" or "arbitrarily" you dont appear serious, well mannered or intelligent
2. IF this was some Contra towards my Oppinion, then it was a weak "Argumentum ad Hominem".
If not, then read "3."

3. Troll...

a) If you consider the use of words like "unsolicited" and "arbitrarily" exclusively for those trying to come across as intelligent.. Wait, why am I arguing linguistics with a chump who capitalizes "Words", "Contra", "Opinion" and other random crap mid-sentence.
No, this wasn't "Contra towards your Oppinion". You'd think the fact that I didn't say anything regarding whatever you were trying to convey in your post would've tipped you off on that.
c) Troll-like behavior doesn't encompass pointing out the retarded use of capital letters in someone elses posts.
Seriously speaking, what's up with that?
1. It's wrong.
2. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
3. If you're German, then you should only be using caps on nouns - IN GERMAN.
4. You're still doing it wrong.
5. Did I mention it looks dumb?
6. It's so very wrong.

a) Again: "Argumentum ad Hominem". lol, you even tried to argue, but couldnt find a Weak-Spot, so you started
again with weak Slagging (even left your first Sentence unfinished).
b)Ofc you did NOT say anything against my Topicanswer; because you cant; thats why i added the real Reason
of your uncivilized Demeanor.
c)A Troll never sees him/herself as a Troll. You arent Trolling because of Criticizing my Capitalization, but without Connection to the Topic are displeasing my Eye with weak mannered, ill tempered Wording and doing this even publicly, instead of scribing me a Mail with Words like "im sorry, but i think your Capitalization isnt fitting in my imprinted Paradigm of the Way, how the English Language should be -and must be- presented." *Full Stop*

1./2./4./6. By using arbitrarily Words like "wrong" several Times you dont really get a rhetorical Upper Hand, but show your own Lack of
a) Lack in Describing your Reasoning (that m a y b e  exists behid your Trolling.... somewhere....)
Open-Mindedness and thus the Possibility of Discussing and Argumenting in a mannered Way

5. By unreflected use of such Words you are compromising yourself as a Troll...

[jaff00]

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

jaff00 wrote...

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

jaff00 wrote...

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

glen55 wrote...

Just my opinion, but Bioware dropped the ball with the Samara character.

Now before I actually get started, let me admit I haven't played the whole game through yet, and in fact I haven't even done Samar's loyalty mission.  But I'm in enough to have a lot of unanswered questions: see below.

[begin rant]

I'm told I'm supposed to tremble in fear and awe because Samara is an "Asari justicar."  Woo-woo-woo, an Asari justicar. 

I known I'm supposed to be awed and a-feared because the volus and asari cop are awed and feared.  But what is this thing I'm supposed to be in awe of?  So far as I can tell, just a female Charlie Bronson type roaming around dispensing vigilante justice according to some "code" that I know absolutely nothing about.

How do you get to be an "Asari justicar?"  Are you born that way?  Is it something genetic you get from your parents?  Are justicars a species or just regular Asaris who pass a civil service exam?  Or do you go to justicar school and get a degree?  Or do you just wake up one morning and decide to be a justicar?  How many of 'em are there?  Are they organized?  Who made up the "code?"  What are its principles?  And basically, any other question you might decide to ask because you won't find any answers in the game, at least as far as I can tell.

Bioware decided to skip actually explaining any of this crap and instead just awe you out with attitude.  Doesn't work for me.  Makes it even worse that the voice actress always talks in these melo-dramatic "fear me for I am a justicar" tones.

p.s. You'd think they'd have something better than silicon for bad breast implants in The Future.

Troll, here is a Tip for you: Buy yourself a Skill; its called Dialog/Conversation!
Most of the Questions she will tell you, when you earn her Trust and Friendship.

But ofc you arent interested in that, but keep omplaining about someting -like you said- that you even havent tried to find out. What kind of Bull**** is that?
"Oh i havent experienced this or that, but lets keep complaining and whining, till i get some Attention."

