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[Darnalak]

Never understood adepts being accused of warpspamming anyway... Sentinels yea... but if an Adept isn't using Singularity, they're seriously missing the point.

[rumination888]

lockerlocke wrote...

We need an obligatory ADEPTS ARE WARPSPAM BORING NERFED poster!

ALL classES ARE WARP/REAVESPAM SQUAD BORING NERFED

Modifié par rumination888, 12 février 2010 - 08:40 .

[tvai]

Very smooth, indeed.



Really shows off the power of Samara's Reave.



One Question: Why max throw?

[FFLB]

Very nice vid, and pretty efficient gameplay. I liked your use of Heavy Push to send those Collectors flying. I think I only had one or two points in Push my entire playthrough, so it was only effective enough to send them over ledges. Looking forward to the next installments.

[Hyunsai]

Just LOL. I just finished reading the nearly 60 pages of the Adept whinning thread in the General Forum, and I find this video...



Hilarious...

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Darnalak wrote...

ROFL, I'm totally posting that link everytime someone whine's about Adepts. That was smooth... and yeah, you're a helluva lot better Adept than I was.

It is certainly a nice video. However, I have yet to see someone post adept insanity playthroughs that don't involve a lot of shooting on the part of the adept. Weapons and ammo are very much more powerful than biotics.

Show me playthroughs of adepts using only biotics moving as quickly as the combat classes in insanity.

[davidshooter]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Darnalak wrote...

ROFL, I'm totally posting that link everytime someone whine's about Adepts. That was smooth... and yeah, you're a helluva lot better Adept than I was.

It is certainly a nice video. However, I have yet to see someone post adept insanity playthroughs that don't involve a lot of shooting on the part of the adept. Weapons and ammo are very much more powerful than biotics.

Show me playthroughs of adepts using only biotics moving as quickly as the combat classes in insanity.

Why?

An Adept is meant to do both - I wouldn't use only biotics even if it was the best way through a level.  I have a sniper rifle, a sub machine gun, a hand cannon and a heavy weapon for a reason.

Modifié par davidshooter, 12 février 2010 - 10:24 .

[Trefecka]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Darnalak wrote...

ROFL, I'm totally posting that link everytime someone whine's about Adepts. That was smooth... and yeah, you're a helluva lot better Adept than I was.

It is certainly a nice video. However, I have yet to see someone post adept insanity playthroughs that don't involve a lot of shooting on the part of the adept. Weapons and ammo are very much more powerful than biotics.

Show me playthroughs of adepts using only biotics moving as quickly as the combat classes in insanity.

Cause not using all the available tools at your disposal is a silly concept especially if your aiming for speed.  And since you expect an adept to do a quick playthrough using only biotics, why don't you show us a combat class moving quickly in insanity using only weapons?  i.e. no Adrenaline rush, cloak, ammo powers.

On a more on-topic note, awesome video gr00grams. Another demonstration that adepts aren't weak, and how awesome biotics can be on insanity!

Modifié par Trefecka, 12 février 2010 - 10:25 .

[FFLB]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

It is certainly a nice video. However, I have yet to see someone post adept insanity playthroughs that don't involve a lot of shooting on the part of the adept. Weapons and ammo are very much more powerful than biotics.

Show me playthroughs of adepts using only biotics moving as quickly as the combat classes in insanity.

Wouldn't that be like taking abilities away from the combat classes and expecting them to make it through insanity at the same pace that they do while using abilities? Should a class that's crippled like that really be able to match up with classes that are not? If weapons were not meant to be a part of the Adept's repertoire, they wouldn't have had any.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

davidshooter wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Darnalak wrote...

ROFL, I'm totally posting that link everytime someone whine's about Adepts. That was smooth... and yeah, you're a helluva lot better Adept than I was.

It is certainly a nice video. However, I have yet to see someone post adept insanity playthroughs that don't involve a lot of shooting on the part of the adept. Weapons and ammo are very much more powerful than biotics.

Show me playthroughs of adepts using only biotics moving as quickly as the combat classes in insanity.

Why?

An Adept is meant to do both - I wouldn't use only biotics even if it was the best way through a level.  I have a sniper rifle, a sub machine gun, a hand cannon and a heavy weapon for a reason.

Because otherwise you are demonstrating the power of weapons and ammo, not of biotics.

The adept is supposedly capable of killing and controlling the battlefield without firing a shot according to the trailer.  Show me an adept doing that and moving as fast as a soldier class and I'll agree that biotics need no adjustment.

