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[GenericPlayer2]

I think its impressive the OP activated Grunt and Legion and got them killed. Would have thought it would have been easier to just leave them in the tank/sell to Cerberus.

[Shanra]

mundus66 wrote...

My gawd, i have a perfect Shepard basically opposite to this. I should try this though, i have a ME1 character who i haven't imported yet, since you can't really be space racist in this game. But i have basically everyone that can be killed in ME1 killed, never recruited Garrus, waited until after Virmire to recruit Liara, no romance etc.

My current playthrough was pretty much exactly like this.  I picked up Wrex for my infiltrator (I love Wrex, so its hard not to want him anyway) and he and Kaidan were my team.  I didn't recruit Garrus, and Liara came after everything, so he stood down and is alive.

It is hard to be space racist, but I killed all the aliens in the first game I could kill, and saved all the humans.  Full Renegade with a decent amount of paragon points.

The only alien I didn't kill was Chorban. XD I didn't figure out how you could do the scan the keeper quest to kill him until after I did it.

The only thing that really urked me was that, since I didn't recruit Garrus in ME1, I didn't know anything but his name, yet all the dialogue in ME2 acts as if he was with you, and knows all about the Normandy and such.

Oh well, he shall be dead by the end of this playthrough.

[Ecael]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

I think its impressive the OP activated Grunt and Legion and got them killed. Would have thought it would have been easier to just leave them in the tank/sell to Cerberus.

That gives them a higher chance of returning in ME3, since they're technically alive, just not activated.

EDIT: Also, I try to make sure I can still complete all 11 loyalty missions too, to get Level 30 in 1 playthrough.

Modifié par Ecael, 01 mars 2010 - 02:25 .

[Ecael]

DasLeid wrote...

Cool, thank you, i will try this and post the outcome.

Ack, I just found out that no one's been able to get Zaeed to die before the loyalty mission.

1. I would suggest avoiding recruiting Zaeed (don't go near him, it activates the cutscene) and then try recruiting him AFTER the final mission to kill him off.

2. If you already recruited Zaeed and you can't kill him before the Omega-4, leave him to hold the line with Mordin/Jack or Mordin/Morinth and hope Mordin still dies. Or just don't do Mordin's loyalty mission.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ecael wrote...

DasLeid wrote...

Cool, thank you, i will try this and post the outcome.

Ack, I just found out that no one's been able to get Zaeed to die before the loyalty mission.

1.
I would suggest avoiding recruiting Zaeed (don't go near him, it
activates the cutscene) and then try recruiting him AFTER the final
mission to kill him off.

2. If you already recruited Zaeed and
you can't kill him before the Omega-4, leave him to hold the line with
Mordin/Jack or Mordin/Morinth and hope Mordin still dies. Or just don't
do Mordin's loyalty mission.

Yup I'd actually go with the bottom option anyway.

Today
I decided to do some crazy test run using my previous attempt at 4
loyal everyone survives shep (which ended with me losing jack). This
time around, considering I couldn't lose anyone on the ship (as done
all upgrades). I killed Jacob off in vents, sent thane to his death as
escort, killed samara as diversion leader, killed garrus and grunt in
final battle and once again... out of a loyal miranda and tali with a
non loyal zaeed and jack... only jack died... soooo... I would guess
that Mordin definitly will be the only one to die going with point 2. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

I am now of the belief that only 1 person can die on door defence.

Course another option DasLeid could do is to not recruit Samara until after the suicide mission.

Basically just have loyal jack and non loyal miranda in final battle with zaeed and mordin holding the line.

That way, Zaeed in theory should still survive... coz he is that damn tough...

Then you go recruit samara, then go kill Zaeed off, then go kill samara off to be replaced by morinth

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 01 mars 2010 - 02:58 .

[Ecael]

(Side Note: What is with this forum and chopping people's paragraphs in half?)

Some people say that you can kill off the entire distraction team - but I wonder if that means having only one person hold the line by the end or having a duo like non-loyal Tali and non-loyal Mordin hold the line.

Then you go recruit samara, then go kill Zaeed off, then go kill samara off to be replaced by morinth

That's actually what I thought of first, but I forgot why I ended up changing my mind. One possible reason is that my New Game playthrough reached a grinding halt when I realized I didn't have enough Renegade in order to resist Morinth's initial seduction.