Samara has her Strengths and Weaknesses; she IS arrogant and following a harsh and strict Code.
She is also a Alien, that lived 1000 Years and suffered through many Experiences.
If you dont get along with her, dislike her Looks and dont want to learn anything about her, than she isnt your Type (of Companion) and so you can leaver her be.

An excellent tip.
How's about I give you some unsolicited advice in return: don't arbitrarily capitalize words. It looks dumb. Seriously.

1. By using Words like "unsolicited" or "arbitrarily" you dont appear serious, well mannered or intelligent
2. IF this was some Contra towards my Oppinion, then it was a weak "Argumentum ad Hominem".
If not, then read "3."

3. Troll...

a) If you consider the use of words like "unsolicited" and "arbitrarily" exclusively for those trying to come across as intelligent.. Wait, why am I arguing linguistics with a chump who capitalizes "Words", "Contra", "Opinion" and other random crap mid-sentence.
No, this wasn't "Contra towards your Oppinion". You'd think the fact that I didn't say anything regarding whatever you were trying to convey in your post would've tipped you off on that.
c) Troll-like behavior doesn't encompass pointing out the retarded use of capital letters in someone elses posts.
Seriously speaking, what's up with that?
1. It's wrong.
2. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
3. If you're German, then you should only be using caps on nouns - IN GERMAN.
4. You're still doing it wrong.
5. Did I mention it looks dumb?
6. It's so very wrong.

a) Again: "Argumentum ad Hominem". lol, you even tried to argue, but couldnt find a Weak-Spot, so you started
again with weak Slagging (even left your first Sentence unfinished).
b)Ofc you did NOT say anything against my Topicanswer; because you cant; thats why i added the real Reason
of your uncivilized Demeanor.
c)A Troll never sees him/herself as a Troll. You arent Trolling because of Criticizing my Capitalization, but without Connection to the Topic are displeasing my Eye with weak mannered, ill tempered Wording and doing this even publicly, instead of scribing me a Mail with Words like "im sorry, but i think your Capitalization isnt fitting in my imprinted Paradigm of the Way, how the English Language should be -and must be- presented." *Full Stop*

1./2./4./6. By using arbitrarily Words like "wrong" several Times you dont really get a rhetorical Upper Hand, but show your own Lack of
a) Lack in Describing your Reasoning (that m a y b e  exists behid your Trolling.... somewhere....)
Open-Mindedness and thus the Possibility of Discussing and Argumenting in a mannered Way

5. By unreflected use of such Words you are compromising yourself as a Troll...

ROFL.
Alright listen here buddy, I can see your exceedingly weak grasp of the english language is seriously impeding your efforts at understanding what's being said but allow me to spell it out for you one final time:
This "Argumentum ad Hominem" doesn't apply here since I wasn't refuting anything you said in your initial post. Judging by the first post I made in this thread, you should be able to tell I actually agree with you in that the topic starter is something of a halfwit in his whiney rant about Samara without even having gone through the goddamn dialogue options.
Ergo - DUH I didn't 'say anything against your topicanswer', because I don't DISAGREE with you on that. Jesus Christ.
Now let me just get something straight here.. I commented on your random, wrongful use of capital letters and that, according to you, makes me "Lacking in describing my reasoning" and "Lacking Open-Mindedness.", you say?
Guy, please tell me you were high at the time you posted this or something along the lines of tripping bat-**** crazy.

[Sarevok Anchev]

jaff00 wrote...
ROFL.
Alright listen here buddy, I can see your exceedingly weak grasp of the english language is seriously impeding your efforts at understanding what's being said but allow me to spell it out for you one final time:
This "Argumentum ad Hominem" doesn't apply here since I wasn't refuting anything you said in your initial post. Judging by the first post I made in this thread, you should be able to tell I actually agree with you in that the topic starter is something of a halfwit in his whiney rant about Samara without even having gone through the goddamn dialogue options.
Ergo - DUH I didn't 'say anything against your topicanswer', because I don't DISAGREE with you on that. Jesus Christ.
Now let me just get something straight here.. I commented on your random, wrongful use of capital letters and that, according to you, makes me "Lacking in describing my reasoning" and "Lacking Open-Mindedness.", you say?
Guy, please tell me you were high at the time you posted this or something along the lines of tripping bat-**** crazy.

