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[Ecael]

I'm quite sure that if you have 3 defending the door, only one is going to die.

If you take Tali with you to the Oculus and Legion is not there, Thane dies at the engine room and Garrus dies being impaled.

Also, that kind of skips 7 loyalty missions and saves the crew. You'll have to do two playthroughs to get Level 30, making your 2nd playthrough the kill-everyone playthrough.

Morinth and Jack without crew is tough. I might need to do a little more rearranging on this one...

Modifié par Ecael, 27 février 2010 - 06:10 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Just one comment:

It's not the "worst" ending. It's a combination of all renegade and moronish decisions. However, If you still will be able to easily defeat the Reapers in ME3, this playthrough is as good as any other, both for you as a player and in-game-wise.

[Ecael]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Just one comment:
It's not the "worst" ending. It's a combination of all renegade and moronish decisions. However, If you still will be able to easily defeat the Reapers in ME3, this playthrough is as good as any other, both for you as a player and in-game-wise.

Ah, Zulu, I was wondering when you'd comment on the inefficacy of the 'worst' playthrough.

We don't know for sure what kind of effect killing off most of the team will have yet, but I'm sure BioWare has this in mind.

[DasLeid]

Ecael wrote...

I'm quite sure that if you have 3 defending the door, only one is going to die.

If you take Tali with you to the Oculus and Legion is not there, Thane dies at the engine room and Garrus dies being impaled.

Also, that kind of skips 7 loyalty missions and saves the crew. You'll have to do two playthroughs to get Level 30, making your 2nd playthrough the kill-everyone playthrough.

Morinth and Jack without crew is tough. I might need to do a little more rearranging on this one...

I´ve the exp-bonus for playing the game again after beating it once and i began ME2 with lvl 3 because i was lvl 50+ in ME1. Is it still not possible in one playthrough?

I thought about it, i want the crew to survive . A empty ship doesn´t look that nice ^^

[DasLeid]

sry, doublepost

Modifié par DasLeid, 27 février 2010 - 06:38 .

[Ecael]

DasLeid wrote...

Ecael wrote...

I'm quite sure that if you have 3 defending the door, only one is going to die.

If you take Tali with you to the Oculus and Legion is not there, Thane dies at the engine room and Garrus dies being impaled.

Also, that kind of skips 7 loyalty missions and saves the crew. You'll have to do two playthroughs to get Level 30, making your 2nd playthrough the kill-everyone playthrough.

Morinth and Jack without crew is tough. I might need to do a little more rearranging on this one...

I´ve the exp-bonus for playing the game again after beating it once and i began ME2 with lvl 3 because i was lvl 50+ in ME1. Is it still not possible in one playthrough?

I thought about it, i want the crew to survive . A empty ship doesn´t look that nice ^^

You get the XP-bonus for anything you start - even a new import from ME1 will get +25% XP. You should be able to get Level 30 in one playthrough if you complete almost all of the missions (I think), since you're starting at Level 3.

Having the crew survive makes it a little easier. Still need time...

[Icematt12]

I don't understand the:
Intentionally gave the undercover reporter (Moirall) the wrong password so she'll die

I don't think I have ever seen this, and a searching on the Mass Effect wiki has brought no results.

Modifié par Icematt12, 27 février 2010 - 06:35 .

[DasLeid]

I guess "wrong password" means "no password". If she doesn´t recieve a password, she won't get alarmed.

Modifié par DasLeid, 27 février 2010 - 06:37 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Ecael wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Just one comment:
It's not the "worst" ending. It's a combination of all renegade and moronish decisions. However, If you still will be able to easily defeat the Reapers in ME3, this playthrough is as good as any other, both for you as a player and in-game-wise.

Ah, Zulu, I was wondering when you'd comment on the inefficacy of the 'worst' playthrough.

We don't know for sure what kind of effect killing off most of the team will have yet, but I'm sure BioWare has this in mind.

Edited my OP in the "Big choices" thread in respect to your effort.

[Ecael]

Icematt12 wrote...

I don't understand the:
Intentionally gave the undercover reporter (Moirall) the wrong password so she'll die

I don't think I have ever seen this, and a searching on the Mass Effect wiki has brought no results.

The Talk page mentions it.

"or go to the tech Horftin and go save the journalist by using the right code words."

Horftin is at the VIP Club of Omega when you do Samara's Loyalty quest. I believe he's dressed like Ambassador Udina.

[Zulu_DFA]

Icematt12 wrote...

I don't understand the:
Intentionally gave the undercover reporter (Moirall) the wrong password so she'll die

I don't think I have ever seen this, and a searching on the Mass Effect wiki has brought no results.

It's one thing you can do in the VIP section of Afterlife when trying to catch Morinth's attention. No XP, no paragon points. And no "Thank you" e-mail in ME3, as you act anonimously. My favorite quest.