[Ecael]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

I am now of the belief that only 1 person can die on door defence.

Course another option DasLeid could do is to not recruit Samara until after the suicide mission.

Basically just have loyal jack and non loyal miranda in final battle with zaeed and mordin holding the line.

That way, Zaeed in theory should still survive... coz he is that damn tough...

Then you go recruit samara, then go kill Zaeed off, then go kill samara off to be replaced by morinth

I'll vouch for Zaeed being tough. He's a survivor, like Grunt and Garrus.

[Shanra]

Ecael, I saw your exact avatar in larger form over in the Penny Arcade forum. Coincidence?



Just curious!

[Ecael]

Shanra wrote...

Ecael, I saw your exact avatar in larger form over in the Penny Arcade forum. Coincidence?

Just curious!

I clipped my picture from the Mass Effect Wiki, so I'm sure there are others with the same avatar.

[Szemis]

I’ve been reading through this thread and wondering about a play through with the maximum amount of content done but with a dead Sheppard at the end. Would this theoretically work?

Character  -  Loyalty  -  Death
Zaeed  -  no  -  loyalty mission
Legion  -  no (side with Tali)  -  escort
Morinth/Samara  -  yes  -  Hold the Line
Tali  -  no (give evidence)  -  boss
Mordin  -  yes  -  second fire team
Garrus  -  yes  -  weapons not upgraded
Miranda  -  no (side with Jack)  -  boss
Grunt  -  yes  -  swarm
Jacob  -  yes  -  vents
Thane  -  yes  -  shield not upgrade
Jack  -  yes  -  armour not upgrade

Playable Section  -  Squad Selection
Oculus  -  Legion and Tali
Vents  -  Any
Swarms  -  Grunt and Tali
Boss  -  Miranda and Tali

Modifié par Szemis, 02 mars 2010 - 12:44 .

[Ecael]

Szemis wrote...

I’ve been reading through this thread and wondering about a play through with the maximum amount of content done but with a dead Sheppard at the end. Would this theoretically work?

Character  -  Loyalty  -  Death
Zaeed  -  no  -  loyalty mission
Legion  -  no (side with Tali)  -  escort
Morinth/Samara  -  yes  -  Hold the Line
Tali  -  no (give evidence)  -  boss
Mordin  -  yes  -  second fire team
Garrus  -  yes  -  weapons not upgraded
Miranda  -  no (side with Jack)  -  boss
Grunt  -  yes  -  swarm
Jacob  -  yes  -  vents
Thane  -  yes  -  shield not upgrade
Jack  -  yes  -  armour not upgrade

Playable Section  -  Squad Selection
Oculus  -  Legion and Tali
Vents  -  Any
Swarms  -  Grunt and Tali
Boss  -  Miranda and Tali

A few things that will not work:
1. As far as we know, Zaeed can only be killed after completing the final mission, which won't work if Shepard is dead.
2. The Tali/Legion argument does not appear unless both loyalties have been gained (that is, if you hand them the evidence, Tali will be unloyal and there will be no argument)
3. If you can force the game to keep only one squadmate alive, Shepard will still die. However, the game is more likely to force the survival of hold-the-line squadmates to give you 2 for you to live.

There is a past thread where someone was able to kill off everyone but Thane, and Shepard died anyway:
http://social.biowar...index/1322062/1

However, that was most likely achieved by completing the minimal amount of content.

Modifié par Ecael, 02 mars 2010 - 02:06 .

[Szemis]

So I guess it’s impossible for Shepard to die in the suicide mission if all the recruitment/ loyalty quests are done. To die in the suicide mission I guess I have to skip some loyalty missions to have non-loyal crew to kill at the end.

[Ecael]

Szemis wrote...

So I guess it’s impossible for Shepard to die in the suicide mission if all the recruitment/ loyalty quests are done. To die in the suicide mission I guess I have to skip some loyalty missions to have non-loyal crew to kill at the end.

Well, I haven't really thought it over yet, but I think there would be just too many loyals to be able to kill everyone off.

However, if there is some way to keep only one person alive...

[Kumekerion]

This is hilarious. I had thought about trying to get everyone killed on the suicide mission, but you went much further than that!

[Shanra]

Zaheed can die during the final mission. In one of the video's I posted a few pages back, it shows him dying when taking a shot to the stomach. I think you have to pick him for the distraction/fire team the 2nd time around.