ROFL (in your Case meaning: "Rude Offenses Following Laughter")
Your Answering in this Thread before me uninteresting; i stated right from the Beginning, that it was only a potential Possiblity, that you tried to "criticize" my Post through "ad Hominem". With rhetoric basic Knowledge you should have known, that i referred positively to the 3rd Point: Trolling.
Its even obvious that you have no Idea of Rhetorics, because till now you hadnt even ended one Sentence conferring to this Theme.
You are even showing this and the Fact of your own Denseness by Copypasting "Argumentum ad Hominem" from my Text, showing your Illetrism and your own Hypocricy, because you scribed it yourself capitalized!

Beside this Epic Fail you seem like a real Hypocrite, by abusing the Name of Jesus Christ as an Excuse for your missing Skills as a "Human", as what you seem to see yourself, by calling me a Kind of Animal...

That i am with every single Post of mine showing you your mental Clumsiness, sweet Child o' mine, and by thus enraging your little Neurons is seen by your increasing Gibberish of "ROFL's" and "DUH's" and slowly but almost exceedingly using Capitals yourselfs. I shouldnt even call the Use of hidden Cursing behind ****'s.

Like i said it once to you: There would have been no Problem in any formal Critics towards me (not even mattering about what, as long as its reasonable), as long as this Person -in this Case you- would have done this in a Manner of Respect and Decency. Your Words, Child, were rude and absolutely unnecessary; the Point is not about how many harsh Words are used, but what is the complete Context in the Sentences.
IF you shouldnt even done this intentionally, it shows even more your Lack of Rhetorics and thus making you the already called Hypocrite, by questioning my mental State before your own.

This Inhabitation of Context in your Type is, what disclosed you as a Troll.


If you dont believe me, i will give you an Excerpt, of another Forumite, who responded towards my Capitals:
"Btw: I love your Capitalization."
This is so simple, but holding so much rhetorical Background-Meaning, but so well (de-)scribed.
No negative Words, but showing some Irony and Portraiting that englishly unfitting Habit indirectly, giving me a
Sign of "this is not really adequate, but its lol!".

If you cant understand such Differences and still want to nourish such a Kind of Discommunication, then i cant help you. The only Reason why i even engaged in this "Battle" is, to try some Rhetorics on you and see if they work. But if there is no Point in taking this "Dialogue" unto the next and last Level, by which this Discourse can be settled, i have to behave like a Krogan, by following this Principle:
"The worst Punishment for an Enemy is, to be ignored."

[O_Chibi]

Guyz...please ! let that anger towards the Reapers instead at each other. We need it

To not be "Off Topic" :
Every Teammates you meet are pretty damn good, Samara included.
She's a powerful biotic with a great sens of duty.

Modifié par O_Chibi, 16 février 2010 - 10:03 .

[Sarevok Anchev]

O_Chibi wrote...

Guyz...please ! let that anger towards the Reapers instead at each other. We need it

^^
Well... Harbinger escaped, didnt he ?

[kaff33nd]

@Glen55 - To answer your original post, Justicars are akin to Knights Errant mixed with Samurai. They give up all worldly possessions and all family ties to pursue justice. Think of Samara as an Asari Commando who is now in her Matriarch stage of life. Matriarchs are feared because of their immense power and will, and commandos are feared because of their skill on the field of battle. When you couple this with the facty that she has a single-minded determination in hunting down evil, you get a fairly good impression of what a Justicar is and why they are feared. Also, you are correct in that BioWare didn't do a very good job of portraying her this way.



@everyone else - the reason this thread is a fail is because of you. Rather than either ignoring this thread, or ending it quickly by simply answering the OP's question, you just had to lay the hate down on this poor guy. And he then demonstrated how he is far more mature than you all by refusing to take your hate-bait. Honestly, 4 pages of "you suck", "this thread is a fail", "read the codex" or "play teh game n00b". It's times like this I'm embarrassed to be human.