[Ecael]

DasLeid wrote...

I guess "wrong password" means "no password". If she doesn´t recieve a password, she won't get alarmed.

It's somewhat implied that if you don't do the job for Horftin, he'll go over there and save her himself.

However, if you give the gang member the wrong password (TERMINAL -> TERMINAL) and he decides to save her himself, he's going to look ridiculously stupid being the second guy to ask about terminals. He'll probably get himself killed as well as Moirall.

[Icematt12]

Now I remember - Terminal and Eternity. I'm usually too busy dancing with an Asari or arranging free drinks for everyone.

Modifié par Icematt12, 27 février 2010 - 07:00 .

[eguaxpppympgg22q]

i wouldve thrown up just trying to kill them all you are one determined sonuvagun

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ecael wrote...

I'm quite sure that if you have 3 defending the door, only one is going to die.

If you take Tali with you to the Oculus and Legion is not there, Thane dies at the engine room and Garrus dies being impaled.

Also, that kind of skips 7 loyalty missions and saves the crew. You'll have to do two playthroughs to get Level 30, making your 2nd playthrough the kill-everyone playthrough.

Morinth and Jack without crew is tough. I might need to do a little more rearranging on this one...

Huh? I never said take Tali to fight Oculus which means Tali will die in engine room and Thane will get impaled.

Also, technically it's only 5 loyalty quests that the person is missing out on, Miranda's can be done but then you just side with Jack AFTER the fight. Tali's can actually be done without handing the evidence over if the person wanted, it doesn't really matter as she'll end up immolated anyway but they said they were playing an evil biotic, so might as well go the whole hog and hand the evidence over thus still completing the mission but not getting her loyalty. I've done a playthrough where I went into the suicide mission with 5 loyal people and 5 non-loyal (with no loyalty quest screw ups) and came out with just 3 loyal people, in that instance, Shepherd was 27 at the end of the suicide mission and I had barely touched the N7 missions. So with those missions and the upcoming DLC at the end of March, I think I'll be able to get him to 30.

Regarding door defence the 3 is only if they wanting to kill the crew. But even so it ain't exactly 3 of the toughest combat people in the team and they would be all non-loyal. Now of course if it was a potential issue, the simple thing would be to replace one of them with Zaeed and then do his loyalty quest after taking the paragon route to get the ability to leave him trapped. But I am sure I've seen video footage of someone having more than 1 death at the door.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 27 février 2010 - 07:22 .

[Ecael]

Sorry if my past wording is messed up, Ulrich, I'm trying to study for an exam while listening to the Mass Effect 2 OST and browsing the forums.

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Huh? I never said take Tali to fight Oculus which means Tali will die in engine room and Thane will get impaled.

Also, technically it's only 5 loyalty quests that the person is missing out on, Miranda's can be done but then you just side with Jack AFTER the fight. Tali's can actually be done without handing the evidence over if the person wanted, it doesn't really matter as she'll end up immolated anyway but they said they were playing an evil biotic, so might as well go the whole hog and hand the evidence over thus still completing the mission but not getting her loyalty. I've done a playthrough where I went into the suicide mission with 5 loyal people and 5 non-loyal (with no loyalty quest screw ups) and came out with just 3 loyal people, in that instance, Shepherd was 27 at the end of the suicide mission and I had barely touched the N7 missions. So with those missions and the upcoming DLC at the end of March, I think I'll be able to get him to 30.

Regarding door defence the 3 is only if they wanting to kill the crew. But even so it ain't exactly 3 of the toughest combat people in the team and they would be all non-loyal. Now of course if it was a potential issue, the simple thing would be to replace one of them with Zaeed and then do his loyalty quest after taking the paragon route to get the ability to leave him trapped. But I am sure I've seen video footage of someone having more than 1 death at the door.

What I meant was it's better to take Tali to fight the Oculus when Legion is with Cerberus so you'll get Thane and Garrus killed (emphasis on Garrus).

You're right, eventually we'll have enough DLC that it won't matter if you miss a few missions, but being able to complete all the missions is nice for completion's sake.

Also, I've had non-loyal Zaeed and non-loyal Samara survive holding the line while everyone else is dead, so I'm assuming direct control the Tali and Mordin duo are the best for wiping out your hold the line team.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Aahh yes, that makes sense.



Garrus impaled, Jacob in vent, Tali in squishy line



Got ya

[COLK-KiLL]

Ecael wrote...



(Updated 2/21 with a version that completes all 11 loyalty quests and eliminates Dr. Chakwas)

Trying to make Shepard the loneliest and most despised Commander in the galaxy to import for ME3, I killed off almost all possible squadmates after passing through the Omega-4 relay. Now the only remaining people on the Normandy SR-2 are a crippled pilot, a dying Drell, and an Asari succubus. I killed Zaeed through his loyalty quest after he survived the mission holding the door.