I can't remember if he got taken by the swarms.

Modifié par Shanra, 03 mars 2010 - 04:04 .

[Ecael]

Szemis wrote...

So I guess it’s impossible for Shepard to die in the suicide mission if all the recruitment/loyalty quests are done. To die in the suicide mission I guess I have to skip some loyalty missions to have non-loyal crew to kill at the end.

Try this one out (this would be a LOT easier without the Zaeed DLC, but that's 10 of 11 loyalty missions):

All 11 loyalty missions completed.

-----------------
Final Survivors: *No one except Joker and the Illusive Man?*
-----------------

Loyals: Jack, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Jacob, Legion, Thane
Non-loyals: Miranda, Zaeed, Samara, Tali
Normandy Upgrades: None

-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Mess up Zaeed's loyalty by rescuing the workers but not Charm'ing his loyalty back
-Mess up Samara's loyalty by meeting with Morinth by picking all the wrong answers
-Mess up Tali's loyalty by handing over the evidence
-Take Tali and Legion with you to fight the Oculus (Thane and Garrus die)

Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Non-loyal Samara (bring Miranda and Grunt, Grunt dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Legion (dies)
Escort - Zaeed (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Samara (both die)
Distraction Team - Mordin, Tali

Deaths:
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser beam'd
Thane - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Garrus - No Weapon Upgrade, impaled
Jacob - Rocket to the face
Grunt - Taken by seeker swarm
Legion - Shot while closing second door
Zaeed - Died escorting the crew
*
Miranda - Died at final boss?
Samara - Died at final boss?
*
Mordin - Died holding the line?
Tali - Died holding the line?
*

The question marks above are the ones I'm not sure about. I don't know if Mordin and Tali will both die holding the line or if both will survive, or even if one dies (that means Shepard dies). Mordin is loyal from completing his loyalty mission, the others are not. The other possibilities might be:

Samara/Mordin at boss, Miranda/Tali as defense (Mordin survives, but is the only one. Shepard might die here)
Miranda/Mordin at boss, Samara/Tali as defense (Mordin survives, but is the only one. Shepard might die here)

EDIT (again): If anyone's able to try this and get this to work, I think I'll add this to the original post. *This* is the Worst Possible Playthrough with all missions complete, but not for importing in ME3.

Modifié par Ecael, 03 mars 2010 - 04:47 .

[Szemis]

-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Mess up Zaeed's loyalty by rescuing the workers but not Charm'ing his loyalty back
-Mess up Samara's loyalty by meeting with Morinth by picking all the wrong answers
-Mess up Tali's loyalty by handing over the evidence

I think this is the key. If you can do loyalty missions
without actually gaining loyalty it seems possible.

Modifié par Szemis, 03 mars 2010 - 04:42 .

[Ecael]

Szemis wrote...

-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Mess up Zaeed's loyalty by rescuing the workers but not Charm'ing his loyalty back
-Mess up Samara's loyalty by meeting with Morinth by picking all the wrong answers
-Mess up Tali's loyalty by handing over the evidence

I think this is the key. If you can do loyalty missions
without actually gaining loyalty it seems possible.

You can also mess up Thane's loyalty, but he's going to die regardless. It's also fun shooting the hostage instead of distracting Kolyat.

If Zaeed wasn't there, it would be a lot easier. You could take Miranda and Tali with you and have Mordin defend the line by himself (and die, of course). The playthrough hinges on one of the hold the line members dying.

Modifié par Ecael, 03 mars 2010 - 04:47 .

[Hellhawx]

This is interesting. I definetly want a lose as many teammates as possible playthrough. I didn't think of a universe's worst case though. I am working on a full renegade and kill as many as possible playthrough for ME1 right now. I could use that to go psycho in ME2. If anything, I want an import for ME3 where almost all of my teammates are gone. As for worst possible, not sure. Either way, I will use this for future use. Thanks!

[Ecael]

Hellhawx wrote...

This is interesting. I definetly want a lose as many teammates as possible playthrough. I didn't think of a universe's worst case though. I am working on a full renegade and kill as many as possible playthrough for ME1 right now. I could use that to go psycho in ME2. If anything, I want an import for ME3 where almost all of my teammates are gone. As for worst possible, not sure. Either way, I will use this for future use. Thanks!