[FFLB]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...
Because otherwise you are demonstrating the power of weapons and ammo, not of biotics.

The adept is supposedly capable of killing and controlling the battlefield without firing a shot according to the trailer.  Show me an adept doing that and moving as fast as a soldier class and I'll agree that biotics need no adjustment.

Would it have been okay if they had said, "Except for insanity... unless you really want to?"

[davidshooter]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...



Because otherwise you are demonstrating the power of weapons and ammo, not of biotics.

t.

The video is demonstrating the power of the Adept class which is a combination of weapons and biotics.

My last post on this I don't want to derail this thread.

Modifié par davidshooter, 12 février 2010 - 10:42 .

[Trefecka]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Because otherwise you are demonstrating the power of weapons and ammo, not of biotics.

The adept is supposedly capable of killing and controlling the battlefield without firing a shot according to the trailer.  Show me an adept doing that and moving as fast as a soldier class and I'll agree that biotics need no adjustment.

I'm pretty sure it says the adepts are the best class for killing an enemy without firing a shot.  Not killing enemies with biotics are the way to go and you will never ever ever have to pull the trigger so those heatsinks are useless.

Besides, when have biotics EVER been good at killing?  Last time I checked, even in ME 1 where biotics were stronger they didn't really kill things.  Control yes, but kill?  Definitely not.

Besides, asking for a class built around control to kill as fast as a class designed solely for offense?  Thats a silly expectation to begin with.  Arguing that adepts can't do its job (control) properly is one thing, but expecting it to match the kill speed of an offensive oriented class (on the most difficult setting) is absolutely absurd.

Anyways this is really getting off-topic, so good work (again) on the video!

Modifié par Trefecka, 12 février 2010 - 10:44 .

[Average Gatsby]

Can I just say I walked over to the public forums to post my guide, and in about a minute, I got a massive flame. From an unregistered user of course. Anyway, what I'm really trying to say is, those forums are a dangerous place.

[Graunt]

gr00grams wrote...

Hey all.

I made this video of an all biotic group on the suicide mission.
I did this because so many seem confused that biotics are somehow weak, or... something.

I have part 1 done (will get the rest up as time permits), and hope you enjoy it;

www.youtube.com/watch

Cheers,

EDIT* There are no edits etc in the vid, as that just defeats the purpose.

I think you missed the entire argument in the biotics thread.  It has nothing to do with being able to beat the game and at what speed.  You played well, but you simply demostrated the fact that biotics just don't work by themselves before having to use another to strip away defenses first, hence "Adepts are Warpbots on Insanity".  You would not be doing this if your Shepard was the only biotic in the group because you would spend all of your time stripping defenses and that's all.  With the right group it's a non issue, but it doesn't change the fact that it still requires two cooldowns to use what should be able to work in one.

ROFL, I'm totally posting that link everytime someone whine's about Adepts.

Whoosh!  This video doesn't demonstrate a lone Adept, it shows a full biotic group.  BIG DIFFERENCE.

Never understood adepts being accused of warpspamming anyway...
Sentinels yea... but if an Adept isn't using Singularity, they're
seriously missing the point.

You clearly don't play on Insanity.  Singilarity does nothing but a very small snare and removes about 1/5th of a protection.  The only thing that's useful for is detonating Warp or stopping husk rushes because it does absolutely nothing to help out the rest of your squad in actually killing things.

Just LOL. I just finished reading the nearly 60 pages of the Adept
whinning thread in the General Forum, and I find this video...



Hilarious...

What's hilarious is that the OP is demonstrating exactly what people are whining about and none of you can even understand what you're watching.

The video is demonstrating the power of the Adept class which is a combination of weapons and biotics.

No it isn't.  It's a demonstration of having "Reavebots" or "Warpbots" stripping away defenses BEFORE you can even use pull, throw, showckwave, slam and singularity.

Modifié par Graunt, 12 février 2010 - 11:02 .

[rumination888]

Graunt wrote...
<snip>

I was waiting for someone to actually get what was going on in the vid.

When sinosleep posted his Vanguard vids, he didn't spend half his time relying on his squadmates to get through the encounter. He also posted a low level vid, showcasing that you don't need to rely on any other powers other than Charge + Shotgun to work.

Modifié par rumination888, 12 février 2010 - 11:03 .

[FFLB]

You guys act like the game isn't or shouldn't be a squad-based game. =|

[Graunt]

FFLB wrote...