I had Thane and Morinth survive specifically because they are the least likely to show up or survive for Mass Effect 3.

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Final Survivors: Shepard, Joker, Thane, Morinth (Entire crew DEAD)
-----------------

Loyals: Jack, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Morinth, Legion
Non-loyals: Miranda, Tali, Zaeed
Normandy Upgrades: None

-Leave these quests for after the final mission:
   -Thane Recruitment
   -Thane Loyalty
   -Zaeed Loyalty
-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Hand over the evidence and traumatize Tali for Tali's loyalty mission
-After the final mission, recruit Thane, kill off Zaeed in his loyalty mission, then do Thane's loyalty mission

Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Morinth
Biotic - Miranda (had Grunt and Tali, Grunt dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Mordin (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Tali (both die)
Distraction Team - Morinth and Zaeed

Deaths:
Samara - Slain by Morinth
Jack - No Shield Upgrade, died by laser beam
Legion - No Armor Upgrade, incinerated
Garrus - No Weapon Upgrade, impaled
Jacob - Rocket to the face
Grunt - Taken by seeker swarm
Mordin - Shot while closing second door
Tali - Died at final boss
Miranda - Died at final boss
Zaeed - Left him to die in the fire he started

Also, because I didn't do specific missions or made the Renegade choices:
-Destroyed the genophage cure (could have left Maelon to complete it, that would have been worse)
-Destroyed the heretic geth (could have killed Legion and left the heretics to infect everyone)
-Cerberus has the Collector base, as well as data from N7: Lost Operative
-Started a romance with Liara in ME1, but gave her the wrong Observer target
-Started a romance with Jack in ME2, only to have her die by laser beam
-Refused to reinstate Spectre status
-Shot Conrad Verner in the foot, had Asari Merchant arrested (using Paragon option)
   -Then guilt tripped Conrad Verner by blaming him for it (using Intimidate option)
-Warned Sidonis at first to hear his sad story, and then backed off at the end to have Garrus put him out of his misery
-Had Jacob's father shoot himself in the head
-Traumatized Tali and caused chaos in the Migrant Fleet by using the evidence, with her father declared a traitor
   -Also suggested that they go to war anyway
-Personally shot the hostage of Thane's son and then had the son put in jail for it
-Forced the Batarian bartender (Forvan) to drink his own poison
-Intentionally gave the undercover reporter (Moirall) the wrong password so she'll die
-Told Patriarch in Omega to die like a real Krogan (and he does)
-Punched Westerlund News reporter (again)

Mass Effect 1 choices:
-Almost all killable NPCs dead (Helena Blake, Fist, Shiala, Major Kyle, Gianna, etc.)
-Feros colony and Noveria Peak 15 wiped out
-Rachni dead
-Wrex dead
-Original Council dead, Udina for Councilor
-Started a romance with Ashley and left her to die on Virmire
-Denied Tali data for pilgrimage
-Killed Dr. Saleon without Garrus' help
-Refused to help Emily Wong
-Sacrificed workers on Asteroid X57 to kill Balak
-Punched Westerlund News reporter

Not sure what else to add on top of that, other than letting Captain Kirrahe die on Virmire..

I'm hoping that some of these choices have a drastic effect on ME3, instead of just cameo appearances and extra 1 minute side quests (or lack thereof if you're Renegade).

If you let samara live instead she is out for blood to kill you with all that renegade youve built up in ME3 you could kill her possably

[epoch_]

mission successful.

[Karstedt]

You should post that save on masseffectsaves. I'd like to import it in ME3 and see what happens.

[Ecael]

Karstedt wrote...

You should post that save on masseffectsaves. I'd like to import it in ME3 and see what happens.

I'm probably blind when I look at that site, but I don't see a place where I can upload an ME2 save.

Plus, it seems different people want different squadmate duos to survive.

[Ecael]

epoch_ wrote...

mission successful.

I hope my guide helped you a bit.:innocent:

I see Thane is unloyal. Did you mess up his quest intentionally?

[epoch_]

Ecael wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

mission successful.

I hope my guide helped you a bit.:innocent:

I see Thane is unloyal. Did you mess up his quest intentionally?

nah, i just hadn't gotten around to it at that point.

[Stephenc13]

 more squadmates in ME3 for you

[Ecael]

epoch_ wrote...

nah, i just hadn't gotten around to it at that point.

Ah, ok. I'm hoping killing the corrupt Turian politician yourself has some major ramifications in ME3, but it's unlikely.

Kolyat: Oh my gods!
Shepard: Hostages only work if your enemy cares if they live.

Modifié par Ecael, 28 février 2010 - 03:56 .