You still didn't say which two squadmates you wanted to survive:whistle:

[Hellhawx]

Ecael wrote...

Hellhawx wrote...

This is interesting. I definetly want a lose as many teammates as possible playthrough. I didn't think of a universe's worst case though. I am working on a full renegade and kill as many as possible playthrough for ME1 right now. I could use that to go psycho in ME2. If anything, I want an import for ME3 where almost all of my teammates are gone. As for worst possible, not sure. Either way, I will use this for future use. Thanks!

You still didn't say which two squadmates you wanted to survive:whistle:

Oh, I haven't thought about it. I probably won't play the kill all teammates playthrough for at least a month. I'm just subscribed for future referance. I'm not sure what my goal will be; normal playthrough with as many squadmates dead as possible (to see the new squad in the next game) or a worst case scenario (killing as many people as possible burning all bridges).

[Never-Red]

For my fourth playthrough I plan on playing a paragon shep and having only Zaeed and Garrus live.

[Ecael]

Never-Red wrote...

For my fourth playthrough I plan on playing a paragon shep and having only Zaeed and Garrus live.

If you want 100% completion (all loyalty missions) as well, you'll probably have to save Dr. Chakwas at the very least (since you want Zaeed to survive).

All 11 loyalty missions completed.

-----------------
Final Survivors: Shepard, Joker, Zaeed, Garrus, Dr. Chakwas
-----------------

Loyals: Jack, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Jacob, Tali, Thane, Zaeed
Non-loyals: Miranda, Samara, Legion
Normandy Upgrades: None

-Make sure to do about 4 missions after crew gets abducted if you want them to die
-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Side with Tali during the Tali/Legion fight
-Mess up Samara's loyalty by meeting with Morinth and picking all the wrong answers
-Take Legion (but not Tali) to fight the Oculus

Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Non-loyal Samara, bring Miranda and Grunt (Grunt dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Mordin (dies)
Escort - Samara (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Legion (both die)
Distraction Team - Garrus, Zaeed

Deaths:
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser beam'd
Tali - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon Upgrade, impaled
Jacob - Rocket to the face
Grunt - Taken by seeker swarm
Samara - Dies escorting crew back
Mordin - Shot while closing second door
Miranda - Died at final boss
Legion - Died at final boss

Modifié par Ecael, 04 mars 2010 - 08:56 .

[Hellhawx]

I'm guessing that I want Garrus and Grunt to survive (I'd choose Tali, but I'm going to kill away all possible LIs that I can). It will be from a pure renegade ME1 import. Being able to reach 30 in the end would definetly be nice. I do want to recruit everyone too (including Zaeed because if I avoid him, he can still appear in ME3).

[Ecael]

Hellhawx wrote...

I'm guessing that I want Garrus and Grunt to survive (I'd choose Tali, but I'm going to kill away all possible LIs that I can). It will be from a pure renegade ME1 import. Being able to reach 30 in the end would definetly be nice. I do want to recruit everyone too (including Zaeed because if I avoid him, he can still appear in ME3).

Garrus and Grunt (without crew) can be done with all 11 loyalty missions completed.

-----------------
Final Survivors: Shepard, Joker, Grunt, Garrus, (Crew DEAD)
-----------------

Loyals: Jack, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Jacob, Legion, Thane
Non-loyals: Miranda, Samara, Tali, Zaeed
Normandy Upgrades: None

-Side with Jack during the Miranda/Jack fight
-Side with Legion during the Tali/Legion fight
-Mess up Samara's loyalty by meeting with Morinth and picking all the wrong answers
-Take Legion (but not Tali) to fight the Oculus
-After the Omega-4 mission, kill Zaeed with loyalty mission (save the workers, but leave him there when he gets trapped)

Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Non-loyal Samara, bring Miranda and Legion (Legion dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Mordin (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Miranda and Samara (both die)
Distraction Team - Garrus, Grunt, non-loyal Zaeed

Deaths:
Jack - No Armor Upgrade, laser beam'd
Tali - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapon Upgrade, impaled
Jacob - Rocket to the face
Legion - Taken by seeker swarm
Mordin - Shot while closing second door
Miranda - Died at final boss
Samara - Died at final boss
Zaeed - Dies in a fire

Modifié par Ecael, 05 mars 2010 - 06:14 .