You guys act like the game isn't or shouldn't be a squad-based game. =|

It's been said before a thousand times; you don't need to strip away defenses before you can shoot a gun, use Tactical Cloak, Tech Armor, Combat Drone or Adrenaline Rush.

[gr00grams]

@GrumpyOldWizard

@Graunt



Guys, give it up.

Basically, why don't you throw every argument you can, pick a part every piece of everything you can to keep reiterating and defending a lost argument.



If you watch the video, I use mostly biotics to kill.

I use Pull/Throw a ****eton.

Yeah, I use my group. They are there for a reason.

Yeah, I use guns, they aren't just decoration.



It's funny.

Even the tooltips state that talents like reave/warp etc are made to hit protections, but now doing that, using a smart group etc is bad?



Seriously, you just want biotics to work on everything, mod your damned ini file, or play on casual. It's the same damned thing.



People state biotics/adepts are weak.

People make videos showing proof they aren't.

People find more nitpick stuff to complain about.

People make more vids to again silence the angry mob.



Like what do you want?

[Graunt]

gr00grams wrote...

@GrumpyOldWizard
@Graunt

Guys, give it up.
Basically, why don't you throw every argument you can, pick a part every piece of everything you can to keep reiterating and defending a lost argument.

If you watch the video, I use mostly biotics to kill.
I use Pull/Throw a ****eton.
Yeah, I use my group. They are there for a reason.
Yeah, I use guns, they aren't just decoration.

It's funny.
Even the tooltips state that talents like reave/warp etc are made to hit protections, but now doing that, using a smart group etc is bad?

Seriously, you just want biotics to work on everything, mod your damned ini file, or play on casual. It's the same damned thing.

People state biotics/adepts are weak.
People make videos showing proof they aren't.
People find more nitpick stuff to complain about.
People make more vids to again silence the angry mob.

Like what do you want?

You're trying to "prove" something other than what we already know.  You can't use any of these abilities before stripping away defenses.  You obviously didn't even get what was being said in the Adept thread at all and you come here telling us to give it up because you used other characters to strip away defenses before finishing a health bar off (which incidentally seems to only take around 1/2 - 1/3 as much damage to finish as what a protection does).  Congrats on being oblivious.

[gr00grams]

You're trying to "prove" something other than what we already know. You can't use any of these abilities before stripping away defenses. You obviously didn't even get what was being said in the Adept thread at all and you come here telling us to give it up because you used other characters to strip away defenses before finishing a health bar off (which incidentally seems to only take around 1/2 - 1/3 as much damage to finish as what a protection does). Congrats on being oblivious.

Listen;

Warp and reave are listed as protection attacks.
They are by and far the best skills to use for any class to strip Barriers and Armor.
They simply deal more damage, pound for pound than anything else you can do.
Last I checked, they are biotics.

Protections are there for every class.
Biotics actually take them out faster than pretty much anything else, even if limited.
1 reave/warp will remove a barrier. That's one shot, unless it's a boss/sub boss.
1 reave/warp again will remove armor. That's one shot, unless it's a boss/sub boss.

It takes the equivalent without ammo skills like freakin' 4 magazines to do the same with an assault rifle.

Health is nowhere near as piddly as you make it, only to some certain creatures, namely harbingers and scions. They have no actual health.

Also, warp ammo is a biotic skill. It's often considered the best ammo skill too.

The only weakness biotics have is vs. shields. It would be unfair if they just dominated everything.

All argument aside, biotics regardless of WHO is using them, steamroll anything.
Like you say I used my group.
Yeah, I did.
ALL BIOTIC moves on them. Every single one.

Modifié par gr00grams, 12 février 2010 - 11:29 .

[imemoria]

warp warp warp warp....how boring

[VanTesla]

nice.

[gr00grams]

warp warp warp warp....how boring

Did you even watch the video?

Seriously, or are you being sarcastic?



If serious, please count the number of 'warp warp warps'

to pull, throw, singularity, reave, shockwave.



I seriously hope your post was a joke.



It seems like no matter what, people are going to argue that biotics suck.

There is no defense against this, they just simply refuse to acknowledge anything.

[tonnactus]

Graunt wrote...

It's been said before a thousand times; you don't need to strip away defenses before you can shoot a gun,

But if someone dont use the right ammo and weapon for different defences,he is an idiot.
Did someone whine that smgs are weak against armor without the right ammo type or dont want to use the heavy pistol?

Modifié par tonnactus, 13 février 2010 - 12:07 .