[jaff00]

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

jaff00 wrote...
ROFL.
Alright listen here buddy, I can see your exceedingly weak grasp of the english language is seriously impeding your efforts at understanding what's being said but allow me to spell it out for you one final time:
This "Argumentum ad Hominem" doesn't apply here since I wasn't refuting anything you said in your initial post. Judging by the first post I made in this thread, you should be able to tell I actually agree with you in that the topic starter is something of a halfwit in his whiney rant about Samara without even having gone through the goddamn dialogue options.
Ergo - DUH I didn't 'say anything against your topicanswer', because I don't DISAGREE with you on that. Jesus Christ.
Now let me just get something straight here.. I commented on your random, wrongful use of capital letters and that, according to you, makes me "Lacking in describing my reasoning" and "Lacking Open-Mindedness.", you say?
Guy, please tell me you were high at the time you posted this or something along the lines of tripping bat-**** crazy.

ROFL (in your Case meaning: "Rude Offenses Following Laughter")
Your Answering in this Thread before me uninteresting; i stated right from the Beginning, that it was only a potential Possiblity, that you tried to "criticize" my Post through "ad Hominem". With rhetoric basic Knowledge you should have known, that i referred positively to the 3rd Point: Trolling.
Its even obvious that you have no Idea of Rhetorics, because till now you hadnt even ended one Sentence conferring to this Theme.
You are even showing this and the Fact of your own Denseness by Copypasting "Argumentum ad Hominem" from my Text, showing your Illetrism and your own Hypocricy, because you scribed it yourself capitalized!

Beside this Epic Fail you seem like a real Hypocrite, by abusing the Name of Jesus Christ as an Excuse for your missing Skills as a "Human", as what you seem to see yourself, by calling me a Kind of Animal...

That i am with every single Post of mine showing you your mental Clumsiness, sweet Child o' mine, and by thus enraging your little Neurons is seen by your increasing Gibberish of "ROFL's" and "DUH's" and slowly but almost exceedingly using Capitals yourselfs. I shouldnt even call the Use of hidden Cursing behind ****'s.

Like i said it once to you: There would have been no Problem in any formal Critics towards me (not even mattering about what, as long as its reasonable), as long as this Person -in this Case you- would have done this in a Manner of Respect and Decency. Your Words, Child, were rude and absolutely unnecessary; the Point is not about how many harsh Words are used, but what is the complete Context in the Sentences.
IF you shouldnt even done this intentionally, it shows even more your Lack of Rhetorics and thus making you the already called Hypocrite, by questioning my mental State before your own.

This Inhabitation of Context in your Type is, what disclosed you as a Troll.


If you dont believe me, i will give you an Excerpt, of another Forumite, who responded towards my Capitals:
"Btw: I love your Capitalization."
This is so simple, but holding so much rhetorical Background-Meaning, but so well (de-)scribed.
No negative Words, but showing some Irony and Portraiting that englishly unfitting Habit indirectly, giving me a
Sign of "this is not really adequate, but its lol!".

If you cant understand such Differences and still want to nourish such a Kind of Discommunication, then i cant help you. The only Reason why i even engaged in this "Battle" is, to try some Rhetorics on you and see if they work. But if there is no Point in taking this "Dialogue" unto the next and last Level, by which this Discourse can be settled, i have to behave like a Krogan, by following this Principle:
"The worst Punishment for an Enemy is, to be ignored."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
'Nuff said. Seriously speaking, these rancid mixtures you keep posting of random caps, non-existent words (seriously, illiterism isn't a word. I hope the irony of that isn't wasted on you ROFL), other words used in an entirely wrong context and phrases so goddamn bent not even babelfish could screw it up that badly ("This Inhabitation of Context in your Type is, what disclosed you as a Troll." .. Lord, give me strength), while thoroughly entertaining, are a fudgin eyesore. For the sake of some of the fragile little minds out and about, please consider using another online translator for your forum funtimes.